How well or not well our sports programs do over the years

[hoya59er]

Read today the summary of our team's records this past year. And I have thought about this historically. Some of our sports programs are consistently good, others are consistently poor. Hmm, to me, it is who is our coach? Some are consistently good, others not so.

Is there any accountability on the coaches for performance? If not, why not? I am now suggesting that we fire the coaches, rather explain that improvement is needed and help them. If improvement does not occur, then the coach is replaced.

If we look at the historical performance of our men's and women's programs, it is pretty which coaches have consistently under-preformed. 

Should not our Athletic Director take responsibility to improve the programs that are consistently poor?!

[DFW HOYA]

May 28, 2024 13:08:43 GMT -5 hoya59er said:

Read today the summary of our team's records this past year. And I have thought about this historically. Some of our sports programs are consistently good, others are consistently poor. Hmm, to me, it is who is our coach? Some are consistently good, others not so.

Is there any accountability on the coaches for performance? If not, why not? I am now suggesting that we fire the coaches, rather explain that improvement is needed and help them. If improvement does not occur, then the coach is replaced. If we look at the historical performance of our men's and women's programs, it is pretty which coaches have consistently under-preformed. 

Should not our Athletic Director take responsibility to improve the programs that are consistently poor?!

"To whom much is given, much is expected." Not every sport at Georgetown is funded for excellence, and the criteria for these programs will differ from that in basketball or track; for example: do they compete with the resources provided? Do students excel in the classroom? Do students stay out of trouble?

There's a direct correlation between success and scholarship support across teams: the NCAA-level teams at the bottom of the ledger tend to be those with no scholarship aid competing against full scholarship programs: football is the most notable example competing against six fully funded, 63-schoalrship programs with budgets two to three times its size. It's not the only one, however, at a school where five of six student athletes do not have an athletic scholarship and 21 of 30 teams do not even play on campus.

Let's start with field hockey (1-17). Because Cooper Field is not an acceptable turf to play the sport and Georgetown doesn't have an alternate place for field hockey to play, this year's team found a home at Towson University, 63 miles from campus, from which to travel for practice and games. It lost all 10 games there and that wears on a team physically and mentally. The average salary for a Georgetown assistant women's coach ranges from $40-60K and there's not much close to campus where you can get an apartment or pay down a car on that. How does a head coach attract the best staff when they cannot even offer them a parking space on campus? Yet, 18 of 25 players scored a 3.5 or higher GPA. By that measurement, was this season a failure or merely punching above their weight class?

Another example is softball (17-33). They played its first 19 games on the road this season and play home games at at Fort Dupont in Southeast DC after many years at Guy Mason Park, a public softball field off Wisconsin Avenue. They finished 1-12 in a scholarship Big East, but maintain a 100% graduation rate.

Some sports hit a goldmine with a new coach (e.g. baseball), but usually the rotation of coaches doesn't solve the fundamental equation in sports where Georgetown can struggle to compete. Too often, Georgetown cannot provide these sports the wherewithal to dramatically improve when one sport consumes a third of the budget. Yes, a run to the regionals every few years for basketball would open up some money (less the pending NCAA distribution settlement) to help raise the tide, but Georgetown still isn't building a field hockey facility or a softball stadium anytime soon. (Ironically, a softball field was in the plans for the Southwest Quad 20 years ago and cut for costs.)

Coaches do the best with what they have, or leave to find a better offer elsewhere.

[thedragon]

Will be interesting if they can keep E. Thompson long term. Seems like the kind of coach you can build a program around - but unlikely Georgetown will make the needed investments to keep him.

[RusskyHoya]

Lots to talk about on this topic - not that a lot of it hasn't already been said already, with me and DFW being two of the biggest offenders contributors in terms of word count - but for starters, let's do a little bit of a data levelset.

The Learfield Director's Cup standings for this year are still being finalized with the men's and women's College World Series and outdoor track and the like, so we'll go with 2023 and back.

2022-23: #67/305 (#1 in the Big East, leading UConn at #79)
2021-22: #70/295 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Villanova at #54)
2020-21: #63/293 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #84. In their last year in the AAC, UConn was at #78)
2019-20: No Sportsball
2018-19: #70/295 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #76)
2017-18: #93/292 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Villanova at #66)
2016-17: #73/296 (#1 in the Big East, leading Providence at #79)
2015-16: #72/298 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #74)
2014-15: #59/293 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Providence at #54)
2013-14: #66/297 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #68)

--- The Great Big East Schism ---

2012-13: #63/294 (#4 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #9, Louisville at #38, and Syracuse at #39)
2011-12: #63/282 (#6 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #17, Louisville at #32, West Virginia at #45, Syracuse at #50, and UConn at #61)
2010-11: #55/284 (#6 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #18, Louisville at #34, West Virginia at #40, UConn at #44, and Villanova at #50)

--- Lee Reed named AD

2009-10: #70/285 (#8 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #27, West Virginia at #37, Louisville at #41, Villanova at #51, Syracuse at #57, UConn at #62, and St. John's at #67)
2008-09: #84/278 (#7 in the Big East , trailing Notre Dame at #21, Louisville at #32, West Virginia at #50, UConn at #52, Villanova at #56, and Syracuse at #63)
2007-08: #77/280 (#5 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #21, West Virginia at #30, Louisville at #32, and UConn at #49)
2006-07: #76/288 (#7 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #22, Louisville at #28, Rutgers at #54, West Virginia at #57, Pittsburgh at #71, and Providence at #75)
2005-06: #68/top 101 listed (#5 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #6, West Virginia at #52, Louisville at #54, and UConn at #58)

[hoyarooter]

May 29, 2024 12:50:29 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Lots to talk about on this topic - not that a lot of it hasn't already been said already, with me and DFW being two of the biggest offenders contributors in terms of word count - but for starters, let's do a little bit of a data levelset.

The Learfield Director's Cup standings for this year are still being finalized with the men's and women's College World Series and outdoor track and the like, so we'll go with 2023 and back.

2022-23: #67/305 (#1 in the Big East, leading UConn at #79)
2021-22: #70/295 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Villanova at #54)
2020-21: #63/293 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #84. In their last year in the AAC, UConn was at #78)
2019-20: No Sportsball
2018-19: #70/295 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #76)
2017-18: #93/292 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Villanova at #66)
2016-17: #73/296 (#1 in the Big East, leading Providence at #79)
2015-16: #72/298 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #74)
2014-15: #59/293 (#2 in the Big East, trailing Providence at #54)
2013-14: #66/297 (#1 in the Big East, leading Villanova at #68)

--- The Great Big East Schism ---

2012-13: #63/294 (#4 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #9, Louisville at #38, and Syracuse at #39)
2011-12: #63/282 (#6 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #17, Louisville at #32, West Virginia at #45, Syracuse at #50, and UConn at #61)
2010-11: #55/284 (#6 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #18, Louisville at #34, West Virginia at #40, UConn at #44, and Villanova at #50)

--- Lee Reed named AD

2009-10: #70/285 (#8 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #27, West Virginia at #37, Louisville at #41, Villanova at #51, Syracuse at #57, UConn at #62, and St. John's at #67)
2008-09: #84/278 (#7 in the Big East , trailing Notre Dame at #21, Louisville at #32, West Virginia at #50, UConn at #52, Villanova at #56, and Syracuse at #63)
2007-08: #77/280 (#5 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #21, West Virginia at #30, Louisville at #32, and UConn at #49)
2006-07: #76/288 (#7 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #22, Louisville at #28, Rutgers at #54, West Virginia at #57, Pittsburgh at #71, and Providence at #75)
2005-06: #68/top 101 listed (#5 in the Big East, trailing Notre Dame at #6, West Virginia at #52, Louisville at #54, and UConn at #58)

It seems to me that this indicates that all things considered, we are doing quite well with the resources available to us.

[RusskyHoya]

Well, if we can't have the DeGioiaDome, I guess we can at least have the DeGioiaBoat

[Elvado]

Does that boat only go in circles?