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Post by prhoya on May 21, 2024 14:45:36 GMT -5
No one is biting at the NIL$ he wants. Cooley should offer him: (1) 50% of what he made last year with the possibility of getting to 100% if Supreme reaches certain defined defensive goals, plus (2) no guaranteed playing time. It’s a win-win: Cook gets $ and another free degree, while Cooley gets to continue the search for the starting center, with bird in hand. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 21, 2024 21:30:26 GMT -5
No one is biting at the NIL$ he wants. Cooley should offer him: (1) 50% of what he made last year with the possibility of getting to 100% if Supreme reaches certain defined defensive goals, plus (2) no guaranteed playing time. It’s a win-win: Cook gets $ and another free degree, while Cooley gets to continue the search for the starting center, with bird in hand. Do we know what Cook is asking for on NIL? Or is this speculation? |
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Post by prhoya on May 21, 2024 21:39:49 GMT -5
No one is biting at the NIL$ he wants. Cooley should offer him: (1) 50% of what he made last year with the possibility of getting to 100% if Supreme reaches certain defined defensive goals, plus (2) no guaranteed playing time. It’s a win-win: Cook gets $ and another free degree, while Cooley gets to continue the search for the starting center, with bird in hand. Do we know what Cook is asking for on NIL? Or is this speculation? We don’t know what he’s asking now, but the point is no team is biting, for now. My point is that GU/Collective should offer him 50% of what he received this year + scholarship and make him earn the rest. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 21, 2024 22:14:06 GMT -5
Do we know what Cook is asking for on NIL? Or is this speculation? We don’t know what he’s asking now, but the point is no team is biting, for now. My point is that GU/Collective should offer him 50% of what he received this year + scholarship and make him earn the rest. NIL incentives are an interesting concept. I wonder if anybody has actually done a deal like that before. Of course, we have no idea how much he got last year...it could be a pretty low amount considering the current market. |
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Post by prhoya on May 21, 2024 22:32:28 GMT -5
We don’t know what he’s asking now, but the point is no team is biting, for now. My point is that GU/Collective should offer him 50% of what he received this year + scholarship and make him earn the rest. NIL incentives are an interesting concept. I wonder if anybody has actually done a deal like that before. Of course, we have no idea how much he got last year...it could be a pretty low amount considering the current market. Or he might’ve been the highest earner last year. I can speculate like you. Again, that was not my point. |
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Post by hoyaguy on May 21, 2024 23:10:17 GMT -5
We don’t know what he’s asking now, but the point is no team is biting, for now. My point is that GU/Collective should offer him 50% of what he received this year + scholarship and make him earn the rest. NIL incentives are an interesting concept. I wonder if anybody has actually done a deal like that before. Of course, we have no idea how much he got last year...it could be a pretty low amount considering the current market. I would think maybe for winning a conference or advancing for a certain round. Would not shock me if the Uconn collective kicked in money for "bonuses" to retain players after winning the title. I think it can be useful as a way to "out bid" another team since a 500k deal vs 500k+200K in potential bonuses are not the same. I am all in favor of a team collective bonus if they out rebound the other team, and maybe for assisting, but I think other stats based bonuses could lead to bad behaviors such as scoring bonus (which works well in soccer for forwards but that's because scoring is not as spread around in that). |
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Jun 8, 2024 14:21:16 GMT -5
I think Cooley should try get cook back at least he can score and rebounding is good. With shot blocking better inside he can backup up peevey. And fielder back up sober or the transfer from Kentucky I can’t remember his name. Wouldn’t hurt at all 1 more year be a positive move I think.
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Post by kettlehill on Jun 8, 2024 17:28:47 GMT -5
No one is biting at the NIL$ he wants. Cooley should offer him: (1) 50% of what he made last year with the possibility of getting to 100% if Supreme reaches certain defined defensive goals, plus (2) no guaranteed playing time. It’s a win-win: Cook gets $ and another free degree, while Cooley gets to continue the search for the starting center, with bird in hand. That offer would not and should not fly, IMHO. I have no idea what Cook got last year, but to offer him a 50% cut is an insult. Whatever his defensive flaws, his offensive numbers were above what was expected from a Fairfield player moving to the nasty Big East. Did Epps get a 50% cut because of his defensive flaws? Did Cooley? Come on. We don't know what the team dynamics were and if Cook would even consider a return, but considering where we are right now- with the Transfer whiffs- Cook looks like the best option out there. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 8, 2024 18:29:17 GMT -5
No one is biting at the NIL$ he wants. Cooley should offer him: (1) 50% of what he made last year with the possibility of getting to 100% if Supreme reaches certain defined defensive goals, plus (2) no guaranteed playing time. It’s a win-win: Cook gets $ and another free degree, while Cooley gets to continue the search for the starting center, with bird in hand. That offer would not and should not fly, IMHO. I have no idea what Cook got last year, but to offer him a 50% cut is an insult. Whatever his defensive flaws, his offensive numbers were above what was expected from a Fairfield player moving to the nasty Big East. Did Epps get a 50% cut because of his defensive flaws? Did Cooley? Come on. We don't know what the team dynamics were and if Cook would even consider a return, but considering where we are right now- with the Transfer whiffs- Cook looks like the best option out there. I wrote that on May 21. That was then, this is now. Now, we’re in no position to negotiate down. Actually, we’re not in a good position to negotiate, period. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2024 13:44:54 GMT -5
That offer would not and should not fly, IMHO. I have no idea what Cook got last year, but to offer him a 50% cut is an insult. Whatever his defensive flaws, his offensive numbers were above what was expected from a Fairfield player moving to the nasty Big East. Did Epps get a 50% cut because of his defensive flaws? Did Cooley? Come on. We don't know what the team dynamics were and if Cook would even consider a return, but considering where we are right now- with the Transfer whiffs- Cook looks like the best option out there. I wrote that on May 21. That was then, this is now. Now, we’re in no position to negotiate down. Actually, we’re not in a good position to negotiate, period. At this point, I don't see a reason to hesitate in bringing him back. He's not a good defensive player, and I would tell him he should not expect to play more than 10 minutes a game, but as a depth piece, he is useful. I cannot imagine Supreme Court has suitors banging down his door with high NIL money. It seems like this is one of those instances where it is in the incentive of both parties to meet somewhere in the middle. As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. |
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Post by tgo on Jun 9, 2024 15:04:12 GMT -5
I wrote that on May 21. That was then, this is now. Now, we’re in no position to negotiate down. Actually, we’re not in a good position to negotiate, period. At this point, I don't see a reason to hesitate in bringing him back. He's not a good defensive player, and I would tell him he should not expect to play more than 10 minutes a game, but as a depth piece, he is useful. I cannot imagine Supreme Court has suitors banging down his door with high NIL money. It seems like this is one of those instances where it is in the incentive of both parties to meet somewhere in the middle. As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. i don't think this tells you anything about the NIL $ available. Having money in the bank does not require you to throw it around irresponsibly and to acquiesce to any demand that a player makes. By your logic, if Cook thinks he deserves $1M next year, then we should give it to him. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 9, 2024 15:14:44 GMT -5
At this point, I don't see a reason to hesitate in bringing him back. He's not a good defensive player, and I would tell him he should not expect to play more than 10 minutes a game, but as a depth piece, he is useful. I cannot imagine Supreme Court has suitors banging down his door with high NIL money. It seems like this is one of those instances where it is in the incentive of both parties to meet somewhere in the middle. As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. i don't think this tells you anything about the NIL $ available. Having money in the bank does not require you to throw it around irresponsibly and to acquiesce to any demand that a player makes. By your logic, if Cook thinks he deserves $1M next year, then we should give it to him. I said nothing about "the NIL $ available." I said it "dispels the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money." Last year a lot of people were critical about the fact that Cooley did not use NIL resources (which may not have even existed) to get more players for our roster. My response at the time was (a) we may not have even had the NIL money at all and (b) even if we did, it did not make sense to spend it on guys who did not deserve it. I think same thing applies now even though there were false reports about us being a top 5 NIL program. If Cooley had ample NIL resources like Kentucky or Arkansas, he could probably come to an agreement with Cook (and if that required giving others even more again, it wouldn't be a problem if we had endless NIL), but he has not. I agree that if Cook thinks he deserves $1 million we should tell him no. I assume whatever we have said no to is likely under $1 million. At some point, though the "need" is greater because we don't have a backup center or necessary depth. And on Cook's side, there clearly aren't a ton of high level programs breaking down his door and shoving NIL in his hands because if they were, his recruitment would not still be wide open, as was recently reported. My guess is that Cook wants to come back and Cooley wants him to come back, and the NIL money is likely the only problem at this point. Because Cook coming back seems to be in everyone's interests right now. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 9, 2024 17:36:14 GMT -5
Read that Cook is spending the weekend in Oregon. He isn’t acting like someone who intends to return.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 11, 2024 15:59:31 GMT -5
As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. Why? No one said GU can "freely spend". You like assumptions, so: What if Cooley needs all or most of the available NIL$ for a summer target? What if Cooley will manage some of the promised 2024-25 NIL$ and use it instead for the 2025-26 season to sign top recruits like the ones who he missed on? Cook doesn't deserve NIL$ that would take away from another signing or two this year... and you know how I feel about the need for another center and the risk of a short roster. I want Cook back without negatively impacting this year's roster. If no other school bites now at the level he wants, then Cook will have to wait until later in the summer to see how things (and Cooley) shake out. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 11, 2024 17:15:23 GMT -5
As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. Why? No one said GU can "freely spend". You like assumptions, so: What if Cooley needs all or most of the available NIL$ for a summer target? What if Cooley will manage some of the promised 2024-25 NIL$ and use it instead for the 2025-26 season to sign top recruits like the ones who he missed on? Cook doesn't deserve NIL$ that would take away from another signing or two this year... and you know how I feel about the need for another center and the risk of a short roster. I want Cook back without negatively impacting this year's roster. If no other school bites now at the level he wants, then Cook will have to wait until later in the summer to see how things (and Cooley) shake out. As far as nobody saying Georgetown could freely spend, there were posters last offseason (and this offseason too) complaining that we had "top 5 NIL" or ample NIL resources, and yet we left open a bunch of roster spots. In fact, I made the point last year in response to those arguments that we likely did not have the money to freely spend. So I agree with you. As far as Cooley "saving" and using NIL money for 2025-2026, that's very possible. I said in another post that if Cook's NIL request was unreasonable, we should not take him back. But if it's somewhat reasonable, then I think it would make sense. After all, you're the one who kept blaming Cooley for not filling the roster last year. And it's not like there are many centers out there available. But I agree, if part of the waiting game is allowing Cook to survey his options to see that big bucks aren't there, then waiting might make sense. But just like Cook may be more desperate in August, Georgetown may be more desperate too. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 11, 2024 17:24:30 GMT -5
As an aside, this would seem to dispel the idea that Georgetown can just freely spend NIL money, otherwise, they'd just give Cook what he wants. Why? No one said GU can "freely spend". You like assumptions, so: What if Cooley needs all or most of the available NIL$ for a summer target? What if Cooley will manage some of the promised 2024-25 NIL$ and use it instead for the 2025-26 season to sign top recruits like the ones who he missed on? Cook doesn't deserve NIL$ that would take away from another signing or two this year... and you know how I feel about the need for another center and the risk of a short roster. I want Cook back without negatively impacting this year's roster. If no other school bites now at the level he wants, then Cook will have to wait until later in the summer to see how things (and Cooley) shake out. Any dollars to Cook would have no bearing on offers to 25-26 kids. I think it was a bad look by Cooley to speak about Cooks NIL ask, speaking on it publicly hurts the kids leverage. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 11, 2024 17:36:22 GMT -5
Any dollars to Cook would have no bearing on offers to 25-26 kids. Depends on the NIL$ source. I think it was a bad look by Cooley to speak about Cooks NIL ask, speaking on it publicly hurts the kids leverage. Agree. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 11, 2024 17:38:12 GMT -5
Why? No one said GU can "freely spend". You like assumptions, so: What if Cooley needs all or most of the available NIL$ for a summer target? What if Cooley will manage some of the promised 2024-25 NIL$ and use it instead for the 2025-26 season to sign top recruits like the ones who he missed on? Cook doesn't deserve NIL$ that would take away from another signing or two this year... and you know how I feel about the need for another center and the risk of a short roster. I want Cook back without negatively impacting this year's roster. If no other school bites now at the level he wants, then Cook will have to wait until later in the summer to see how things (and Cooley) shake out. As far as nobody saying Georgetown could freely spend, there were posters last offseason (and this offseason too) complaining that we had "top 5 NIL" or ample NIL resources, and yet we left open a bunch of roster spots. In fact, I made the point last year in response to those arguments that we likely did not have the money to freely spend. So I agree with you. As far as Cooley "saving" and using NIL money for 2025-2026, that's very possible. I said in another post that if Cook's NIL request was unreasonable, we should not take him back. But if it's somewhat reasonable, then I think it would make sense. After all, you're the one who kept blaming Cooley for not filling the roster last year. And it's not like there are many centers out there available. But I agree, if part of the waiting game is allowing Cook to survey his options to see that big bucks aren't there, then waiting might make sense. But just like Cook may be more desperate in August, Georgetown may be more desperate too. We will see what happens re: Cook et al. before the start of the school year. I would start a prediction thread, but I don't want to jinx it. |
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Post by calhoya on Jun 11, 2024 18:31:57 GMT -5
I am not understanding the argument for Cook returning. I guess if your thinking of Cook as a body for practice purposes or a few minutes of reserve duty each game off the bench, then it makes sense, but frankly how much time would he get and would you want him to get that time at the expense of developing other players like Sorber and Fielder who have more than one year of eligibility left? I am not anti-Cook and loved his effort and energy last year, but all agree he was an undersized post with very limited range on the offensive end and a liability on defense. To what end would his return serve in terms of developing the program? Additionally, why would he want to come back with only 1 year of eligibility remaining if he was not going to get major minutes on the floor.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jun 11, 2024 20:48:49 GMT -5
Your bring him back because we need to add somebody, the pickings are getting slim, and he’s a kid you already know and who already has some familiarity with the staff, their systems, and the school. I’ve said before that I’d like to have him on as the fourth man in a three-man rotation, so to speak. Don’t really want him as the third man in a three-man rotation, but if the only other alternative is a two-man rotation, I’d take it.
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