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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2024 7:01:41 GMT -5
UVA Fraudaliers lay an egg. Stole a spot from more deserving teams.
The NCAA selection committee should be investigated.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 20, 2024 7:38:02 GMT -5
I’m with Professor, committee should be investigated and Val Ackerman needs to show more leadership, can’t just sit in her Manhattan office and assume the rest of the country thinks like her.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 20, 2024 7:41:51 GMT -5
I’m with Professor, committee should be investigated and Val Ackerman needs to show more leadership, can’t just sit in her Manhattan office and assume the rest of the country thinks like her. How much is a NCAAT unit worth this year?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2024 9:03:29 GMT -5
These corrupt clowns (Save Barry Collier) need to be investigated so this never happens again. There needs to be more transparency and an actual criteria for making the tournament. As Danny Hurley says, the committee is just playing a shell game. Why is NET not used for making the tournament? It’s only going to get worse next year with the Big 10 expanding to 18 teams and SEC 16 teams. “NCAA Tournament Selection Committee The 2023-2024 Selection Committee (the year the term is up is in parenthesis): CHARLES MCCLELLAND (2024) – SWAC Commissioner (Chairperson) JAMIE POLLARD (2024) – Iowa State Athletic Director SCOTT BARNES (2024) – Oregon State Athletic Director BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Vice-Chairperson) MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesota Athletic Director GREG BYRNE (2026) – Alabama Athletic Director KEITH GILL (2026) – Sun Belt Commissioner BARRY COLLIER (2026) – Butler Athletic Director MARTIN NEWTON (2027) – Samford Athletic Director TOM WISTRCILL (2027) – Big Sky Commissioner ARTHUR JOHNSON (2028) – Temple Athletic Director RENEE BAUMGARTNER (2028) – Santa Clara Athletic Director” hoopshd.com/ncaa-selection-committee/
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2024 10:00:06 GMT -5
These corrupt clowns (Save Barry Collier) need to be investigated so this never happens again. There needs to be more transparency and an actual criteria for making the tournament. As Danny Hurley says, the committee is just playing a shell game. Why is NET not used for making the tournament? It’s only going to get worse next year with the Big 10 expanding to 18 teams and SEC 16 teams. “NCAA Tournament Selection Committee The 2023-2024 Selection Committee (the year the term is up is in parenthesis): CHARLES MCCLELLAND (2024) – SWAC Commissioner (Chairperson) JAMIE POLLARD (2024) – Iowa State Athletic Director SCOTT BARNES (2024) – Oregon State Athletic Director BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Vice-Chairperson) MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesota Athletic Director GREG BYRNE (2026) – Alabama Athletic Director KEITH GILL (2026) – Sun Belt Commissioner BARRY COLLIER (2026) – Butler Athletic Director MARTIN NEWTON (2027) – Samford Athletic Director TOM WISTRCILL (2027) – Big Sky Commissioner ARTHUR JOHNSON (2028) – Temple Athletic Director RENEE BAUMGARTNER (2028) – Santa Clara Athletic Director” hoopshd.com/ncaa-selection-committee/I would still like to know how "transparency" is going to change any of this. You think that the committee results would look a lot different if there is "transparency"? And what does that even mean in this context? Again, I agree the Big East got screwed. But, I think the idea that there's some sort of conspiracy afoot is probably a stretch.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 20, 2024 11:30:33 GMT -5
Agree there is no conspiracy. The NCAA has simply proven once again that it is the worst run organization in the country.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2024 12:46:16 GMT -5
These corrupt clowns (Save Barry Collier) need to be investigated so this never happens again. There needs to be more transparency and an actual criteria for making the tournament. As Danny Hurley says, the committee is just playing a shell game. Why is NET not used for making the tournament? It’s only going to get worse next year with the Big 10 expanding to 18 teams and SEC 16 teams. “NCAA Tournament Selection Committee The 2023-2024 Selection Committee (the year the term is up is in parenthesis): CHARLES MCCLELLAND (2024) – SWAC Commissioner (Chairperson) JAMIE POLLARD (2024) – Iowa State Athletic Director SCOTT BARNES (2024) – Oregon State Athletic Director BUBBA CUNNINGHAM (2025) – North Carolina Athletic Director (Vice-Chairperson) MARK COYLE (2026) – Minnesota Athletic Director GREG BYRNE (2026) – Alabama Athletic Director KEITH GILL (2026) – Sun Belt Commissioner BARRY COLLIER (2026) – Butler Athletic Director MARTIN NEWTON (2027) – Samford Athletic Director TOM WISTRCILL (2027) – Big Sky Commissioner ARTHUR JOHNSON (2028) – Temple Athletic Director RENEE BAUMGARTNER (2028) – Santa Clara Athletic Director” hoopshd.com/ncaa-selection-committee/I would still like to know how "transparency" is going to change any of this. You think that the committee results would look a lot different if there is "transparency"? And what does that even mean in this context? Again, I agree the Big East got screwed. But, I think the idea that there's some sort of conspiracy afoot is probably a stretch. Nobody said there was a conspiracy so you can put your tinfoil hat away. What we do have is the possibility of corruption or bias. Reports are saying that the ACC schools were lobbying certain committee members to get UVA in to the tournament after they were upset by NC State. We also have situations where Dr Charles McLelland’s Texas A&M made it off the bubble, former Boise St AD Mark Coyles Boise state made it off the, and multiple committee members with connection to the ACC, Big 10 and SEC thoughout their careers. There needs to be transparency and a set criteria for getting team into the tournament. As it is the NET is not used by the selection committee to get teams into the tournament. As Danny Hurley says, the Committee is just playing a shell game
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 20, 2024 12:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 20, 2024 16:36:12 GMT -5
The answer is to get even more subjective. Good plan.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 20, 2024 16:52:33 GMT -5
There are not enough hours in the day to do that. You’ve got to watch, what, 100 teams that play 35 games that last 2 hours? You could spend every waking moment all season and you’re not even halfway there, and that’s assuming you can cut yourself down to 100 teams.
St. John’s was ranked 26 in KenPom and 32 in NET, the analytics had them in. It’s the weird rule-of-thumb things that passed for analytics forty years ago like “Quad 1 wins” and “loss in Quad 3” that kept them out.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 20, 2024 18:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 21, 2024 8:56:11 GMT -5
There are not enough hours in the day to do that. You’ve got to watch, what, 100 teams that play 35 games that last 2 hours? You could spend every waking moment all season and you’re not even halfway there, and that’s assuming you can cut yourself down to 100 teams. St. John’s was ranked 26 in KenPom and 32 in NET, the analytics had them in. It’s the weird rule-of-thumb things that passed for analytics forty years ago like “Quad 1 wins” and “loss in Quad 3” that kept them out. I agree with this. The committee needs to have some kind of objective (if not perfect) numbers in front of them. I also think that the "cross-tabs" give them an excuse to include or exclude whichever teams they want. If they want a team, they can cherry pick the metrics they like (good Q1 record!), and likewise if they don't (bad on the road!). Every bubble team is going to have some highs and some warts, so the committee can always point to something to justify inclusion or exclusion if they're allowed to slice and dice what are supposed to be comprehensive rankings into subsets. I'd prefer that they just look at the overall rank across several different models without all of the "but how did they do against this arbitrary subset" cross-tabs. One thing I'd like to see them consider, if they don't already, is how a team fared against "teams under consideration," i.e., all of the teams receiving at-larges or on the bubble. (I know that the NCAA used this factor for selecting the hockey tournament back when I followed college hockey 20 years ago--not sure if they still do). Instead of comparing teams based on how they did in the amorphous category of "Q1 games," compare how they did against each other and their peers. That would really emphasize facts like "Dayton didn't beat a single team in the field." And it would eliminate the effect of having an opponent moving one or two spots in the NET moving your games against them into a different quad, and thus making your breakdown look very different based on a minor change in the actual rankings.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2024 10:33:06 GMT -5
Committee Member Mark Coyle’s (former Boise St AD) Boise State flames out of the tournament.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2024 18:06:23 GMT -5
Yale pulls off the upset against Auburn.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2024 18:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by cas92 on Mar 22, 2024 18:42:08 GMT -5
Yale pulls off the upset against Auburn. SEC 1-5 so far in first weekend of this year's tournament; doesn't lend support to the league's commissioner Sankey making pronouncements as such - “We are giving away highly competitive opportunities for automatic qualifiers (from smaller leagues),” Sankey told ESPN, “and I think that pressure is going to rise as we have more competitive basketball leagues at the top end because of expansion.” But unsurprising (embarrassment) given that he's a Syracuse (Master's) grad.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2024 18:44:02 GMT -5
Yale pulls off the upset against Auburn. SEC 1-5 so far in first weekend of this year's tournament; doesn't lend support to the league's commissioner Sankey making pronouncements as such - “We are giving away highly competitive opportunities for automatic qualifiers (from smaller leagues),” Sankey told ESPN, “and I think that pressure is going to rise as we have more competitive basketball leagues at the top end because of expansion.” But unsurprising (embarrassment) given that he's a Syracuse (Master's) grad. I agree with you, but the SEC will just whine more because they'll be annoyed they all got bumped out. The tournament is great because of the automatic qualifiers. It gives the tournament nationwide coverage, any Division 1 school in any conference has a chance, and the excitement and buzz around the first weekend of the tournament is always about the upsets. Holding a tournament with all SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC schools would be boring.
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Post by cas92 on Mar 22, 2024 18:51:14 GMT -5
SEC 1-5 so far in first weekend of this year's tournament; doesn't lend support to the league's commissioner Sankey making pronouncements as such - “We are giving away highly competitive opportunities for automatic qualifiers (from smaller leagues),” Sankey told ESPN, “and I think that pressure is going to rise as we have more competitive basketball leagues at the top end because of expansion.” But unsurprising (embarrassment) given that he's a Syracuse (Master's) grad. I agree with you, but the SEC will just whine more because they'll be annoyed they all got bumped out. The tournament is great because of the automatic qualifiers. It gives the tournament nationwide coverage, any Division 1 school in any conference has a chance, and the excitement and buzz around the first weekend of the tournament is always about the upsets. Holding a tournament with all SEC/Big 10/Big 12/ACC schools would be boring. Concur - for all of the bluster about the alleged vaunted superiority of the SEC this season, there are now only 3 teams left pending tonight's contests. That's a glaring indictment against manufacturing a tournament comprised solely of the so-called power conferences and as per your assessment, would rob much of the excitement and nervous energy associated w/ the first weekend.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 22, 2024 18:56:15 GMT -5
Marquette sure plays attractive and flowing offensive basketball. What a contrast to the garbage we have had to watch.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 22, 2024 19:00:16 GMT -5
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