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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 13:45:30 GMT -5
You really think Mack + Peavy + Stewart is the best transfer class in the conference? Based on what evidence? Also, what do "2/3 more open spots" do for us? It's literally considered the best in the conference right now WITHOUT Stewart: 247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferteamrankings/and would only go up with him. There are of course a lot of moving parts, other teams adding more guys, etc. But it's a totally defensible position. I forgot that McNeely was a freshman recruit and not a transfer. Would still take the St. Mary's guard and the Michigan big of UCONN's over Mack and Peavy. But as you said, a lot of moving parts still. And obviously these rankings don't include losses to transfer, so guys like Styles, Cook and Brumbaugh aren't included as losses for us. So when you consider what UCONN lost to the portal compared to us, plus what each team added, the "net" of UCONN in the portal is certainly higher than us. But again, long way to go, agreed.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 30, 2024 13:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 13:53:17 GMT -5
Sean Stewart's brother is a sophomore at Howard: hubison.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/miles-stewart/7762This one's a done deal. Given the kid's background/family, Georgetown's a perfect fit for him. Hopefully we don't have to expend too much in NIL, his family is obviously well-to-do. It would be great if we can save on Stewart and still have enough to bring in Cliff O. If we do that, I'll get over the fact that we will have 3 guys that are all 6'9", 220-230 pounds, none of whom can guard a true high major 5 man.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 30, 2024 13:54:37 GMT -5
With the amount of attrition across the conference... Having the conference's leading returning scorer AND the best xfer class (w/ Stewart) AND the 2nd best HS class AND 2/3 more open spots seems like a good place to be. You really think Mack + Peavy + Stewart is the best transfer class in the conference? Based on what evidence? Also, what do "2/3 more open spots" do for us? You could use the transfer portal rankings, which have us currently number 1 without Stewart.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 30, 2024 13:56:22 GMT -5
Hoyaboya: "The people advocating for Stewart seem to be more in love with the fact that we can get him rather than recognizing he doesn't solve any of our actual personnel needs. And by bringing in Stewart at this late stage, what does that tell Fielder and Sorber?" Read this carefully folks. Boya is not disparaging Stewart or his 5 stars or his athleticism ( I too am impressed that he broke Zion's Duke record for standing vertical ). Duplication. At some point I would hope Cooley would show some loyalty to someone other than Epps- like the players he recruited e.g. Sorber and Fielder out of High School. A one year, experienced, defensive Big is what this team needs, not a three year duplication of what we have.If Stewart signs with the Hoyas, how are we all going to feel if Fielder hits the portal shortly thereafter? There's 80 minutes at the 4/5 position. WITH Stewart you'd have 3 guys Sorber/Fielder/Stewart. Stewart played 5 minutes a game last year. Let's say he plays 25 for Hoyas. That's 55 minutes remaining for Fielder/Sorber. Asking a sophomore and frosh to play 30 and 25 minutes respectively is a REACH as is. So adding Stewart alone effects Sorber and Fielder ZERO. It's easy to argue in fact that adding a 4th capable big that plays 15 minutes a game wis still needed. Asking Sorber/Fielder to cover more than 40 minutes a game combined feels foolish and doesn't hamper their progression in the least.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 30, 2024 13:57:23 GMT -5
Sean Stewart's brother is a sophomore at Howard: hubison.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/miles-stewart/7762This one's a done deal. Given the kid's background/family, Georgetown's a perfect fit for him. Hopefully we don't have to expend too much in NIL, his family is obviously well-to-do. It would be great if we can save on Stewart and still have enough to bring in Cliff O. If we do that, I'll get over the fact that we will have 3 guys that are all 6'9", 220-230 pounds, none of whom can guard a true high major 5 man. Good find, Sherlock Boya
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 30, 2024 14:04:44 GMT -5
I forgot that McNeely was a freshman recruit and not a transfer. Would still take the St. Mary's guard and the Michigan big of UCONN's over Mack and Peavy. But as you said, a lot of moving parts still. And obviously these rankings don't include losses to transfer, so guys like Styles, Cook and Brumbaugh aren't included as losses for us. So when you consider what UCONN lost to the portal compared to us, plus what each team added, the "net" of UCONN in the portal is certainly higher than us. But again, long way to go, agreed. Cliff is going to Bama, barring some last minute change. But, yes, UCONN has a higher average ranking bc of those 2 players. With Stewart, Georgetown would have one of the top PG transfers on the market and a guy 1 year removed from being a top 25 recruit. Not sure why losses is being accounted for but Georgetown lost guys that were ranked well below the players that are coming in.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 30, 2024 14:26:00 GMT -5
I forgot that McNeely was a freshman recruit and not a transfer. Would still take the St. Mary's guard and the Michigan big of UCONN's over Mack and Peavy. But as you said, a lot of moving parts still. And obviously these rankings don't include losses to transfer, so guys like Styles, Cook and Brumbaugh aren't included as losses for us. So when you consider what UCONN lost to the portal compared to us, plus what each team added, the "net" of UCONN in the portal is certainly higher than us. But again, long way to go, agreed. Yes, but UConn is losing way more to the draft than we are too. It sounds like what you're trying to do is compare each teams net gains, ie. retained core + freshman recruits + incoming transfers - graduation/draft - outgoing transfers which is potentially a worthwhile exercise, but it's a little more time consuming and not really worth it to do until everything is settled in another month or two. What we do know is that our incoming transfer class is currently regarded as the best in the conference (and that does not include Stewart) and that our incoming freshman class was ranked by 247 as second best in the conference (behind only UConn) and that ranking does not include Drew McKenna who was a top 100 recruit before he reclassed. All of the caveats apply--more movement is still to come, there are outbound transfers and graduations and not just inbound/incoming, and rankings are just projections. But I'd say that having a top 2 incoming freshman class and a top 2 incoming transfer class are pretty strong results given our recent on-court production. Hell, being in the Top 5 in the conference would be pretty good given how far down we are right now. It's unreasonable to expect us to be recruiting with UConn at the moment when they're coming off back to back titles and their program sells itself right now. But if we can out-recruit (freshman and portal) the middle of the conference teams, we'll make incremental progress. And if we do so year-after-year, we will climb out of the basement and back to relevance. Once we're relevant again, then we can work on the big splash type acquisitions and try to topple UConn. Walk first, run later.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 30, 2024 14:39:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure why McKenna has to be the one, Here is why I specified McKenna. Mulready looks to get relief minutes for Mack and Epps and let's assume he competently does so. I don't think we would be looking for him to over-achieve. Sorber is already called out specifically. Not a lot is expected from Caleb this semester. I think this team needs another dynamic scorer to be competitive at the .500 level or better, and McKenna seems the most likely to be that guy of the non-Sorber freshmen. Meanwhile, McKenna is a freshman with 6 months in the system. This dynamic scorer could also be Curtis Williams should he over-achieve his prior production. I forgot about him. Interesting. I think we have enough dribble drive play with Mack and Epps. While a third slasher would be good, especially from the wing, I'm not sure we need a guy like that to get to .500. I think a McKenna or a Williams can get to Styles-level; that doesn't seem unreasonable. But we have two guys with the ball in their hands. I think we're more likely going to miss outside shooting than an additional slasher. If Williams shoots more to rep, that will help, but no one on the team was a great shooter last year (aside from Fielder in small sample). Mack was acceptable. If I think about where offense comes from: dribble drive, system/movement, outside shooting, low post play, fast breaks and offensive rebounding. With Mack and Epps, we'll have pretty good dribble drive. Low post play will be improved but I suspect not an asset. Offensive rebounding will be better if we get Stewart. I think system and movement needs to improved, but Mack and Sorber's passing will help that. It's that outside shooting that may really struggle if Williams and Epps can't bring up their %s.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 30, 2024 14:42:38 GMT -5
Hoyaboya: "The people advocating for Stewart seem to be more in love with the fact that we can get him rather than recognizing he doesn't solve any of our actual personnel needs. And by bringing in Stewart at this late stage, what does that tell Fielder and Sorber?" Read this carefully folks. Boya is not disparaging Stewart or his 5 stars or his athleticism ( I too am impressed that he broke Zion's Duke record for standing vertical ). Duplication. At some point I would hope Cooley would show some loyalty to someone other than Epps- like the players he recruited e.g. Sorber and Fielder out of High School. A one year, experienced, defensive Big is what this team needs, not a three year duplication of what we have.If Stewart signs with the Hoyas, how are we all going to feel if Fielder hits the portal shortly thereafter? Being that Stewart and Fielder are in the same class I would wish Drew good luck wherever he lands....Stewart shouldn't scare off Sorber or Fielder. Fielder should be happy because it would mean that he should rarely have to guard those undersized 4s that give him problems....plus no one is a duplicate of Drew. He is the only true shooter of these 3 and will always get his minutes if he's not in foul trouble...I really hope that none of our bigs are afraid of competition.
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Post by guru on Apr 30, 2024 16:32:18 GMT -5
Sean Stewart's brother is a sophomore at Howard: hubison.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/miles-stewart/7762This one's a done deal. Given the kid's background/family, Georgetown's a perfect fit for him. Hopefully we don't have to expend too much in NIL, his family is obviously well-to-do. It would be great if we can save on Stewart and still have enough to bring in Cliff O. If we do that, I'll get over the fact that we will have 3 guys that are all 6'9", 220-230 pounds, none of whom can guard a true high major 5 man. Excellent attempt at the reverse jinx - with a dollop of damning with faint praise - Trolly McTrolly.
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 30, 2024 16:48:50 GMT -5
There is something to be said for the player acquisition/draft stategy- " best player available". A five star Dookie to boot. We will know soon enough whether a Stewart incoming = a Fielder outgoing. Hope not.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 30, 2024 17:17:03 GMT -5
I would give Stewart a healthy NIL sum to pick Georgetown. I am not saying he would come into Georgetown and instantly be great, but he would probably be the most athletic/physically talented guy to play at Georgetown in a long, long, while.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 30, 2024 18:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 30, 2024 18:29:58 GMT -5
Close the deal Coach!
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Apr 30, 2024 18:54:34 GMT -5
12 months ago.....who would you have rather had commit....Dontez Styles or Sean Stewart?
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 30, 2024 20:00:16 GMT -5
12 months ago.....who would you have rather had commit....Dontez Styles or Sean Stewart? 12 months ago- Stewart Today- Stewart
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 30, 2024 20:07:30 GMT -5
12 months ago.....who would you have rather had commit....Dontez Styles or Sean Stewart? 12 months ago- Stewart Today- Stewart 12 months ago - Stewart Today - probably Stewart, but his value has gone down a lot while Styles had a productive year. Depends on what you want. 1 year of Styles might be better than a 3-year commitment to Stewart depending on your situation. With Styles, you know you're going to get above average production for a wing. Stewart is more of a wild card.
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 30, 2024 20:22:43 GMT -5
12 months ago- Stewart Today- Stewart 12 months ago - Stewart Today - probably Stewart, but his value has gone down a lot while Styles had a productive year. Depends on what you want. 1 year of Styles might be better than a 3-year commitment to Stewart depending on your situation. With Styles, you know you're going to get above average production for a wing. Stewart is more of a wild card. Thought Styles could have been a decent piece if he stayed … but curious what “productive” means in the realm of a 2-18 BE finish (I know, I know, if Jayden Epps hadn’t been a ball hog, etc etc…)
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 30, 2024 20:45:01 GMT -5
Im not trying to disparage Styles, he came in and played hard. His numbers were OK offensively, fairly poor defensively. A solid secondary player.
Stewart is a stud defensively and one of the best rebounders in the country (somewhat small sample) He wouldn't give us a ton offensively but doesn't need to be as the 4th or 5th option. Peavy and Stewart immediately make the defense better
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