prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2024 23:01:34 GMT -5
LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. Georgetown improved from 42 to 54 percent after halftime, much of that from Brumbaugh. However, Creighton improved from 58 percent shooting to 64 percent after halftime, including 9 of 10 from two point range. Rowan played 14 minutes and I think 3 minutes in the first half. With less talent on the court, Rowan can play like in Kenner.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2024 23:02:43 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2024 23:11:08 GMT -5
Again a better second half after getting dusted in the first half. LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. If you want to compare the first 10 minutes of the second half, you were down 19 to start the half and you were down 19 at the 9:47 mark before any of the starters were pulled. They did play significantly better even in the beginning of the second half - Cook was effective, Dontrez was effective, the defense was better.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2024 23:17:16 GMT -5
LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. If you want to compare the first 10 minutes of the second half, you were down 19 to start the half and you were down 19 at the 9:47 mark before any of the starters were pulled. They did play significantly better even in the beginning of the second half - Cook was effective, Dontrez was effective, the defense was better. No moral victories tonight... although I did like Cook's 7-ft swish... defense meh... more Ryan, what the hell...
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Post by guru on Feb 13, 2024 23:40:35 GMT -5
Cook was good tonight. He can stay.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 13, 2024 23:46:43 GMT -5
Cook was good tonight. He can stay. If we have anybody on an all-Big East team, it should be Cook. The kid plays his butt off.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Feb 14, 2024 1:00:54 GMT -5
I dunno. Nothing learned for me here tonight. We're bad, and Creighton can hit an unlimited amount of threes if you don't actually guard them.
Epps too many shots Cook game but undersized Styles somehow manages more tipped balls and balls OOB off him than anybody I can remember. Actually liked his offensive aggressiveness tonight, even while his mid-range game wasn't falling.
Ish/Bristol/Fielder - 46m of 4/5 action, 0p Rowan - hitting a couple of shots = nice, high dribbling & passing like it's an AND1 game = wtf Heath - no more needs to be written
I don't feel any worse game by game, and especially not against teams like UConn, Marquette, & Creighton. But there's always the possibility of a DePaul loss...
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 14, 2024 1:11:18 GMT -5
Cook was good tonight. He can stay. If we have anybody on an all-Big East team, it should be Cook. The kid plays his butt off. We will not have anybody on the All-Big East team
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 14, 2024 1:32:28 GMT -5
Allowed 1.4 points per possession tonight. In effect, we did exactly as well as we could have expected to do had we simply intentionally fouled Ryan Kalkbrenner (70% FT shooter) on every possession.
It is difficult to fathom defense this awful. We are now ranked 313 in defense on Pomeroy, not only by far the worst in Big East history but close to the all time Power 6 record (320, 2022 Oregon St.).
I did not think for a second we would be good this year, but I think it was a reasonable expectation to not have one of the worst defenses of all time.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 14, 2024 1:36:19 GMT -5
I dunno. Nothing learned for me here tonight. We're bad, and Creighton can hit an unlimited amount of threes if you don't actually guard them. Epps too many shots Cook game but undersized Styles somehow manages more tipped balls and balls OOB off him than anybody I can remember. Actually liked his offensive aggressiveness tonight, even while his mid-range game wasn't falling. Ish/Bristol/Fielder - 46m of 4/5 action, 0p Rowan - hitting a couple of shots = nice, high dribbling & passing like it's an AND1 game = wtf Heath - no more needs to be written I don't feel any worse game by game, and especially not against teams like UConn, Marquette, & Creighton. But there's always the possibility of a DePaul loss... Bundling Fielder in there seems harsh as he barely played any time when the game wasn't totally lost. And at least Bristol tries to do something. Ish should be getting the same number of minutes as points he scores 0 and I am glad his minutes are declining, but Fielder's need to increase more. At least Bristol and Fielder can be here next year. Ish can go in but if he isn't making a couple shots or doing nothing then just pull him right back out.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 14, 2024 1:45:21 GMT -5
The defense is a function of the talent. Cooley inherited three Ewing holdovers (Heath, Bristol, Mutombo) who have very limited defensive skills. Heath is continually out of position and was no match for Alexander.
Cooley's three major portal pickups (Epps, Styles, Massoud) cannot guard the perimeter--Styles was run ragged by Schieierman. Rowan Brumbaugh (7.3 ppg) has gone as far as a freshman would probably go under Cooley as a freshman but he lacks big-game experience and his ball handling is suspect. Fielder, even more so. For a seventh year player who started a season at Western Carolina, Bacote seems to be very limited, else he would see more time.
Cook is the only player reaching his his potential right now, because if you thing things were bad in these games, imagine Cook sitting with three fouls eight minutes into the first half.
To date, the two surprises have been how poorly Epps has played on defense and Massoud's diminishing returns versus what he did at K-State. Epps is now the worst scorer by percentage on the team in Big East play (.258) and Massoud is just ahead of him at .283.
All that said, Villanova is not Creighton and St. John's is not Marquette. Georgetown can compete with any of the four opponents remaining, including Xavier (a one point loss in Cincinnati), a home game with PC (outside the huge home court advantage they normally enjoy), and DePaul.
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Post by bobcat on Feb 14, 2024 3:18:05 GMT -5
3-49 in our last 52 big east games. unfathomable.
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 14, 2024 3:40:55 GMT -5
Enough said!
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 14, 2024 4:56:20 GMT -5
LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. If you want to compare the first 10 minutes of the second half, you were down 19 to start the half and you were down 19 at the 9:47 mark before any of the starters were pulled. They did play significantly better even in the beginning of the second half - Cook was effective, Dontrez was effective, the defense was better. You really can't compare halves when 1 team is up 20pts starting the 2nd. There just isn't enough urgency for the team that is up. You can say that the guys didn't quit but at that point Creighton is thinking "let's get out of here healthy"...
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Post by Elvado on Feb 14, 2024 5:16:34 GMT -5
Massoud should not see another minute this year.
He is quite literally useless and won’t be back.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 14, 2024 7:17:38 GMT -5
I have been a fan since the late 70's and this is probably the worst defensive team that I have seen.
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Post by guru on Feb 14, 2024 7:36:15 GMT -5
If you want to compare the first 10 minutes of the second half, you were down 19 to start the half and you were down 19 at the 9:47 mark before any of the starters were pulled. They did play significantly better even in the beginning of the second half - Cook was effective, Dontrez was effective, the defense was better. You really can't compare halves when 1 team is up 20pts starting the 2nd. There just isn't enough urgency for the team that is up. You can say that the guys didn't quit but at that point Creighton is thinking "let's get out of here healthy"... Of course you can’t, but there are some on here who will grasp at anything for signs of “progress.” I wish there were good signs too. There just aren’t.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 14, 2024 7:58:43 GMT -5
Ed basically confirmed that McDermott won’t be coming back next year
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Post by saxagael on Feb 14, 2024 8:07:33 GMT -5
LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. Georgetown improved from 42 to 54 percent after halftime, much of that from Brumbaugh. However, Creighton improved from 58 percent shooting to 64 percent after halftime, including 9 of 10 from two point range. That 2 point improvement for Creighton was largely Cook out of the game (and some wide open drives to the basket early in the half in transition).
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Post by saxagael on Feb 14, 2024 8:18:43 GMT -5
Again a better second half after getting dusted in the first half. LOL! Alexander was taken off early; their bench came in around the 5 min mark; etc… You cannot compare both halves. Not making a proclamation about the second half being better with disparate teams on the floor. Just looking for remotely positive in the the boxscore, as there wasn't much. Hoyas do have a tendency to play much better in the second half then have been down big in the 1st. Most often closing the gap (except when playing against a ranked team). I'm glad you find humor where there isn't any.
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