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Post by hsaxon on Feb 14, 2024 17:22:32 GMT -5
3-49 in our last 52 big east games. unfathomable. That stat is 2 games old 3-51 in the last 54 Big East games. I can’t wrap my head around that. Most people on here know a lot more about basketball than I do, but I can’t recall a 3 season stretch as bad as that in major conference history. Winning the BET in 2021 was indeed one of the worst things that happened to the program. What’s happened since then has been shocking Yes, indeed. Incredibly dark.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 14, 2024 17:28:38 GMT -5
The defense is a function of the talent. Cooley inherited three Ewing holdovers (Heath, Bristol, Mutombo) who have very limited defensive skills. Heath is continually out of position and was no match for Alexander. Cooley's three major portal pickups (Epps, Styles, Massoud) cannot guard the perimeter--Styles was run ragged by Schieierman. Rowan Brumbaugh (7.3 ppg) has gone as far as a freshman would probably go under Cooley as a freshman but he lacks big-game experience and his ball handling is suspect. Fielder, even more so. For a seventh year player who started a season at Western Carolina, Bacote seems to be very limited, else he would see more time. Cook is the only player reaching his his potential right now, because if you thing things were bad in these games, imagine Cook sitting with three fouls eight minutes into the first half. To date, the two surprises have been how poorly Epps has played on defense and Massoud's diminishing returns versus what he did at K-State. Epps is now the worst scorer by percentage on the team in Big East play (.258) and Massoud is just ahead of him at .283. All that said, Villanova is not Creighton and St. John's is not Marquette. Georgetown can compete with any of the four opponents remaining, including Xavier (a one point loss in Cincinnati), a home game with PC (outside the huge home court advantage they normally enjoy), and DePaul. Bristol is the best defensive player on the team, granted that's not a high bar but I wouldn't lump him in with Heath & Ryan. Folks were too enamored with the NCAA game Massoud had, his career stats show that the more he plays the worse his numbers get, as pointed out by others on the board Tang told the world he didn't think Massoud was good enough to play more minutes. There were warning signs for Epps as well but he's young so they were easier to excuse. The staff should be held into account too, however. The players aren't nearly as bad as the product they're putting out defensively. Depaul is 36 spots better than Gtown & they're ranked 277th. Epps had 46 pts in scrimmage vs. Wake Forest. I have to think he has potential if he can play off guard.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 14, 2024 18:07:33 GMT -5
Cook was good tonight. He can stay. If we have anybody on an all-Big East team, it should be Cook. The kid plays his butt off. Great respect and admiration for Cook as a basketball player.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Feb 14, 2024 23:31:41 GMT -5
Bristol is the best defensive player on the team, granted that's not a high bar but I wouldn't lump him in with Heath & Ryan. Folks were too enamored with the NCAA game Massoud had, his career stats show that the more he plays the worse his numbers get, as pointed out by others on the board Tang told the world he didn't think Massoud was good enough to play more minutes. There were warning signs for Epps as well but he's young so they were easier to excuse. The staff should be held into account too, however. The players aren't nearly as bad as the product they're putting out defensively. Depaul is 36 spots better than Gtown & they're ranked 277th. Epps had 46 pts in scrimmage vs. Wake Forest. I have to think he has potential if he can play off guard.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Feb 14, 2024 23:35:53 GMT -5
Give me a break.....a scrimmage....or Kenner....sure, if Epps took 40 shots (and if I remember correctly he took a lot of shots vs. Wake Forest), he certainly could get 46 points. The guy is shooting about .250 percentage in the Big East. He would need a lot of shots to get to 46 points.
But I agree that he should not be playing point guard, and only playing serious minutes as an off guard next year if he is efficient. There will be more options.
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Post by bornhoya on Feb 15, 2024 7:47:05 GMT -5
Give me a break.....a scrimmage....or Kenner....sure, if Epps took 40 shots (and if I remember correctly he took a lot of shots vs. Wake Forest), he certainly could get 46 points. The guy is shooting about .250 percentage in the Big East. He would need a lot of shots to get to 46 points. But I agree that he should not be playing point guard, and only playing serious minutes as an off guard next year if he is efficient. There will be more options. Epps is doing what he’s ask to do which is score, it not his fault that he also has to be the point guard that’s on Cooley
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 15, 2024 9:50:17 GMT -5
He said the same exact thing about Kim English and Shaheen Holloway. What he said about Holloway was almost word for word that quote. It's a standard line. Good point. If we’ve learned anything about Cooley this year, it’s that he says the same self-serving things over and over again.
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Post by guru on Feb 15, 2024 10:01:34 GMT -5
Good point. If we’ve learned anything about Cooley this year, it’s that he says the same self-serving things over and over again. LOL. This guy can really sling the BS. Did he say the same thing about Ewing? Ha
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2024 10:08:51 GMT -5
Being able to say gracious things about your competition after an L is the opposite of "self-serving".
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Post by guru on Feb 15, 2024 10:41:51 GMT -5
Being able to say gracious things about your competition after an L is the opposite of "self-serving". People would take you more seriously if you didn't contort every situation to try to put Cooley in the best possible light. The issue here, minor as it is, is not that Cooley is saying something "gracious" about opponents after taking yet another L. It's that he says just about the *exact same thing* every time, which can seem disingenuous to many observers.
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Post by TC on Feb 15, 2024 10:56:10 GMT -5
The issue here, minor as it is, is not that Cooley is saying something "gracious" about opponents after taking yet another L. It's that he says just about the *exact same thing* every time, which can seem disingenuous to many observers. The issue WAS that some Creighton fans were mad because they thought Cooley was letting some cat out of the bag and told the world that McDermott was leaving or Cooley was interjecting himself in negotiations because he said "you have a great coach, you should appreciate him" and he's friends with McDermott. Providence fans jumped in and amplified it because they are like boya and they will jump on anything bad about Ed Cooley. As DeMarinis' tweet shows - it's not - he says nice things about competitors a lot, whole thing is a nothingburger. That's why DeMarinis put together and tweeted that compilation.
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Feb 15, 2024 11:10:10 GMT -5
Give me a break.....a scrimmage....or Kenner....sure, if Epps took 40 shots (and if I remember correctly he took a lot of shots vs. Wake Forest), he certainly could get 46 points. The guy is shooting about .250 percentage in the Big East. He would need a lot of shots to get to 46 points. But I agree that he should not be playing point guard, and only playing serious minutes as an off guard next year if he is efficient. There will be more options. Epps is doing what he’s ask to do which is score, it not his fault that he also has to be the point guard that’s on Cooley If Cooley believes that our best chance of winning is to have Epps shoot 25% from the field taking the most shots on the team then we have a coaching problem in addition to an Epps efficiency problem. I do agree with your point that Epps should not be playing point guard. We have a point guard, inexperienced though he may be. But play him. No downside at this time of the year.
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Post by raleighfriar on Feb 15, 2024 11:37:07 GMT -5
The issue here, minor as it is, is not that Cooley is saying something "gracious" about opponents after taking yet another L. It's that he says just about the *exact same thing* every time, which can seem disingenuous to many observers. The issue WAS that some Creighton fans were mad because they thought Cooley was letting some cat out of the bag and told the world that McDermott was leaving or Cooley was interjecting himself in negotiations because he said "you have a great coach, you should appreciate him" and he's friends with McDermott. Providence fans jumped in and amplified it because they are like boya and they will jump on anything bad about Ed Cooley. As DeMarinis' tweet shows - it's not - he says nice things about competitors a lot, whole thing is a nothingburger. That's why DeMarinis put together and tweeted that compilation. He DID let the cat out of the bag, though. There were already rumors of him going to ASU, now they’re just getting louder. and with Ohio State in the mix, the line didn’t age too well
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 15, 2024 12:10:30 GMT -5
I had to watch this one on DVR delay because of work. I finished it last night. I am not going to belabor things other people said, though it's hard to do that with the same problems coming up constantly. But a few things:
- Massoud is just a disaster. He is absolutely terrible on offense. In conference play, our O rating WITHOUT Massoud is 112.3, and with him playing is 97.3. He just adds nothing on either end of the ball. While the team is worse with Massoud playing on defense than without him on the floor, we are bad in both instances. There's just no reason to play this guy anymore. I appreciate that he came to Georgetown at a time when there were few reasons to do so, but the guy just doesn't have it. I am glad Cooley seemed to cut his time last game, but in my mind, he should be getting nothing more than spot minutes unless there is foul trouble. Give Fielder the time, instead.
- Defense. Our defensive problems really irritate me. I was really hard on Ewing about this, and truly did not think it could be worse than last year. And then this year happened. I certainly expected us to be better on defense, which is why I thought we'd be better than we are now. Cooley and his staff have really never had a defense this bad, which is the one thing that gives me hope that things will improve. If he was an up-and-comer with little experience, I would be a lot more skeptical.
To me this is the biggest Cooley red flag. I just don't understand why we are so bad and why we haven't seen improvement.
Looking at lineup stats IN CONFERENCE PLAY, we only have 7 lineups that have played more than 25 possessions together. They are all terrible on defense and 5 of them involve Massoud. The best of the bunch (D rating, 108.5) is Epps, Heath, Bristol, Styles, Fielder and that lineup has only played 30 possession together. And even that lineup is 43rd percentile, and so not that good.
Our most frequently used lineup, which is Epps, Heath, Styles, Massoud, and Cook has an astoundingly bad 131.9 D rating, 9th percentile.
And of those lineups with more than 25 possessions, we only have ONE that is a net + (meaning offense is better than defense): Epps, Heath, Styles, Bristol, and Fielder. And that lineup has only played 30 possessions/17 minutes, so it could just be a small sample size.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 18, 2024 9:11:50 GMT -5
The issue WAS that some Creighton fans were mad because they thought Cooley was letting some cat out of the bag and told the world that McDermott was leaving or Cooley was interjecting himself in negotiations because he said "you have a great coach, you should appreciate him" and he's friends with McDermott. Providence fans jumped in and amplified it because they are like boya and they will jump on anything bad about Ed Cooley. As DeMarinis' tweet shows - it's not - he says nice things about competitors a lot, whole thing is a nothingburger. That's why DeMarinis put together and tweeted that compilation. He DID let the cat out of the bag, though. There were already rumors of him going to ASU, now they’re just getting louder. and with Ohio State in the mix, the line didn’t age too well It’s true though. Creighton fans need to appreciate McDermot. Ohio State has him as a prime target.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 18, 2024 19:31:04 GMT -5
He is an outstanding coach in a conference with a lot of outstanding coaches.
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