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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 12, 2024 13:29:16 GMT -5
There is a lot to like in Epps’ game. He just needs to keep working hard and listening to the coaches to tighten up a few things. He is definitely a keeper. A little better decision making and he's a very good player. If you watch the Seton Hall game, he was a bit selfish and static at the beginning and at the end. But in the middle, he was an actual point guard. Add in that the last few games, he's way cut down on the bad turnovers -- which is also a product of less hero ball -- and he's just a few decisions from being a much better player. I also don't think he's had as many brain farts on defense. Not sure I saw one against Seton Hall but might have missed it.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 12, 2024 14:46:01 GMT -5
There is a lot to like in Epps’ game. He just needs to keep working hard and listening to the coaches to tighten up a few things. He is definitely a keeper. A little better decision making and he's a very good player. If you watch the Seton Hall game, he was a bit selfish and static at the beginning and at the end. But in the middle, he was an actual point guard. Add in that the last few games, he's way cut down on the bad turnovers -- which is also a product of less hero ball -- and he's just a few decisions from being a much better player. I also don't think he's had as many brain farts on defense. Not sure I saw one against Seton Hall but might have missed it. He has to shoot it better against good comp, he's 13-51 from 3 in P6 games this season. I also think he can be a better ball mover, I'm not fond of the "Akinjo" tendencies he has where it seems he wants all his passes to lead to shots. That being said he does have a lot of potential
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 21, 2024 17:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Jan 25, 2024 20:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 29, 2024 9:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 29, 2024 9:46:08 GMT -5
26 points on 27 shots is horrible. That level of inefficiency has to come to an end. I love it when epps gets a guy on his hip and gets to his lay-up. I hate when he shoots his step back. Even if it goes in its not a good shot and not one we can win with consistently.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 29, 2024 11:26:24 GMT -5
26 points on 27 shots is horrible. That level of inefficiency has to come to an end. I love it when epps gets a guy on his hip and gets to his lay-up. I hate when he shoots his step back. Even if it goes in its not a good shot and not one we can win with consistently. I agree 100% I'll add that when watching these clips it's clear that most of Epps best shots come after screens or some action to get him open. The 3pt shot he hit late to put Gtown up 3 came after a well run play to get him open, same goes for the 3 he hit with a minute left to pull Gtown within four. The staff has to make him understand that he has to let the game come to him.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 29, 2024 11:30:26 GMT -5
26 points on 27 shots is horrible. That level of inefficiency has to come to an end. I love it when epps gets a guy on his hip and gets to his lay-up. I hate when he shoots his step back. Even if it goes in it’s not a good shot and not one we can win with consistently. Kid is the only option we have to create his own shot till someone else shows they can do it or EC starts running offense that gives us early shots we going to have to live and die by Epps
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 29, 2024 11:57:06 GMT -5
26 points on 27 shots is horrible. That level of inefficiency has to come to an end. I love it when epps gets a guy on his hip and gets to his lay-up. I hate when he shoots his step back. Even if it goes in it’s not a good shot and not one we can win with consistently. Kid is the only option we have to create his own shot till someone else shows they can do it or EC starts running offense that gives us early shots we going to have to live and die by Epps At the college level, you don't have to run an offense that relies on somebody to create his own shot. You can run all kinds of screens and off ball action to get people open off of a pass - which we typically don't do, as evidenced by our poor assist numbers. It's pretty clear that Cooley's plan for this season, which he hasn't wavered from despite 8-12 overall, 1-8 in the Big East is: 1) Offensively - Limit possessions to keep the game close; get the ball to Epps, often near the end of the shot clock, and let him go 1-on-1 and/or run middle ball screens with Epps shooting as the #1 option 2) Defensively - Do not allow a high volume of 3-pointers; run opponents off the three point line whenever possible, do not allow them to shoot open 3s, be willing to let them take open 2s, try to get your defense to make the 2s as difficult as possible The problem with #1 is that it leads to stagnant offense and doesn't let your other players feel that they are involved. There can be some team chemistry issues that emerge from that. The plus side is you can win games when Epps goes on a heater and you should be able to keep most games close by limiting possessions. The problem with #2 is that strategy has led to the worst team defensively in Georgetown's history. The strategy isn't working and Cooley isn't adjusting.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Jan 29, 2024 13:10:10 GMT -5
Yes - agree #2. Our zone is too soft and we don't put any pressure on the ball and no double teams at all. We are missing a years past 'GTOWN" defensive stopper/tenacious rebounder.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 30, 2024 15:06:31 GMT -5
Kid is the only option we have to create his own shot till someone else shows they can do it or EC starts running offense that gives us early shots we going to have to live and die by Epps At the college level, you don't have to run an offense that relies on somebody to create his own shot. You can run all kinds of screens and off ball action to get people open off of a pass - which we typically don't do, as evidenced by our poor assist numbers. It's pretty clear that Cooley's plan for this season, which he hasn't wavered from despite 8-12 overall, 1-8 in the Big East is: 1) Offensively - Limit possessions to keep the game close; get the ball to Epps, often near the end of the shot clock, and let him go 1-on-1 and/or run middle ball screens with Epps shooting as the #1 option 2) Defensively - Do not allow a high volume of 3-pointers; run opponents off the three point line whenever possible, do not allow them to shoot open 3s, be willing to let them take open 2s, try to get your defense to make the 2s as difficult as possible The problem with #1 is that it leads to stagnant offense and doesn't let your other players feel that they are involved. There can be some team chemistry issues that emerge from that. The plus side is you can win games when Epps goes on a heater and you should be able to keep most games close by limiting possessions. The problem with #2 is that strategy has led to the worst team defensively in Georgetown's history. The strategy isn't working and Cooley isn't adjusting. Running screens and off ball action is running a set
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 30, 2024 15:44:45 GMT -5
We don't run guys off of screens.... that's what this entire offense has been predicated on this season.
Georgetown is literally in the 99th percentile in D1 of possessions that end off-screens. And their A/FGM ranks 135th - above average in D1. I don't know what you're even talking about.
Teams that end possessions off screening action more than Georgetown this year: UVA (mover/blocker), Vandy (stackhouse deep playbook off of ball action), Air Force (Princeton), Davidson (old school motion). That's the entire list.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 30, 2024 21:42:59 GMT -5
Running screens and off ball action is running a set Yes, we definitely run offensive plays, and the number and type are growing with each game. The three most common types are a pick and roll (with the roll action becoming much more prominent in the last few games), a decent amount of action to isolate Cook down low (a Providence staple), and we run a decent amount of off ball screens to free up three point shooters. I think it looks like we're not running anything at times because the first two set ups generally don't want movement from 2-3 of the players on the court -- you are looking to park at least two of them outside to create space inside with the third sometimes doing that, sometimes creating space with movement. It's not the Warriors offense or JTIIIs in terms of being a cohesive read and react system, for sure, but a lot of the people complaining now HATED that. We've added a lot to Cook in the last few weeks -- the pick has become a pick and roll, and the inside game has been an add. I suspect we just took that long to get it down. I suspect us to add a bit more. My big question for Cooley would actually be that when we *don't* run one of these things against man to man defense, is that a player decision on their own? His choice? There's still too many possessions where we freestyle a bit too much. I'd also say the other thing that tends to frustrate fans around offenses is when you play a zone. It's a completely different attack you have to roll out, and shooting over it (which people hate) is actually a decent strategy. Defensively (I know you didn't comment on this but I've seen a bunch of comments), we have seen changes, we just haven't materially improved stats-wise. We started the season in a lot of man to man, switching everything on the perimeter and not collapsing to help at all. This was most of pre-conference play. Since conference play started, we've been playing a ton more zone -- more than one type -- and helping a bunch more and trying to rotate. Our rotations are clumsy and slow, and the result is that our 3 point defense is different than earlier in the season when we'd just let the guy go to the hoop. It's worse. The problem is that it hasn't help stop players at the rim because the help is slow and weak and the resulting rotations are poor. Offensively, this team has a plan, even if it seems to ditch it at times. Defensively, the way to compensate for poor individual defenders is with smart team play, but we are miles off that.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 31, 2024 18:42:09 GMT -5
Running screens and off ball action is running a set Yes, we definitely run offensive plays, and the number and type are growing with each game. The three most common types are a pick and roll (with the roll action becoming much more prominent in the last few games), a decent amount of action to isolate Cook down low (a Providence staple), and we run a decent amount of off ball screens to free up three point shooters. I think it looks like we're not running anything at times because the first two set ups generally don't want movement from 2-3 of the players on the court -- you are looking to park at least two of them outside to create space inside with the third sometimes doing that, sometimes creating space with movement. It's not the Warriors offense or JTIIIs in terms of being a cohesive read and react system, for sure, but a lot of the people complaining now HATED that. We've added a lot to Cook in the last few weeks -- the pick has become a pick and roll, and the inside game has been an add. I suspect we just took that long to get it down. I suspect us to add a bit more. My big question for Cooley would actually be that when we *don't* run one of these things against man to man defense, is that a player decision on their own? His choice? There's still too many possessions where we freestyle a bit too much. I'd also say the other thing that tends to frustrate fans around offenses is when you play a zone. It's a completely different attack you have to roll out, and shooting over it (which people hate) is actually a decent strategy. Defensively (I know you didn't comment on this but I've seen a bunch of comments), we have seen changes, we just haven't materially improved stats-wise. We started the season in a lot of man to man, switching everything on the perimeter and not collapsing to help at all. This was most of pre-conference play. Since conference play started, we've been playing a ton more zone -- more than one type -- and helping a bunch more and trying to rotate. Our rotations are clumsy and slow, and the result is that our 3 point defense is different than earlier in the season when we'd just let the guy go to the hoop. It's worse. The problem is that it hasn't help stop players at the rim because the help is slow and weak and the resulting rotations are poor. Offensively, this team has a plan, even if it seems to ditch it at times. Defensively, the way to compensate for poor individual defenders is with smart team play, but we are miles off that. I definitely agree our defensive rotations are almost non existent they come so slow
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 5, 2024 12:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 6, 2024 9:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 6, 2024 10:54:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a problem with that comment if Cooley said, "has the potential to be". His shot selection is bad. His % stinks. His ballhandling mistakes in the open court are daggers. I also don't like the lack of accountability at times. Last night he overthrew a pass to Fielder and blamed Fielder. It was 100% on him. Even if it wasn't on him, I would like a leader to say My Bad and keep the freshmen engaged. It's just not winning basketball. If he commits to D and becomes a better distributor, the sky is the limit. The step over Carter double Tech was dumb. Act like you've been there! You get the And 1 which was awesome and then you screw it up with a dumb ass play. We are a thin team. You can't pick up dumb fouls that way and it shows a lack of maturity in his game.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 6, 2024 11:06:02 GMT -5
Hes not going anywhere. Hopefully he improves with better talent around him and less of the burden.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 6, 2024 11:29:33 GMT -5
Hes not going anywhere. Hopefully he improves with better talent around him and less of the burden. Of course Epps loves Cooley. Epps gets paid and is allowed to play however he feels like it, carte blanche, no matter how detrimental it is to the team concept. Based on the way he talks about Epps in comparison to how he discusses other players, Cooley may have a blind spot here, which would be harmful to the team beyond just this singular disastrous season.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Mar 6, 2024 11:40:51 GMT -5
I agree with most of what is said, especially the turnovers, they can be more detrimental than bad shots but as we saw last night, the wide open 3s that were missed by others were major reason we lost. I’m going to HOPE, that with more talent around him next year, he becomes more able to play team ball. Call me glass half full, I’m going to give most of what see this a pass.
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