EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 16, 2023 15:08:13 GMT -5
This is a good look by Cooley...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 17, 2023 18:10:44 GMT -5
In the last few months under Cooley, it is abundantly obvious that Ed Cooley is a fantastic representative of the university. He really takes his role as a basketball coach and leverages it to make himself known in the community, to ingratiate himself into the Georgetown community, and show that he truly views the job as all-encompassing. That is a huge breath of fresh air from the way the program has operated in the past. On these factors (i.e., putting aside basketball), I don't think Georgetown could have chosen someone better.
I do worry a bit about the basketball side. Not because I don't think Cooley can be successful (I think he will be), but I do think that a lot of fans are going to have unrealistic expectations, and if we don't instantly contest for the top half of the Big East, get down on Cooley and criticize him. I do think we will be so much better this year, that even if we finish in 7th or 8th, that it will be hugely obvious that Cooley is a massive improvement.
But, I think there will be a lot of sour grapes if Pitino gets St. John contending for an at-large bid in Year 1, and we do not. That said, I think the "Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach" credential is carrying much of the St. John's excitement among media, and for good reason since he is good. But, I think there's a chance of overhype there (or maybe not!).
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 18, 2023 5:10:51 GMT -5
In the last few months under Cooley, it is abundantly obvious that Ed Cooley is a fantastic representative of the university. He really takes his role as a basketball coach and leverages it to make himself known in the community, to ingratiate himself into the Georgetown community, and show that he truly views the job as all-encompassing. That is a huge breath of fresh air from the way the program has operated in the past. On these factors (i.e., putting aside basketball), I don't think Georgetown could have chosen someone better. I do worry a bit about the basketball side. Not because I don't think Cooley can be successful (I think he will be), but I do think that a lot of fans are going to have unrealistic expectations, and if we don't instantly contest for the top half of the Big East, get down on Cooley and criticize him. I do think we will be so much better this year, that even if we finish in 7th or 8th, that it will be hugely obvious that Cooley is a massive improvement. But, I think there will be a lot of sour grapes if Pitino gets St. John contending for an at-large bid in Year 1, and we do not. That said, I think the "Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach" credential is carrying much of the St. John's excitement among media, and for good reason since he is good. But, I think there's a chance of overhype there (or maybe not!). Pitino is/will be better at St John's over a short period. That's not a knock on Cooley, but Pitino is one of the best college coaches of all time. However, his time at St John's will be limited, and as soon as he's gone, it will be like every other stop he's been at where the next guy can't keep up what he built. He's a hired gun, who will say and do the right things until the next big thing comes, and he leaves the fanbase in the dusk. Now at his age, this may be his last stop, but he also said that about Iona. Cooley can conceivably be here 15 years and will help change the culture around this program, something that was sorely needed. I am cautiously optimistic that he will have success here during that time too. What level of success remains to be seen, but I think a Final Four run is a realistic goal. I'm not sure this will ever be a perennial Top 10 program, but I think a consistent Top 25 team that makes the tournament 80% of the time. I know the knock will be "but we are paying him to be a Top 10 coach", to which there is no counter to that, but it was simply the tax the school had to pay to get someone reputable to come here if it didn't want to take a shot at an unproven commodity. Hopefully that will pay off, and it seems it already has for aspects that go beyond the W-Ls in 2023-2024.
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bills
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Post by bills on Jun 18, 2023 9:32:25 GMT -5
I fully agree with your take on this.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jun 18, 2023 11:13:05 GMT -5
In the last few months under Cooley, it is abundantly obvious that Ed Cooley is a fantastic representative of the university. He really takes his role as a basketball coach and leverages it to make himself known in the community, to ingratiate himself into the Georgetown community, and show that he truly views the job as all-encompassing. That is a huge breath of fresh air from the way the program has operated in the past. On these factors (i.e., putting aside basketball), I don't think Georgetown could have chosen someone better. I do worry a bit about the basketball side. Not because I don't think Cooley can be successful (I think he will be), but I do think that a lot of fans are going to have unrealistic expectations, and if we don't instantly contest for the top half of the Big East, get down on Cooley and criticize him. I do think we will be so much better this year, that even if we finish in 7th or 8th, that it will be hugely obvious that Cooley is a massive improvement. But, I think there will be a lot of sour grapes if Pitino gets St. John contending for an at-large bid in Year 1, and we do not. That said, I think the "Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach" credential is carrying much of the St. John's excitement among media, and for good reason since he is good. But, I think there's a chance of overhype there (or maybe not!). Pitino is/will be better at St John's over a short period. That's not a knock on Cooley, but Pitino is one of the best college coaches of all time. However, his time at St John's will be limited, and as soon as he's gone, it will be like every other stop he's been at where the next guy can't keep up what he built. He's a hired gun, who will say and do the right things until the next big thing comes, and he leaves the fanbase in the dusk. Now at his age, this may be his last stop, but he also said that about Iona. Cooley can conceivably be here 15 years and will help change the culture around this program, somethin that was sorely needed. I am cautiously optimistic that he will have success here during that time too. What level of success remains to be seen, but I think a Final Four run is a realistic goal. I'm not sure this will ever be a perennial Top 10 program, but I think a consistent Top 25 team that makes the tournament 80% of the time. I know the knock will be "but we are paying him to be a Top 10 coach", to which there is no counter to that, but it was simply the tax the school had to pay to get someone reputable to come here if it didn't want to take a shot at an unproven commodity. Hopefully that will pay off, and it seems it already has for aspects that go beyond the W-Ls in 2023-2024. I could not agree more.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 19, 2023 6:29:35 GMT -5
Any word on Kenner dates or details?
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jun 19, 2023 8:52:11 GMT -5
July 1 start is the most recent thing I've heard.
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Post by jpj on Jun 19, 2023 17:32:23 GMT -5
This is a good look by Cooley... i hope this means he gave them all free tickets to a game
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Post by bluechi on Jun 19, 2023 18:14:03 GMT -5
This is a good look by Cooley... i hope this means he gave them all free tickets to a game Prolly he wants to fill home game arena
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 22, 2023 20:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by jackofjoy on Jun 23, 2023 14:12:37 GMT -5
Can Georgetown hire a “Director of Optics” or something? Granted getting the Verizon Center to look full with less than 5 (2?!) k would be a trick (and hopefully not needed this year) but how hard is it to remove a few empty chairs before taking the picture that gets posted? No idea what the expectation are/should be for a HHC board meeting but it strikes me there are more than enough people in the room. Would be nice to make it looked somewhat full vs looking like an early season OOC game (or any home game last year where visiting team fans didn’t travel).
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Post by TC on Jun 23, 2023 14:20:20 GMT -5
Can Georgetown hire a “Director of Optics” or something? Granted getting the Verizon Center to look full with less than 5 (2?!) k would be a trick (and hopefully not needed this year) but how hard is it to remove a few empty chairs before taking the picture that gets posted? No idea what the expectation are/should be for a HHC board meeting but it strikes me there are more than enough people in the room. Would be nice to make it looked somewhat full vs looking like an early season OOC game (or any home game last year where visiting team fans didn’t travel). Come on. This is stupid. When was the last time Patrick Ewing or JT3 or Esherick or JT posted a picture of a Hoya Hoop Club Board meeting? It's great we're doing stuff like this, it's great the program is more open to the point where they are willing to take a picture of a meeting and thank the people running it. The Providence trolls can go kick rocks. It's too bad they don't understand the difference between a club and club board, but optics aren't going to stop them from trolling. Trolls gonna troll.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 23, 2023 14:49:43 GMT -5
Can Georgetown hire a “Director of Optics” or something? Granted getting the Verizon Center to look full with less than 5 (2?!) k would be a trick (and hopefully not needed this year) but how hard is it to remove a few empty chairs before taking the picture that gets posted? No idea what the expectation are/should be for a HHC board meeting but it strikes me there are more than enough people in the room. Would be nice to make it looked somewhat full vs looking like an early season OOC game (or any home game last year where visiting team fans didn’t travel). Verizon Center? Stop living in the past! 😀
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Post by prhoya on Jun 23, 2023 15:15:54 GMT -5
I like what Cooley is doing to change the culture, but “Awesome energy” ? 🤣
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 23, 2023 16:49:26 GMT -5
We are still in the nascent Cooley stages, but the guy can talk and inspire. Whenever people see him speak/interact with him, the reaction is always positive. Of course, this is very new for Georgetown. From what I can gather, after his initial hiring Patrick Ewing had virtually no fan interaction at all, and JT3 wasn't exactly a man of the people either. It's nice to have a coach who is out and about and ingratiating himself to the community that he knows he needs to win over.
Ultimately, talk and charisma don't get you anywhere without winning, but I do think a high likeability factor gives you a little more leeway to get to winning even if some stumbles arise.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 28, 2023 8:13:03 GMT -5
Any word on Kenner dates or details? Kenner schedule. An oxymoron. Yup. Cant wait confusion and hot dogs. Go Hoyas. Interesting Cooley ssid at providence easier to or active all classes over by five pm. But here ? Worries practice and Kenner “ schedule “ 😂😂😂guess didn t realize always tge case even jeff or others couldn’t make key even championship games in Kenner cause if CLASS. Go Hoyas go Kenner. Go hoya STUDENT ATHLETES!
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 28, 2023 8:15:55 GMT -5
I like what Cooley is doing to change the culture, but “Awesome energy” ? 🤣 Lichoya — second row left hat scarf. Always chemo cold but it was great meeting with mr super connector.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 28, 2023 8:20:56 GMT -5
I like what Cooley is doing to change the culture, but “Awesome energy” ? 🤣 Lichoya — second row left hat scarf. Always chemo cold but it was great meeting with mr super connector. No doubt you have “awesome energy”!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 28, 2023 9:25:22 GMT -5
I love the comments from bitter Provy fans. Apparently they are not intelligent enough to get that it was only the Hoops Club Board, not the whole club.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 28, 2023 9:52:05 GMT -5
I love the comments from bitter Provy fans. Apparently they are not intelligent enough to get that it was only the Hoops Club Board, not the whole club. Maybe that's because the Head Coach, in his own tweet, referred to it as the "Hoya Hoop Club", not just the Board.
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