cas92
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Post by cas92 on Mar 22, 2023 20:22:00 GMT -5
I don't believe that at all. I really doubt that DeGioia is making the level of decisions that are being complained about. I think this is squarely on the Pat and Ronny show. OK, so you think that any exclusion of former players--conscious or not-- started with Pat and Ronny? We'll agree to disagree. Reggie Williams has spoken about feeling frozen out of the program for decades (and alluded to via social platforms he's been on) - preceding the appointment of Ewing as coach. If a notable figure harbors such sentiments, can you imagine what emotions other former players such as Johnathan Edwards have towards their alma mater?
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 22, 2023 20:37:06 GMT -5
Players have felt frozen out for 20 years.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 22, 2023 20:37:25 GMT -5
Quote of the day:
“When you lose at home it’s like someone broke into your house and stole your last bowl of milk. We will win at home. You try and come take my milk!”
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Post by Highsmith on Mar 22, 2023 21:04:10 GMT -5
Late to the party here, but I was finally just able to watch the whole press conference after catching bits and pieces through the day. A few thoughts-
1. WOW! I always liked Ed Cooley, but that was impressive. Seems like he's walking the walk already, too, as far as the inclusiveness. Can't wait to see what's next.
2. So incredible to see him bring up the players and reach out to so many more. It is incredibly sad to hear that Reggie Williams has felt shut out over the years. If Reggie and others are brought back into the fold, that's worth a couple million at least, right there.
3. Did I mention how incredible that conference was? Every note hit almost perfectly.
4. Kudos to hoyaboya for his comment a bunch of pages back. Hopefully your burst of optimism is rewarded. Remember what Ed said about patience, though....this isn't going to be an overnight fix, but the desire is there and the plan is there. Now it's time for the execution. It may take time, but things are already looking up.
5. What in the world is up with Providence fans? I get being upset and not liking that their long time coach left for a rival, but wow. So many of the things I've seen are just down right dirty....awful stuff. One of the "nicer" things I've read is so many of them saying he's a bad X's and O's guy. First, I don't buy it. Second, I don't think they realize what a mess our program is in in all of the ways Ed is clearly SO good at addressing. Even if his X's and O's were on a level like we've been seeing the past few years, the program would still be in such a better place with him in charge than it has been. Connections, engagement, inclusiveness, etc. We will be better in all of those ways. The X's and O's will be a big bonus.
6. It's just nice to be able to enjoy Hoya basketball again.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 22, 2023 21:52:54 GMT -5
I dont want to say too much since it's behind a paywall- but Ron Bailey at Hoyareport had a great interview with Lee Reed that just reinforced how much the administration is embracing change in the program top to bottom. Recommended watch.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 22, 2023 22:30:05 GMT -5
That man is brimming with confidence! He is a coach who projects a confidence of knowing how to win. Not only that, but he really gets it! The G needs to go back into the Georgetown basketball program!
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2023 22:52:58 GMT -5
Ed Cooley is the definition of charisma. He knows how to win over a room. From the serious talking points, to his jokes, the guy is very skilled.
The biggest take home point from the press conference was Ed Cooley's admission: "I needed a change".
Providence is hurt because they love Ed Cooley. Still. He is one of their own. He was born and raised in that city. He built the current foundation that is there now. He won consistently at that program. Coach of the year last year. Money wasn't the issue either. Despite all of that, he left for a program within their own conference. A Georgetown program that just about everybody within the conference, the country, and Providence itself would admit is a much better job.
Historically, the coaches that have done well there, don't stay (Pitino, Gillen, Barnes). It is a stepping stone job. Cooley stayed for 12 years. Had he not been a homegrown guy, he might have left sooner.
Providence knows what they lost in Ed Cooley. What stings more is not the fact that he left, but why he left. So some will find every reason to vilify him rather than swallow that hard pill. It is unfortunate.
On our side of things, he won the press conference. Now the real work begins.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2023 23:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2023 1:40:03 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 23, 2023 4:49:04 GMT -5
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Post by bluechi on Mar 23, 2023 5:19:01 GMT -5
Ed Cooley is the definition of charisma. He knows how to win over a room. From the serious talking points, to his jokes, the guy is very skilled. The biggest take home point from the press conference was Ed Cooley's admission: "I needed a change". Providence is hurt because they love Ed Cooley. Still. He is one of their own. He was born and raised in that city. He built the current foundation that is there now. He won consistently at that program. Coach of the year last year. Money wasn't the issue either. Despite all of that, he left for a program within their own conference. A Georgetown program that just about everybody within the conference, the country, and Providence itself would admit is a much better job. Historically, the coaches that have done well there, don't stay (Pitino, Gillen, Barnes). It is a stepping stone job. Cooley stayed for 12 years. Had he not been a homegrown guy, he might have left sooner. Providence knows what they lost in Ed Cooley. What stings more is not the fact that he left, but why he left. So some will find every reason to vilify him rather than swallow that hard pill. It is unfortunate. On our side of things, he won the press conference. Now the real work begins. Go Hoyas! Cant believe nobody pressed Reed or JDG about the brazen choice to pursue an in-conf. coach. Strange.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 23, 2023 5:48:23 GMT -5
My two cents on the Cooley presence conference…
His leadership narrative was really strong. The response of so many Hoyatalk board members is pretty good evidence.
Ewing’s leadership narrative was insufficient. We saw it in the post-game press conferences. We saw in the time-outs. The leadership narrative is the foundation, and the program has made a significant step up.
It will take a lot more than a strong leadership narrative, but is is a great start. Past performance suggests he will be able to deliver quite a bit.
I am not sure if he did himself any favors with expectation management. He set the bar pretty high. There is a ton of work to do to get there.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 23, 2023 6:18:53 GMT -5
From the irrelevancy of the Ewing era (save for one week in 2021) to actual coverage in the local paper. It took Ed Cooley six minutes of his introductory speech as the men’s basketball coach at Georgetown to bring up the name that simultaneously matters the most to the Hoyas and the one from which there must now be some distance: John Thompson Jr. “First and foremost: I’m not him,” Cooley said Wednesday. “I don’t want to be him. But I respect the platform he gave all of us young believers that had a bowl of hope — a bowl of hope and a dream. And that’s all I wanted.” That’s where Cooley landed on his first day leading the Hoyas, simultaneously embracing the legacy of the man who allowed Black kids who grew up in poverty to believe they could be basketball coaches and build basketball programs while making it clear that the entire current operation needs an overhaul. It is a needle with the tiniest of holes. On Day One, Cooley threaded it. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/03/23/georgetown-basketball-ed-cooley-john-thompson/
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 23, 2023 7:16:23 GMT -5
Players have felt frozen out for 20 years. At least 30. I played 18 holes a few years back with a star/starter from the early 90s that I met that morning who sua sponte from the first tee onward would launch into a very unfavorable rant about Big John every few holes and how he felt treated poorly/like a nuisance not a resource through the then current day 2020. I also know that the complaints of some folks may well be misplaced so I don’t mean to take sides — I don’t know enough to do so — but is another reason to be glad we are moving on. Let the healing and support instead begin!
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Post by 2ndRyan on Mar 23, 2023 7:49:16 GMT -5
Inviting the players up first was no accident. Ed had clearly done some homework. A masterful performance by someone who seems energized by the task ahead of him. I was struck by how comfortable he seemed at the podium. Before the press conference I was rationalizing the choice of Colley as a safe choice. Now I'm really hoping it's the best choice.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 23, 2023 8:21:01 GMT -5
I find it amusing that Providence fans are coming at Cooley's character for alleged infidelity. Yet at the same time they are upset they weren't able to replace him with Rick Pitino.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2023 8:37:37 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2023 8:40:04 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2023 8:53:44 GMT -5
I find it amusing that Providence fans are coming at Cooley's character for alleged infidelity. Yet at the same time they are upset they weren't able to replace him with Rick Pitino. Providunce fans will tell you that Ed Cooley is a traveling salesman that is putting one over on Hoyatown and doesn’t know the territory. So much Butt hurt.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2023 9:02:40 GMT -5
Let's be honest is there an AA coach from the DMV especially but anywhere that doesn't have a quote like this?
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