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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 12:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 13:01:08 GMT -5
Interesting. The article talks about the inflation caused by the extraordinary conditions arising from the pandemic. It’s like, at one point, we understood that the worldwide inflation was caused by the lingering effects of the pandemic, but since then, blame has been placed solely on the administration by people with a woeful understanding of economics (or those who have a vested interest in convincing people the administration is to blame, like Republicans). And therein lies the problem. I agree that it’s not a great idea because the effects of price controls typically exacerbate inflation. With inflation now largely under control, using Federal Reserve interest rate adjustment as the primary tool, things to seem to have gotten better. However, the average American voter has the “price go up, blame current president” understanding of economics. Now we are left with ridiculous, populist-like suggestions like price control regulation because you can’t really tell voters “you guys don’t understand what you are talking about.” I’m sure the people in Harris’s circle know this suggestion is dumb, but you have to give people something, especially when their approach to understanding the underlying problem is, for lack of a better word, dumb.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 13:07:38 GMT -5
Interesting. The article talks about the inflation caused by the extraordinary conditions arising from the pandemic. It’s like, at one point, we understood that the worldwide inflation was caused by the lingering effects of the pandemic, but since then, blame has been placed solely on the administration by people with a woeful understanding of economics (or those who have a vested interest in convincing people the administration is to blame, like Republicans). And therein lies the problem. I agree that it’s not a great idea because the effects of price controls typically exacerbate inflation. With inflation now largely under control, using Federal Reserve interest rate adjustment as the primary tool, things to seem to have gotten better. However, the average American voter has the “price go up, blame current president” understanding of economics. Now we are left with ridiculous, populist-like suggestions like price control regulation because you can’t really tell voters “you guys don’t understand what you are talking about.” I’m sure the people in Harris’s circle know this suggestion is dumb, but you have to give people something, especially when their approach to understanding the underlying problem is, for lack of a better word, dumb. I am tired today. Is your answer that a stupid idea is justified when offered to a stupid audience? Price controls are a bad idea. We agree.
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 13:21:01 GMT -5
Interesting. The article talks about the inflation caused by the extraordinary conditions arising from the pandemic. It’s like, at one point, we understood that the worldwide inflation was caused by the lingering effects of the pandemic, but since then, blame has been placed solely on the administration by people with a woeful understanding of economics (or those who have a vested interest in convincing people the administration is to blame, like Republicans). And therein lies the problem. I agree that it’s not a great idea because the effects of price controls typically exacerbate inflation. With inflation now largely under control, using Federal Reserve interest rate adjustment as the primary tool, things to seem to have gotten better. However, the average American voter has the “price go up, blame current president” understanding of economics. Now we are left with ridiculous, populist-like suggestions like price control regulation because you can’t really tell voters “you guys don’t understand what you are talking about.” I’m sure the people in Harris’s circle know this suggestion is dumb, but you have to give people something, especially when their approach to understanding the underlying problem is, for lack of a better word, dumb. I am tired today. Is your answer that a stupid idea is justified when offered to a stupid audience? Price controls are a bad idea. We agree. Yes, I agree it’s a bad idea, and one that I don’t think will actually be implemented. Sometimes good politics is also proposing bad ideas that people think are good ideas. I certainly wish it weren’t that way, but we are not a terribly bright country. After all, if we were, Trump wouldn’t even be sniffing the presidency again, and never would have been elected in the first place. Somehow, Trump’s economic stances are even worse than Harris’s (now a 20% blanket tariff!?!), and he is more likely to pull the trigger on his idiotic ideas. I guess you gotta fight dumb with dumb when you are dealing with dummies.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 13:29:18 GMT -5
I am tired today. Is your answer that a stupid idea is justified when offered to a stupid audience? Price controls are a bad idea. We agree. Yes, I agree it’s a bad idea, and one that I don’t think will actually be implemented. Sometimes good politics is also proposing bad ideas that people think are good ideas. I certainly wish it weren’t that way, but we are not a terribly bright country. After all, if we were, Trump wouldn’t even be sniffing the presidency again, and never would have been elected in the first place. Somehow, Trump’s economic stances are even worse than Harris’s (now a 20% blanket tariff!?!), and he is more likely to pull the trigger on his idiotic ideas. I guess you gotta fight dumb with dumb when you are dealing with dummies. Where are you on the $25K housing bribe?
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 13:39:46 GMT -5
Yes, I agree it’s a bad idea, and one that I don’t think will actually be implemented. Sometimes good politics is also proposing bad ideas that people think are good ideas. I certainly wish it weren’t that way, but we are not a terribly bright country. After all, if we were, Trump wouldn’t even be sniffing the presidency again, and never would have been elected in the first place. Somehow, Trump’s economic stances are even worse than Harris’s (now a 20% blanket tariff!?!), and he is more likely to pull the trigger on his idiotic ideas. I guess you gotta fight dumb with dumb when you are dealing with dummies. Where are you on the $25K housing bribe? Until I see the fully fleshed out idea, I will withhold complete judgment. My initial response is that it may cause a spike in housing prices because, ultimately, there is a pretty fixed inventory of houses that can only be relieved by new construction. I know there is an element in there of providing some subsidies at a local level to increase inventory through new construction, but I’m not sure exactly how it will work. I think this is fundamentally more workable than price controls, but the specifics will be incredibly important in evaluating its efficacy. This proposal doesn’t really affect me, but I do appreciate an effort being made to help people afford home purchases; I do worry that if implemented incorrectly, it could be a disaster.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 14:01:51 GMT -5
Where are you on the $25K housing bribe? Until I see the fully fleshed out idea, I will withhold complete judgment. My initial response is that it may cause a spike in housing prices because, ultimately, there is a pretty fixed inventory of houses that can only be relieved by new construction. I know there is an element in there of providing some subsidies at a local level to increase inventory through new construction, but I’m not sure exactly how it will work. I think this is fundamentally more workable than price controls, but the specifics will be incredibly important in evaluating its efficacy. This proposal doesn’t really affect me, but I do appreciate an effort being made to help people afford home purchases; I do worry that if implemented incorrectly, it could be a disaster. Affordable housing means someone else pays… It is a craven vote buying scheme.
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 14:09:54 GMT -5
Until I see the fully fleshed out idea, I will withhold complete judgment. My initial response is that it may cause a spike in housing prices because, ultimately, there is a pretty fixed inventory of houses that can only be relieved by new construction. I know there is an element in there of providing some subsidies at a local level to increase inventory through new construction, but I’m not sure exactly how it will work. I think this is fundamentally more workable than price controls, but the specifics will be incredibly important in evaluating its efficacy. This proposal doesn’t really affect me, but I do appreciate an effort being made to help people afford home purchases; I do worry that if implemented incorrectly, it could be a disaster. Affordable housing means someone else pays… It is a craven vote buying scheme. So you were actually interested in a discussion of the policy itself, you just wanted to get that in there, huh? I guess money isn’t the most important thing in the world to me, and I don’t mind looking out for other people. You know, Christian stuff.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 14:13:39 GMT -5
Affordable housing means someone else pays… It is a craven vote buying scheme. So you were actually interested in a discussion of the policy itself, you just wanted to get that in there, huh? I guess money isn’t the most important thing in the world to me, and I don’t mind looking out for other people. You know, Christian stuff. Christian (or any other type) Charity is wonderful and a personal choice. The idea of promising $25K of taxpayer money is not charity; it is asset shifting and compulsory.
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 14:23:14 GMT -5
So you were actually interested in a discussion of the policy itself, you just wanted to get that in there, huh? I guess money isn’t the most important thing in the world to me, and I don’t mind looking out for other people. You know, Christian stuff. Christian (or any other type) Charity is wonderful and a personal choice. The idea of promising $25K of taxpayer money is not charity; it is asset shifting and compulsory. I said looking out for other people was Christian. I don’t mind if I’m taxed a little more because some things can only be done through governmental means. What are your solutions for housing affordability? What are Republicans’ solutions? Because whatever they do will cost money too. Or is it, as I suspect, Republicans don’t actually care if people can afford homes unless it affects them personally? It seems you are in that boat.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 17, 2024 14:26:59 GMT -5
It’s so good to have you back. Were you on vacation? Preparing to take Harry to Lower Canada… How is your crowd? I feel the strain of that. My youngest applied and I suggested she consider paying the tuition herself. Luckily for her, going there made less sense career wise than it does for Harry. Said Georgetown grad is still in DC and just finishing a 2 year CDC Public Health Associate Program stint at the National Association of County Governments where she produced this: www.naco.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/TheCountyMaternalHealthLandscape.pdfShe’s about to start a job at DHHS in the Scientific and Regulatory Affairs Branch and will start a Masters in Public Policy in fall 2025. Her older sisters are similarly successful in their careers. Nothing better than when the adults we produce succeed and are happy. Well, except perhaps for grandchildren (we’re up to 3 now). Now back to discussing policy proposals. That would be a nice change from our recent elections.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 14:30:28 GMT -5
Christian (or any other type) Charity is wonderful and a personal choice. The idea of promising $25K of taxpayer money is not charity; it is asset shifting and compulsory. I said looking out for other people was Christian. I don’t mind if I’m taxed a little more because some things can only be done through governmental means. What are your solutions for housing affordability? What are Republicans’ solutions? Because whatever they do will cost money too. Or is it, as I suspect, Republicans don’t actually care if people can afford homes unless it affects them personally? It seems you are in that boat. Another nice Christian principle is “Judge not lest ye be judged” Try it out, you might like it. And do you believe, as I do, that the entire proposal is a vote buying scheme?
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 14:31:54 GMT -5
Preparing to take Harry to Lower Canada… How is your crowd? I feel the strain of that. My youngest applied and I suggested she consider paying the tuition herself. Luckily for her, going there made less sense career wise than it does for Harry. Said Georgetown grad is still in DC and just finishing a 2 year CDC Public Health Associate Program stint at the National Association of County Governments where she produced this: www.naco.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/TheCountyMaternalHealthLandscape.pdfShe’s about to start a job at DHHS in the Scientific and Regulatory Affairs Branch and will start a Masters in Public Policy in fall 2025. Her older sisters are similarly successful in their careers. Nothing better than when the adults we produce succeed and are happy. Well, except perhaps for grandchildren (we’re up to 3 now). Now back to discussing policy proposals. That would be a nice change from our recent elections. Fantastic. You should be beaming with well earned fatherly pride.
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 14:38:31 GMT -5
I said looking out for other people was Christian. I don’t mind if I’m taxed a little more because some things can only be done through governmental means. What are your solutions for housing affordability? What are Republicans’ solutions? Because whatever they do will cost money too. Or is it, as I suspect, Republicans don’t actually care if people can afford homes unless it affects them personally? It seems you are in that boat. Another nice Christian principle is “Judge not lest ye be judged” Try it out, you might like it. And do you believe, as I do, that the entire proposal is a vote buying scheme? I asked you directly what is your solution to housing affordability? Or do you just not care? Edit: also the “judge” thing is rich coming from you.
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 17, 2024 14:47:02 GMT -5
Do you think all government subsidies should be eliminated?
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 15:06:16 GMT -5
Another nice Christian principle is “Judge not lest ye be judged” Try it out, you might like it. And do you believe, as I do, that the entire proposal is a vote buying scheme? I asked you directly what is your solution to housing affordability? Or do you just not care? Edit: also the “judge” thing is rich coming from you. I don’t have one. I am quite certain that throwing government money at is never the solution. See large city public school systems as Exhibit A. Now do you think the proposal is a cynical vote buying scheme with little to no chance of being implemented? I do.
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 15:46:14 GMT -5
I asked you directly what is your solution to housing affordability? Or do you just not care? Edit: also the “judge” thing is rich coming from you. I don’t have one. I am quite certain that throwing government money at is never the solution. See large city public school systems as Exhibit A. Now do you think the proposal is a cynical vote buying scheme with little to no chance of being implemented? I do. I already said what I thought about it when I foolishly believed you may have wanted an opinion on it rather than you just wanting to repeat the same thing. I should have known better. It’s no more of cynical vote buying than promising to cut taxes that would benefit lower and middle classes when actually intending to cut taxes substantially for wealthy friends and donors, simultaneously driving up the debt more than any other president.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 15:52:09 GMT -5
I don’t have one. I am quite certain that throwing government money at is never the solution. See large city public school systems as Exhibit A. Now do you think the proposal is a cynical vote buying scheme with little to no chance of being implemented? I do. I already said what I thought about it when I foolishly believed you may have wanted an opinion on it rather than you just wanting to repeat the same thing. I should have known better. It’s no more of cynical vote buying than promising to cut taxes that would benefit lower and middle classes when actually intending to cut taxes substantially for wealthy friends and donors, simultaneously driving up the debt more than any other president. I have no appetite for further tax cuts. And promising something you have no intention of doing is lying. My question to you was do you think this is a cynical vote buy?
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Post by hoyajinx on Aug 17, 2024 16:24:48 GMT -5
I already said what I thought about it when I foolishly believed you may have wanted an opinion on it rather than you just wanting to repeat the same thing. I should have known better. It’s no more of cynical vote buying than promising to cut taxes that would benefit lower and middle classes when actually intending to cut taxes substantially for wealthy friends and donors, simultaneously driving up the debt more than any other president. I have no appetite for further tax cuts. And promising something you have no intention of doing is lying. My question to you was do you think this is a cynical vote buy? Your appetite for tax cuts is not dispositive of the issue of promised tax cuts being a cynical vote buy. Besides, I was referencing the tax cuts from 2017 that bought votes. I am not convinced this is a cynical vote buy; it’s attempting to address an issue that is plaguing prospective homebuyers. Again, I’ve already addressed the issue, and without knowing what the fully fleshed-out proposal is, I won’t commit to an opinion on it. That’s not an unreasonable stance. However, I do think both Trump and Harris are engaging in a similar cynical proposal: no tax on tips. It’s bad policy and seems incredibly arbitrary, except in its effort to gain vote share from hourly workers. Also, it’s susceptible to manipulation. For me, that is much worse than the housing proposal which seems to have at least some hurdles in order for individuals to qualify. But again, I reserve judgment.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2024 16:26:20 GMT -5
I have no appetite for further tax cuts. And promising something you have no intention of doing is lying. My question to you was do you think this is a cynical vote buy? Your appetite for tax cuts is not dispositive of the issue of promised tax cuts being a cynical vote buy. Besides, I was referencing the tax cuts from 2017 that bought votes. I am not convinced this is a cynical vote buy; it’s attempting to address an issue that is plaguing prospective homebuyers. Again, I’ve already addressed the issue, and without knowing what the fully fleshed-out proposal is, I won’t commit to an opinion on it. That’s not an unreasonable stance. However, I do think both Trump and Harris are engaging in a similar cynical proposal: no tax on tips. It’s bad policy and seems incredibly arbitrary, except in its effort to gain vote share from hourly workers. Also, it’s susceptible to manipulation. For me, that is much worse than the housing proposal which seems to have at least some hurdles in order for individuals to qualify. But again, I reserve judgment. Fair enough. Enjoy your weekend.
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