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Post by wolveribe on Jun 26, 2023 9:00:33 GMT -5
Really good get. Solid, multi-year starter/glue guy. A guy that helps the team if hes the 2nd/3rd best player that is sound defensively and can score/help teammates.
I think anyone that consistently watches AAU games understands the limitations of judging stats for AAU games. The games are not geared towards guys that are fundamentally sound in the half court game. The games are wide open track meets where defense is optional and the best defense is leaking out into transition to get a dunk.That doesn't seem to fit the style of play of Williams but he's still a productive member of a great AAU team.
Must be odd that a player whos stock is "dropping" plays on some of the best teams in the country and simply wins.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 26, 2023 9:21:09 GMT -5
"The top 10 prospects to make their debut in the latest 2024 basketball rankings... NO. 110: CADEN DIGGS, SF Caden Diggs has been a prospect I’ve been high on since last years DMV High school live period. Diggs is a versatile and long 6-foot-8 forward. Defensively, Diggs has great upside on that side of the floor due to his length and mobility. Offensively, he’s made strides and is a good athlete which makes him intriguing coming into the summer." hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/1028152/quote/33114?page=8"Caden Diggs is starting to narrow down his options as he heads into decision mode. The 6-foot-7, 180 pound who attends Bullis High School recently received an offer from East Carolina and is being prioritized by two schools. “Iowa, St. Joes, and George Washington came to see me play last week and I would say Iowa and Richmond are recruiting me the hardest.” When it comes to Iowa, Diggs took his official visit in mid June where the staff laid out their pitch and player comparisons. “My visit was really good. They made me feel comfortable, I got to meet the guys and it was really exciting. While on the visit they gave the message that they want a versatile wing and are looking for me to go there.” Diggs continued: “They compared me to Devyn Marble and the Murray’s. They see me being able to score and get myself involved in the offense in different ways.” 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/caden-diggs-iowa-richmond-east-carolina-212029267/"Caden Diggs jumped to No. 92 in the recent 2024 On3 150 update. The 6-foot-7 Potomac (MD) Bullis School wing has averaged 15.1 points this summer while shooting 36 percent from three with the New World program on the Adidas 3SSB Circuit... “I’ve taken an official visit to Iowa; that’s my only one so far,” Diggs said. Iowa: “The team culture really stood out. Everyone seemed so comfortable with one another, the culture was great. They all ate over at the coach’s house. I got to sit with them, be around them and see how they all interacted. I liked it a lot. “Our relationship has continued to grow since the visit. They’re real with me. They let me know how I’m playing and what I need to improve on. They like to get up and down. They’re a more offensive-minded team, so if I can come in and bring defensive versatility, then it could be a great fit.”... I’m talking with Oklahoma State and Seton Hall about setting up a visit,” Diggs said. Seton Hall: “They’re in the Big East; I’ve always liked watching the Big East. I’m close with Coach Ra (Rasheen Davis). They get up and down and play a lot of defense. I feel like I fit in with their style of play.” Oklahoma State: “We’ve really just gotten in touch, Coach (Terrence) Rencher. They like my versatility and how I defend.” www.on3.com/news/caden-diggs-recaps-iowa-official-and-updates-his-recruitment/
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 26, 2023 9:25:56 GMT -5
"DMV Live: Top rising seniors draw a crowd of coaches The college coaches were out in force to see some of the country's top rising seniors at DMV Live... Patrick Ngongba, PVI Ngongba has been one of the hottest names in the class this spring. After recovering from injury and sliming down, Ngongba is now considered one of the top bigs in the class and he backed that up over the weekend. Ngongba was able to switch onto smaller players defensively, use his body to carve out space in the paint, rebound, and use his soft touch around the rim which has all contributed to his big jump in the national rankings. When it comes to where his recruitment stands and who came out to see him, he garnered attention from multiple head coaches and staffs. Duke head coach Jon Scheyer and two assistants, Virginia’s head coach Tony Bennett, Kansas State head coach Jerome Tang and two assistants, Iowa head coach Fran McCaffery, UConn head coach Dan Hurley and an assistant, Kansas assistant Norm Roberts among others were in attendance for the prized big man."... Malcolm Thomas, Dematha Thomas has made big strides in his game this year. While Thomas is considered undersized for a PF/C at 6-foot-6 he makes up for it with his serious athleticism. Thomas is mobile, plays with a high motor, can defend multiple positions, rebound and block shots. While he doesn’t have a great offensive skillset just yet his activity on the glass and around the rim allows him to affect the game in a variety of ways. Virginia Tech, Xavier, Howard among others were in attendance for Thomas this weekend. 247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/article/dmv-live-patrick-ngongba-christian-bliss-malcolm-thomas-211790222/"Ngongba talks visits “I’ve taken official visits to Kansas State, UConn, Duke, and Providence so far,” Ngongba said. “I don’t have any others set at the moment.” Duke: “It was a good visit. The coaches were all very energetic from the start of the visit to the time e they dropped me back off at the airport. It was a good vibe the whole time. We went to hang out with the coaches, and the staff got to know them. It was a good time. Seeing the strength stuff really stood out to me. All that they do for their players behind the scenes, the stuff we don’t really see, stood out.” Providence: “I knew Coach (Kim) English when he was at George Mason. It was nice getting up to Providence. It was way different than I expected; I didn’t know what to expect really. The facilities and stuff like that were really nice. I feel like I would fit in well with what he does and how they play. They’ve shown me a lot of the stuff they do with Josh (Oduro), and I feel like I can do a lot of that.” UConn: “I liked how involved with the practices the coaches are with the bigs. They had two coaches down there involved, guarding the players and taking them through the workouts. With Adama (Sanogo) and (Donovan) Clingan, seeing the centers that they’ve had recently plays a big role for me. Seeing what they can do for me individually helps with my decision a lot.” Kansas State: “I’ve known Coach Jareem (Dowling) since I was a little kid, and Coach (Jerome) Tang is also from the island my mom is from. So I have a pretty good relationship with them. On my visit, I was able to see how much the fans love the team. And we went over to the coach’s house and were able to play games, like ping pong, and I got a feel of what the bond was like there. I see them on the sidelines of every game I play; that definitely plays a factor.” “I’m talking with Iowa, Virginia, and Indiana about possibly setting up a visit,” Ngongba said. www.on3.com/news/patrick-ngongba-talks-duke-uconn-providence-kansas-state-officials-updates-possible-future-visits/
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 26, 2023 10:22:51 GMT -5
Really good get. Solid, multi-year starter/glue guy. A guy that helps the team if hes the 2nd/3rd best player that is sound defensively and can score/help teammates. I think anyone that consistently watches AAU games understands the limitations of judging stats for AAU games. The games are not geared towards guys that are fundamentally sound in the half court game. The games are wide open track meets where defense is optional and the best defense is leaking out into transition to get a dunk.That doesn't seem to fit the style of play of Williams but he's still a productive member of a great AAU team. Must be odd that a player whos stock is "dropping" plays on some of the best teams in the country and simply wins. Great post but I would prefer you use the term Robin instead of glue guy. When most think of a glue guy they don't think your 2nd or 3rs best player on the team. Most think of a 5th-6th player that does all of the little things that keep your stars clean. I think of Jermaine Samuels. A solid player but not ever 2nd-3rd best player on Nova's teams. Unless that is Caleb's ceiling in your opinion.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 26, 2023 10:30:45 GMT -5
Caleb could perform beyond expectations and still not be one of the top three players on the team at this rate. And that’s a good thing. But as a leader and a guy with an all-around game he could still end up as one of the most important players.
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Post by traversb on Jun 26, 2023 15:19:50 GMT -5
Caleb has had a rough EYBL season. Some teams backed off. It could all have worked in our favor. I think Cooley really wanted to build the TTO and local relationship. If Caleb stays around for 4 years he will be a valuable asset. I don’t think Cooley would’ve taken him right now if he was not from the DMV. Are you a hoyaboya sock puppet? Yes just a sock puppet who just does as he is told. Hoyaboya and I are the only ones that think like this.
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Post by traversb on Jun 26, 2023 15:24:41 GMT -5
Really good get. Solid, multi-year starter/glue guy. A guy that helps the team if hes the 2nd/3rd best player that is sound defensively and can score/help teammates. I think anyone that consistently watches AAU games understands the limitations of judging stats for AAU games. The games are not geared towards guys that are fundamentally sound in the half court game. The games are wide open track meets where defense is optional and the best defense is leaking out into transition to get a dunk.That doesn't seem to fit the style of play of Williams but he's still a productive member of a great AAU team. Must be odd that a player whos stock is "dropping" plays on some of the best teams in the country and simply wins. Great post but I would prefer you use the term Robin instead of glue guy. When most think of a glue guy they don't think your 2nd or 3rs best player on the team. Most think of a 5th-6th player that does all of the little things that keep your stars clean. I think of Jermaine Samuels. A solid player but not ever 2nd-3rd best player on Nova's teams. Unless that is Caleb's ceiling in your opinion. Not every player can be a top 2-3 player. He's not even one of the top 5 players on his AAU team. Players like Caleb are great to have and a glue guy seems a fair description. He brings a lot to the table.
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Post by guru on Jun 26, 2023 15:27:11 GMT -5
Are you a hoyaboya sock puppet? Yes just a sock puppet who just does as he is told. Hoyaboya and I are the only ones that think like this. Guess you're not sure what a sock puppet actually is.
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Post by traversb on Jun 26, 2023 15:59:40 GMT -5
Yes just a sock puppet who just does as he is told. Hoyaboya and I are the only ones that think like this. Guess you're not sure what a sock puppet actually is. I thought it was a someone that just repeated what the other person was saying in the form of a mouthpiece. Maybe I am wrong. Doesn't change the fact that we are not the only ones that think similarly about Caleb,
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 26, 2023 16:47:32 GMT -5
Guess you're not sure what a sock puppet actually is. I thought it was a someone that just repeated what the other person was saying in the form of a mouthpiece. Maybe I am wrong. Doesn't change the fact that we are not the only ones that think similarly about Caleb, The national scouts that increasingly do not include Williams in their top 150 lists also agree with this take. But I'm sure they're just Cooley haters and sock puppets too.
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Post by thedragon on Jun 26, 2023 17:04:03 GMT -5
I preface this take with the fact that I do not expect Caleb to be a future 10 year NBA vet and 1st Team All American....but...
Calebs ranking reminds me a lot of another Sidwell player who was in the 120s and below on the rankings lists that JT3 passed over for Stephen Domingo. Interchangeable at a few positions but no natural position. Inconsistent shooter at time. But just an absolute winner who has a nose of where to be to make a big play. Won't be the star of the team but can be invaluable as a glue guy/high iq/culture defining type player. That would be Josh Hart. Again, I'm certainly not saying he's on that trajectory. But he has that kind of makeup which has been extremely lacking lately on the Hilltop.
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 26, 2023 17:54:54 GMT -5
So many of us are looking to the various rankings as the end-all for these discussions. I think a better place to put them is as a decent -- but by no means definitive or authoritative -- start to fleshing out our different viewpoints. I know that those numbers and stats are often the first and last place we go to to help us determine if a pick is a good, great, or killer pick. We also acknowledge, almost in the same breath, that they are often too narrow in their information, that they are not timely in some way, or that they convey metrics that may not always translate into success at the high major level.
I'm pivoting in my thinking to this: what a really good coach with a really good staff, amidst evidence that several areas of our program that we have been praying for 3, 4, 5 years would improve are actually improving (culture, DMV recruitment, on-campus presence and excitement, vision for the future) -- what all of this together will bear on the team that we see in November. How will Ed & Co. put these pieces together? I get less concerned about Caleb Williams' recent AAU play on a team stacked with studs when I see a scouting report that talks about his high on-court IQ & versatility on offense and defense, who will come here as a freshman and be with a coach and staff that develops players. THAT'S where I'm putting my focus and hopes; the season -- actually seasonS -- ahead get really exciting and fun, and the future of Hoya basketball looks crazy great.
Hoya Saxa -- let's gooooooo!!!!!!!
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 26, 2023 18:00:36 GMT -5
I preface this take with the fact that I do not expect Caleb to be a future 10 year NBA vet and 1st Team All American....but... Calebs ranking reminds me a lot of another Sidwell player who was in the 120s and below on the rankings lists that JT3 passed over for Stephen Domingo. Interchangeable at a few positions but no natural position. Inconsistent shooter at time. But just an absolute winner who has a nose of where to be to make a big play. Won't be the star of the team but can be invaluable as a glue guy/high iq/culture defining type player. That would be Josh Hart. Again, I'm certainly not saying he's on that trajectory. But he has that kind of makeup which has been extremely lacking lately on the Hilltop. Bad comparison except for the same high school. First of all, Hart was ranked #94 nationally RSCI. That’s at least 56 spots ahead of where Williams is currently ranked by two of the major recruiting services. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-hart-1.htmlAdditionally, Hart always had project-able size and athleticism. What he didn’t have in high school were high level basketball skills, including shooting and ball handling. Williams is the exact opposite. He’s very skilled and has been well-coached. What he doesn’t have is high level athleticism, which can’t be taught. He’s a 6’6” limited athletically glue guy, which can be a fine player at the Big East level. But comparing him to Josh Hart is foolish.
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Post by thedragon on Jun 26, 2023 19:06:02 GMT -5
I preface this take with the fact that I do not expect Caleb to be a future 10 year NBA vet and 1st Team All American....but... Calebs ranking reminds me a lot of another Sidwell player who was in the 120s and below on the rankings lists that JT3 passed over for Stephen Domingo. Interchangeable at a few positions but no natural position. Inconsistent shooter at time. But just an absolute winner who has a nose of where to be to make a big play. Won't be the star of the team but can be invaluable as a glue guy/high iq/culture defining type player. That would be Josh Hart. Again, I'm certainly not saying he's on that trajectory. But he has that kind of makeup which has been extremely lacking lately on the Hilltop. Bad comparison except for the same high school. First of all, Hart was ranked #94 nationally RSCI. That’s at least 56 spots ahead of where Williams is currently ranked by two of the major recruiting services. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-hart-1.htmlAdditionally, Hart always had project-able size and athleticism. What he didn’t have in high school were high level basketball skills, including shooting and ball handling. Williams is the exact opposite. He’s very skilled and has been well-coached. What he doesn’t have is high level athleticism, which can’t be taught. He’s a 6’6” limited athletically glue guy, which can be a fine player at the Big East level. But comparing him to Josh Hart is foolish. Thanks for the input boya. As always, invaluable.
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Post by bluegray79 on Jun 27, 2023 6:23:34 GMT -5
So many of us are looking to the various rankings as the end-all for these discussions. I think a better place to put them is as a decent -- but by no means definitive or authoritative -- start to fleshing out our different viewpoints. I know that those numbers and stats are often the first and last place we go to to help us determine if a pick is a good, great, or killer pick. We also acknowledge, almost in the same breath, that they are often too narrow in their information, that they are not timely in some way, or that they convey metrics that may not always translate into success at the high major level. I'm pivoting in my thinking to this: what a really good coach with a really good staff, amidst evidence that several areas of our program that we have been praying for 3, 4, 5 years would improve are actually improving (culture, DMV recruitment, on-campus presence and excitement, vision for the future) -- what all of this together will bear on the team that we see in November. How will Ed & Co. put these pieces together? I get less concerned about Caleb Williams' recent AAU play on a team stacked with studs when I see a scouting report that talks about his high on-court IQ & versatility on offense and defense, who will come here as a freshman and be with a coach and staff that develops players. THAT'S where I'm putting my focus and hopes; the season -- actually seasonS -- ahead get really exciting and fun, and the future of Hoya basketball looks crazy great. Hoya Saxa -- let's gooooooo!!!!!!! Just gonna beat this horse dead a bit longer -- we can all agree that a player under one coach will perform better or worse than he will under a different coach, right? Of course. What so many of us are excited about with Coach Ed is that he brings experience, expertise, and vision that Coach Pat lacked. That being said, I think we miss the point in an important way if we focus mainly on a player's stats and ranking because it's a distraction from where we want to be focused, and that is on how well this coach and his staff prepares the kids and puts the best pieces together to win games. Sure, we want players that show ability and hit the bar of where Big East players should be to compete. Once we check that box, we look to see what kind of team they become. Question: do we agree that Coach Ed has the record, the chops, the vision to take the team and program to the next level? Sure seems to, but we'll see in November. If he sees something in a Caleb Williams, a Supreme Cook, or whomever, I want to believe that he and his staff have a definite idea as to how each player will fit into their plans, and from now to Nov. 15 against Rutgers, it's getting the players in shape, to buy in to the plan as a team, and to execute. Not concerning myself with who's rising or falling in the rankings but his place in the plan to make Hoya basketball competitive and fun again.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 28, 2023 7:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 28, 2023 10:27:41 GMT -5
Is Patrick Ngongba not eligible for that camp or something? How about Donnie Freeman? Always a mystery to me how the picks are made.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 28, 2023 17:00:47 GMT -5
DMV natives in ESPN's updated class of 2024 rankings:
10 Derik Queen 17 Patrick Ngongba 19 Bryson Tucker 21 Khani Rooths 42 Donnie Freeman 48 Jaeden Mustaf 55 Darren Harris 61 Del Jones 78 Caleb Williams 79 Isaiah Abraham 92 Garrett Sundra
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