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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 12, 2022 15:58:41 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 12, 2022 16:14:02 GMT -5
In my opinion, the FBI is attempting to identify any individuals who entered Mar-a-Lago. Some of those individuals may have connections to foreign powers or are, themselves, agents of foreign powers. The review of surveillance tapes are in support of an espionage investigation/prosecution.
As part of the FBI investigation, Justice Department investigators previously subpoenaed the Trump Organization for a copy of Mar-a-Lago’s surveillance tapes, a source familiar with the situation told CNN. The organization complied with the subpoena, which was first reported by The New York Times, and handed over the Mar-a-Lago surveillance tapes to investigators, the source said.
SOURCE: CNN, August 9, 2022
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 12, 2022 16:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 12, 2022 17:40:21 GMT -5
Add Stephen Miller to that list. If any of the cronies flees the country, he'd be a prime candidate.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 12, 2022 20:02:26 GMT -5
Hasn't been a very good week for Baby Donnie, the Big Insurrectionist has it? And to think that a couple days ago, the vile Republicans were thinking this would benefit them politically. Still going there, Republicans? The incendiary language coming from the Congressional d-bags was truly revolting. And yet, of course, there are still millions in the imbecile brigade who will continue to believe whatever lies Trump lays on them because, even though he's a pathological liar, according to them he's another George Washington.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 12, 2022 20:48:56 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 12, 2022 20:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Aug 12, 2022 21:10:04 GMT -5
So, Trump has hired another complete idiot as his attorney?
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Post by tashoya on Aug 12, 2022 21:11:36 GMT -5
Wow. Not a lot of people bring their "work" home after they get fired (especially when the "work" never belonged to you) but I'll enjoy hearing them try to spin this ridiculousness. Lock him up. It's way past time.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 5:36:03 GMT -5
While we are focused on the mishandling of the classified documents at Mar a Lago, please read the actual text of the criminal statutory provisions cited in the search warrant. It is NOT an element of any potential crimes under 18 USC Section 793, 18 USC Section 1519, or 18 USC Section 2071 that any document or record the subject of criminal penalties for its unauthorized storage, retention, destruction or transmission, etc. be classified. While national defense information ("information respecting the national defense"} under Section 793 (the Espionage Act) may be classified, it doesn't necessarily have to be classified for a prosecution under that Act. The fact that eleven sets of classified documents were found at Mar a Lago makes a potential case under Section 793 of the Act even stronger. Moreover, 18 USC Sections 1519 and 2071 refer to government records or documents regardless of whether it is considered national defense information or not. i Accordingly, the orange psycho's "defense" that he purportedly declassified any records and documents with classification markings (every single page of a classified document is marked with its classification at both the top and bottom of each page) is irrelevant, and he may still have violated the referenced statutes. What can we conclude from this warrant? Not a whole mo :)re than is obvious. The FBI has clearly developed significant evidence of criminal activity at Mar-a-Lago related to the handling of classified material, and government property more generally. There is evidence of document tampering. And there is evidence, at a minimum, of willful retention of material that should not have been at the resort. Precisely who is the subject of these investigations and how strong the evidence is at this stage remains unclear. But we can infer from the granting of the warrant that a magistrate judge, at least, believes it meets the probable cause standard governing all federal searches and seizures. We can further infer from Garland’s apparent eagerness to have this material made public that the Justice Department is confident of its position, not just in court but in public opinion. www.lawfareblog.com/whats-unsealed-mar-lago-search-warrantPS ADMIN: I liked the original title of this thread!
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Post by hoya73 on Aug 13, 2022 10:19:18 GMT -5
So, Trump has hired another complete idiot as his attorney? More from Ms. Habba: ‘So explain to me, why you tell someone to put an extra lock on, leave for almost two months, get a warrant, sit for a weekend, have a cocktail and then show-up again, guns a blazing?’ Not even informing the local police, which is normal course. He wasn’t even there. It makes no sense.’ Guns-a-blazing?
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 10:25:45 GMT -5
A deep dive into receipt analysis. The obstruction discussion (18 USC Section 1519) is especially interesting with a tie in to the 1/6 insurrection. Despite the fact that every single leak to the press about the scope of the warrant claimed that two crimes were listed, “mishandling classified information” and the Presidential Records Act, those leaks were all false. The former was a transparent attempt to avoid saying the word “Espionage” and the latter is not listed on the warrant as a crime being investigated at all (though I would bet a great deal of money that it features prominently in the affidavit). 18 USC 2071, in this context, may serve as a proxy, criminalizing the removal of records covered by PRA. And one of the four bullets describing materials that can be seized, bullet c, stems from PRA: “Any government and/or Presidential Record created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021.” Because it would cover items implicated in the two other crimes, National Defense Information and evidence from Federal investigations, that bullet point serves as a larger umbrella in this search. If Trump tries to claim he declassified the items seized in the Espionage Act investigation, for example, the government will be able to say they still seized them lawfully given that bullet point and the inclusion of 18 USC 2071, because to still be at Mar-a-Lago at this point, they would have had to have been removed improperly from government control. As described, by the time of its criminal referral, the Archives had already found that documents that were responsive to the January 6 Committee’s investigation (and so, derivatively, DOJ’s investigation of Trump personally) had been “altered, destroyed, or mutilated.” DOJ would have started this investigation knowing that Trump had attempted to destroy evidence implicating him in January 6 (though we actually have evidence of him attempting to destroy or alter evidence pertinent to other criminal investigations, too). By description, when Trump tried to destroy evidence, he did so immediately, in the heat of the moment, in the White House. For that reason, and because the known federal investigations — his attempted coup on January 6, but also his ties to Russia, his coercion of Ukraine, even his inauguration graft — were all predicated in DC, the investigation into Trump’s obstruction of those investigations would be in DC too. That’s why I hypothesize that FBI may have inventoried everything and then, when compiling a final inventory to share with Trump, they distinguished between the suspected crimes that would have been committed in Florida, by storing classified information improperly and refusing to return it to the Federal government, and the suspected crimes that would have been committed in DC when — on January 20 or before, including between January 6 and January 20 — Trump ripped up, flushed, burned, or tried to eat incriminating evidence. Unless Trump were to waive venue (which he would never do), any prosecution of Trump under the Espionage Act would happen in SDFL, because that’s where he illegally retained classified information after the government asked him to give it back. But any prosecution of Trump for obstruction would happen where the investigations he obstructed were and where he ripped up evidence, in DC. www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/13/obstruction-the-two-receipt-search-of-the-former-presidents-golf-resort/
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 10:30:26 GMT -5
So, Trump has hired another complete idiot as his attorney? More from Ms. Habba: ‘So explain to me, why you tell someone to put an extra lock on, leave for almost two months, get a warrant, sit for a weekend, have a cocktail and then show-up again, guns a blazing?’ Not even informing the local police, which is normal course. He wasn’t even there. It makes no sense.’ Guns-a-blazing? She is an idiot, aside from disclosing privileged communications on advice she gave the orange psycho. OTOH, Christina Bobb (attorney present at the Mar a Lago search) is a former Marine Corps Judge Advocate with service in Afghanistan and as a military defense counsel I believe. A graduate of Cal Western Law School which was the Marine Corps law school by default when I was a Navy JAG decades ago. IIRC, Cal Western was only accredited in California to qualify you to take the Cal bar back in the early 1980s but I assume it is fully accredited now. So maybe Bobb is only a partial idiot.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 12:13:43 GMT -5
NYT reporting that an attorney for orange psycho attested that Mr. Mango had returned all government documents after the negotiations with DOJ back in June. That lie/misrepresentation led to the addition of the 18 USC Section 1519 obstruction of justice charge when "someone familiar" tipped off the FBI that there were many more documents remaining at Mar a Lago. Was Mr. Mango's lawyer duped by Mr. Mango? Or was he/she complicit?
Also just saw Dan Crenshaw asking why DOJ couldn't have just subpoenaed Mr. Mango for the documents. Apparently he is completely unaware of the fact that the DOJ did take that step and got stiffed and lied to. Just another clueless MAGA GOPer.
At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government, four people with knowledge of the document said.
The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.
SOURCE: NYT, August 13, 2022
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 13, 2022 12:55:55 GMT -5
More from Ms. Habba: ‘So explain to me, why you tell someone to put an extra lock on, leave for almost two months, get a warrant, sit for a weekend, have a cocktail and then show-up again, guns a blazing?’ Not even informing the local police, which is normal course. He wasn’t even there. It makes no sense.’ Guns-a-blazing? She is an idiot, aside from disclosing privileged communications on advice she gave the orange psycho. OTOH, Christina Bobb (attorney present at the Mar a Lago search) is a former Marine Corps Judge Advocate with service in Afghanistan and as a military defense counsel I believe. A graduate of Cal Western Law School which was the Marine Corps law school by default when I was a Navy JAG decades ago. IIRC, Cal Western was only accredited in California to qualify you to take the Cal bar back in the early 1980s but I assume it is fully accredited now. So maybe Bobb is only a partial idiot. She also, uh, has an LLM from GULC. Ah well, can't win 'em all.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 13:00:04 GMT -5
She is an idiot, aside from disclosing privileged communications on advice she gave the orange psycho. OTOH, Christina Bobb (attorney present at the Mar a Lago search) is a former Marine Corps Judge Advocate with service in Afghanistan and as a military defense counsel I believe. A graduate of Cal Western Law School which was the Marine Corps law school by default when I was a Navy JAG decades ago. IIRC, Cal Western was only accredited in California to qualify you to take the Cal bar back in the early 1980s but I assume it is fully accredited now. So maybe Bobb is only a partial idiot. She also, uh, has an LLM from GULC. Ah well, can't win 'em all. Well, compared to Jeffrey Bossert Clark, who has his JD from GULC, she's small potatoes! He's a primary target. I bet she had the Corps pay for her LLM just as the Navy paid for mine (75% tuition plus a stipend for books).
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 13, 2022 13:17:42 GMT -5
She also, uh, has an LLM from GULC. Ah well, can't win 'em all. Well, compared to Jeffrey Bossert Clark, who has his JD from GULC, she's small potatoes! He's a primary target. I bet she had the Corps pay for her LLM just as the Navy paid for mine (75% tuition plus a stipend for books). I cannot begin to fathom what Clark thought he was doing. Like, what was his theory of the case that ended with him being Acting Attorney General and then...what, exactly?
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 13:28:36 GMT -5
Well, compared to Jeffrey Bossert Clark, who has his JD from GULC, she's small potatoes! He's a primary target. I bet she had the Corps pay for her LLM just as the Navy paid for mine (75% tuition plus a stipend for books). I cannot begin to fathom what Clark thought he was doing. Like, what was his theory of the case that ended with him being Acting Attorney General and then...what, exactly? You have to think like a Trump sycophant. In Clark's fantasy world, he successfully becomes Acting AG, carries out Trump's bidding, delays the certification of the electoral college count, Vice President Pence then declares the bona fide electors "fake" and selects the "fake" electors as real, throwing the electoral college to Trump. IOW, Green Bay Sweep per Navarro. Trump remains President who then appoints Clark as his new Attorney General who is then confirmed by the complicit power hungry Senate! Easy peasey!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 13, 2022 13:53:14 GMT -5
I cannot begin to fathom what Clark thought he was doing. Like, what was his theory of the case that ended with him being Acting Attorney General and then...what, exactly? You have to think like a Trump sycophant. In Clark's fantasy world, he successfully becomes Acting AG, carries out Trump's bidding, delays the certification of the electoral college count, Vice President Pence then declares the bona fide electors "fake" and selects the "fake" electors as real, throwing the electoral college to Trump. IOW, Green Bay Sweep per Navarro. Trump remains President who then appoints Clark as his new Attorney General who is then confirmed by the complicit power hungry Senate! Easy peasey! It just strikes me as preposterous that any functioning adult - unlike Trump himself or maybe also Late-Stage Rudy - could actually think this had any chance of happening. Like... there's wishcasting, there's delusion, and then there's "Oh, we can just use this one weird trick to steal the election and the whole country will just go along with it." Like, Peter Navarro is a maniac in many ways, but he's also someone whose relationship to Trump is purely transactional - there's no *actual* loyalty there that might blind someone, the way you see with cult leaders.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2022 14:08:00 GMT -5
You have to think like a Trump sycophant. In Clark's fantasy world, he successfully becomes Acting AG, carries out Trump's bidding, delays the certification of the electoral college count, Vice President Pence then declares the bona fide electors "fake" and selects the "fake" electors as real, throwing the electoral college to Trump. IOW, Green Bay Sweep per Navarro. Trump remains President who then appoints Clark as his new Attorney General who is then confirmed by the complicit power hungry Senate! Easy peasey! It just strikes me as preposterous that any functioning adult - unlike Trump himself or maybe also Late-Stage Rudy - could actually think this had any chance of happening. Like... there's wishcasting, there's delusion, and then there's "Oh, we can just use this one weird trick to steal the election and the whole country will just go along with it." Like, Peter Navarro is a maniac in many ways, but he's also someone whose relationship to Trump is purely transactional - there's no *actual* loyalty there that might blind someone, the way you see with cult leaders. I guess you may be able to divide the Trumpists into two groups: The true cultists who actually believe every lie that emanates from his mouth and the transactional power-hungry sycophants like Navarro and Clark. The latter category would include most of the political class who know full well what a malignant narcissist Trump actually is but know that he is their ticket to power because of his support from the MAGA GOP base, the former category I refer to in my first sentence.
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