iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 11, 2022 16:34:50 GMT -5
Barring injury or other off court issues - I'm just curious who you see him getting time over? Even if we allow that he could play either the 1 or the 2 - Harris is a returning 2 year starter and Spears is an all rookie performer in the A-10 who played 30+ minutes a game. It is really hard to see a situation when both are healthy that would allow Anglin to get much time beyond foul trouble and the ilk. At the 2 you have some combination of Heath who was a double digit scorer and 40% 3 point shooter at a Pac-12 program, Riley - who in my understanding was convinced to return with the understanding he would play an integral role and even potentially Murray occasionally depending on lineups. I hope Anglin is a sharpshooter that forces his way into the lineup by sheer talent and success - it's just really hard to see where exactly that playing time would come from purely looking at resumes. Most borderline top 100 recruits aren't seeing a ton of time right away - especially on a team that has a coaching staff that has a win now mandate or else. Definitely an issue, and I saw the comment about Primo above. My concern is that Pat could justify not playing Denver throughout even if he earns the time in practice, and that we may not know it. There are legitimate concerns about Primo and Dante, and we have no idea if Riley is better than Anglin. I know there’s a minutes crunch, but I hope a guy coaching for his job doesn’t fall back on older players and promises.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 16:50:20 GMT -5
All I will say for those discounting Anglin...I think that could be a mistake...his shooting may make it impossible not to play him... especially if Harris continues to shoot 25% from 3 and can't finish at the hoop... The concern should be that Pat will bury him behind Dante, Primo, and Jay Heath, if he's around. That can't happen but might. If he's up to the task he'll play. Denver's strength is knocking down shots so if he's shooting the ball at a high clip he'll get minutes. My guess is he'll be Heath's back up. Of note in the article you guys are responding to Finklestein says "he's not a pg" and if he embraces the fact he's a small 2 he sees him being one of the best players in the conference eventually. If he doesn't break through Primo and Dante won't be the reason he's not playing. His competition will be Riley and Heath. He might be able to grow into a pg role eventually but if you play him there right off the bat you're taking away his greatest strength as a player imo.
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Post by thedragon on May 15, 2022 20:18:43 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of: Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15 Anglin. Bass. Wilson. Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down. Time to revise.. Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley/Anglin (hope yall happy 🤣) 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Mozone 25 / Ezewiro 15 Akok 25 / Ryan 15 We're small. Which is weird to say. But much more athletic. Much more wing length. Will be much easier to switch 1-5 defensively at times. Also should help improve transition game which as much Ewing likes to play fast has been atrociois. And lots of shooters. As much as the whole Ewing gumbo nonsense annoys me - it probably fits this upcoming season. There's a lot of interesting pieces. How they're used and whether they can mesh is obviously a very open question. And no, we don't need either side of the Ewing haters or lovers to chime in. We know where yall stand.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 15, 2022 20:23:57 GMT -5
We still desperately need a starting Center imo. Also, I don't see Anglin getting many minutes unless injuries or other extra curriculars thin the rotation. Im envisioning something in the realm of: Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Akok 25 / Ezewiro 15 Center pick up (25) / Ryan 15 Anglin. Bass. Wilson. Obviously injuries happen / rotations shorten (playing 10 guys is not all that common) / some guys hopefully make a step up . But thTs is my stab how I see minutes breaking down. Time to revise.. Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley/Anglin (hope yall happy 🤣) 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Mozone 25 / Ezewiro 15 Akok 25 / Ryan 15 We're small. Which is weird to say. But much more athletic. Much more wing length. Will be much easier to switch 1-5 defensively at times. Also should help improve transition game which as much Ewing likes to play fast has been atrociois. And lots of shooters. As much as the whole Ewing gumbo nonsense annoys me - it probably fits this upcoming season. There's a lot of interesting pieces. How they're used and whether they can mesh is obviously a very open question. And no, we don't need either side of the Ewing haters or lovers to chime in. We know where yall stand. I really hope Spears is the starter...meaning he has earned it and showed he's a better option then Harris... I just don't feel Harris as a starter is a winning formula...nothing against the kid, I think he can be a valuable piece off the bench but we need better play from that position. Although I am not sure where the minutes are coming from I think Bristol will have much more impact this year then most think...
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2022 7:15:58 GMT -5
So according to the roster table, with Bryson in, we’re at 13 scholarships. What happens with Aminu and/or Q? If he comes, move a player to walk-on, transfer or redshirt?
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Post by professorhoya on May 16, 2022 7:25:27 GMT -5
So according to the roster table, with Bryson in, we’re at 13 scholarships. What happens with Aminu and/or Q? If he comes, move a player to walk-on, transfer or redshirt? Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley/Anglin (hope yall happy 🤣) 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Mozone 25 / Ezewiro 15 Akok 25 / Ryan 15 Isn't that just 11?
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2022 7:31:04 GMT -5
So according to the roster table, with Bryson in, we’re at 13 scholarships. What happens with Aminu and/or Q? If he comes, move a player to walk-on, transfer or redshirt? Harris 25 / Spears 15 Heath 25 / Riley/Anglin (hope yall happy 🤣) 15 Murray 30 / Bristol 10 Mozone 25 / Ezewiro 15 Akok 25 / Ryan 15 Isn't that just 11? hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/17320/recruit-scholarship-tables-15-22Plus Wilson and Bass.
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Post by professorhoya on May 16, 2022 7:36:37 GMT -5
I guess it would have to be Wilson/Riley or Dante in your scenario. If Aminu came back (which is a 1% chance) you make room for him. I wouldn't be happy replacing Wilson (stuck with program) with Q (traitor) even though Q is a big upgrade. That wouldn't sit well with me though these are all scenarios that likely aren't happening.
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Post by prhoya on May 16, 2022 7:43:00 GMT -5
Don’t speculate with names.
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Post by miracles87 on May 16, 2022 9:48:10 GMT -5
We shall see what happens, but one thing is for sure. Those St. John’s, Marquette and UConn style games, where we don’t have the athleticism and depth to hang, are over.
Seems like a great opportunity to use all of this depth, and just press the living bejeebers out of our opponents…
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Post by bluegray79 on May 16, 2022 9:50:51 GMT -5
I really want to be excited and upbeat about what's going on -- just not sure what I'm looking at. I'm hoping that there is real planning & strategy behind all of the moves that the coaches and staff have been making. I so want to believe that the summer and early fall together will make a team of these many moving parts and that we will be better than what some are predicting/expecting (low-middle in the BE). I know you can't tear down and rebuild a program in this way and expect miracles, but I want to know if what I'm seeing is what others see.
SO -- is this what you're seeing? The roster is packed full at the guard positions, thin but looking better at the forward positions, and o.k. at center but it seems everyone would love to add one more big body there. It also seems that there are many more players who have shown that they can hit the 3. It also would appear that from top to bottom the roster is longer, faster, and more athletic. Less clear is how well they play on the defensive side of the ball, but many suggest that the length and athletic ability seems to be there, and we're holding our breath to see if we're really going to make defense a major focus and exactly who is leading that effort on the coaching staff.
OK, one last question: assuming that Coach Ewing is not doing all of this alone, whose voice(s) is he giving most attention to? Is it Nickleberry? Does Crouch have a bigger role than before? What's up with Louie Orr? If it's Nickleberry, what might that possibly mean for a real defensive focus and upgrade? I don't know much about him as a coach. Do we have a real X's and O's guy who will have this collection of able athletes functioning effectively as a unit come November?
Apologies for being a bit scattered and rambling here. Thanks.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 16, 2022 10:06:07 GMT -5
I really want to be excited and upbeat about what's going on -- just not sure what I'm looking at. I'm hoping that there is real planning & strategy behind all of the moves that the coaches and staff have been making. You know better than this.
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Post by hoya73 on May 16, 2022 10:10:37 GMT -5
I really want to be excited and upbeat about what's going on -- just not sure what I'm looking at. I'm hoping that there is real planning & strategy behind all of the moves that the coaches and staff have been making. I so want to believe that the summer and early fall together will make a team of these many moving parts and that we will be better than what some are predicting/expecting (low-middle in the BE). I know you can't tear down and rebuild a program in this way and expect miracles, but I want to know if what I'm seeing is what others see. SO -- is this what you're seeing? The roster is packed full at the guard positions, thin but looking better at the forward positions, and o.k. at center but it seems everyone would love to add one more big body there. It also seems that there are many more players who have shown that they can hit the 3. It also would appear that from top to bottom the roster is longer, faster, and more athletic. Less clear is how well they play on the defensive side of the ball, but many suggest that the length and athletic ability seems to be there, and we're holding our breath to see if we're really going to make defense a major focus and exactly who is leading that effort on the coaching staff. OK, one last question: assuming that Coach Ewing is not doing all of this alone, whose voice(s) is he giving most attention to? Is it Nickleberry? Does Crouch have a bigger role than before? What's up with Louie Orr? If it's Nickleberry, what might that possibly mean for a real defensive focus and upgrade? I don't know much about him as a coach. Do we have a real X's and O's guy who will have this collection of able athletes functioning effectively as a unit come November? Apologies for being a bit scattered and rambling here. Thanks. Lots of great questions, and I don't have answers, or a sneer. Just thinking at least this year, we'll have Kenner to feed our speculation.
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Post by EasyEd on May 16, 2022 11:24:28 GMT -5
Is Kenner definitely on this year?
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 16, 2022 11:25:59 GMT -5
miracles87 - Agree our press is to passive. When I used to press back in the day - you had to double team to make sure there would be an open man and anticipate a steal. Send in waves of guards to create havoc to protect our bigs. Sometimes the best offense is the defense.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on May 16, 2022 11:27:54 GMT -5
Looking at that roster, that’s as talented a roster as you could have hoped to pull together after the disaster that was last year. We’ve easily got a top tier backcourt/wing combo, even without Aminu coming back, and we’ve likely got enough in the frontcourt to compete assuming that Akok is healthy and Mozone is stout enough to play the PF position at times. 5/6 of our transfers were sought out by NCAA teams and the 6th is a solid long term big man project.
Right now, I see our roster in the 4-6 range in the BE and anything less than a bid would be disappointing. Murray should be preseason first/second team, Heath
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Post by madgesiq92 on May 16, 2022 11:37:34 GMT -5
Is Kenner definitely on this year? I can't imagine it is on in McDonough. School is still very Covid restricted---need to submit vax passes to go on campus, and mask mandate still in place. Can't imagine school opens up campus for Kenner.
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Post by SSHoya on May 16, 2022 11:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 16, 2022 12:00:55 GMT -5
Looking at that roster, that’s as talented a roster as you could have hoped to pull together after the disaster that was last year. We’ve easily got a top tier backcourt/wing combo, even without Aminu coming back, and we’ve likely got enough in the frontcourt to compete assuming that Akok is healthy and Mozone is stout enough to play the PF position at times. 5/6 of our transfers were sought out by NCAA teams and the 6th is a solid long term big man project. Right now, I see our roster in the 4-6 range in the BE and anything less than a bid would be disappointing. Murray should be preseason first/second team, Heath Now that is pretty optimistic. I hope you are right but expecting 8 new guys to gel into a top half big east team is aggressive. I think realistically we are about 9th right now. Our talent level was that much lower then everyone else. Now if we believe these are the right transfers we got, then maybe we sneak up to 6th. That would be the last bid in all likelihood from the conference. That would likely be enough to see a year 7 but that also would be contingent on the core of these transfers (Murray, Heath, Akok) sticking around for another year, getting some mix of freshman and transfers, and getting a year two out of this years freshman class (Anglin & Bass). Last year I thought seeing a year two of the freshman class was the key. It's looking like no Aminu, definitely no Billingsley/Beard and a year two out of Mutombo & Riley. That isn't good enough for future freshman classes. We need high level talent coupled with stability to get this thing going in the right direction. I'm still thinking renewing my season tickets for year 22 in a row doesn't make sense at this point.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 16, 2022 12:02:34 GMT -5
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