iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 4, 2023 20:50:46 GMT -5
I got dumped on during the season by a few posters for saying that under a better coach (I believed I used Pitino/Peyton Siva at the time as an example) that Primo could be a great college player. Obviously this is far from coming to fruition - but the schools who are interested should show where talent evaluators think his ceiling is. I would not make that leap without knowing what role those schools see for him. It’s at least possible they see him as deep depth. We shall see.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2023 22:30:16 GMT -5
Do we have clarity on whether he can even play next year as a second time transfer?
Seems odd that this level of school would be Pursuing him unless they believed he could get a waiver.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 4, 2023 22:31:49 GMT -5
The 2nd UCONN game is all the evidence a coach needs that Primo can be reigned in. I don't think Primo will do that every game but I can see him being less 1v1. If what I heard about second UCONN game comes out--you wouldn't look at it or him as favorably. What happened?
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Post by saxagael on Apr 5, 2023 7:48:38 GMT -5
Do we have clarity on whether he can even play next year as a second time transfer? Seems odd that this level of school would be Pursuing him unless they believed he could get a waiver. I would think schools looking at him are thinking he would sit out a year and that would give them time to help his game improve. He can put up shots, but defense is a disaster, running transition is a mess, court vision is poor, doesn't undeerstand how to create for others, nor doesn't pass well. All things that take time and focus with good coaching that can improve. The only way I could see him playing much without sitting out a year is if they move him off ball. But, his defensive liabilities become more problematic as off ball guards are often good scorers and really good defenders.
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Post by hoyajmw on Apr 5, 2023 8:24:18 GMT -5
Do we have clarity on whether he can even play next year as a second time transfer? Seems odd that this level of school would be Pursuing him unless they believed he could get a waiver. I would think schools looking at him are thinking he would sit out a year and that would give them time to help his game improve. He can put up shots, but defense is a disaster, running transition is a mess, court vision is poor, doesn't undeerstand how to create for others, nor doesn't pass well. All things that take time and focus with good coaching that can improve. The only way I could see him playing much without sitting out a year is if they move him off ball. But, his defensive liabilities become more problematic as off ball guards are often good scorers and really good defenders. What you think he needs (and I don’t disagree) and what Primo thinks he needs are two very different things. A coaching change typically all by itself — even before the one free move rule — seems to have been all that is needed to grant a waiver, and I’d be shocked if schools looking at Primo aren’t thinking (or maybe even knowing) they’ll get one, and at worst they’ll end up immediately with a valuable “Microwave” off the bench. Now, Primo doubtless is looking for more than that, but I believe there is less than zero chance he will be thinking “I’ll go someplace where I can sit for a year so my defense can be developed.”
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 5, 2023 10:41:56 GMT -5
If what I heard about second UCONN game comes out--you wouldn't look at it or him as favorably. What happened? Only thing I can think of is players were complaining about the way Primo was dominating the ball and he decided to do the complete opposite. I don't know but it didn't make sense to me that Jackson was limiting Primo's shots to that extreme. I believe Primo can get 10 shots off against any D....I won't to end this post with letting everyone know that this is just me responding hypothetically to madgesiq92's post.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 5, 2023 14:37:24 GMT -5
I would think schools looking at him are thinking he would sit out a year and that would give them time to help his game improve. He can put up shots, but defense is a disaster, running transition is a mess, court vision is poor, doesn't undeerstand how to create for others, nor doesn't pass well. All things that take time and focus with good coaching that can improve. The only way I could see him playing much without sitting out a year is if they move him off ball. But, his defensive liabilities become more problematic as off ball guards are often good scorers and really good defenders. What you think he needs (and I don’t disagree) and what Primo thinks he needs are two very different things. A coaching change typically all by itself — even before the one free move rule — seems to have been all that is needed to grant a waiver, and I’d be shocked if schools looking at Primo aren’t thinking (or maybe even knowing) they’ll get one, and at worst they’ll end up immediately with a valuable “Microwave” off the bench. Now, Primo doubtless is looking for more than that, but I believe there is less than zero chance he will be thinking “I’ll go someplace where I can sit for a year so my defense can be developed.” Oh, I completely agree. I don't think Primo thinks he needs improvement on defense nor any other area.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 5, 2023 14:38:18 GMT -5
Only thing I can think of is players were complaining about the way Primo was dominating the ball and he decided to do the complete opposite. I don't know but it didn't make sense to me that Jackson was limiting Primo's shots to that extreme. I believe Primo can get 10 shots off against any D....I won't to end this post with letting everyone know that this is just me responding hypothetically to madgesiq92's post. Additionally was doing the opposite of what the coaches were yelling as instruction.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 6, 2023 7:45:28 GMT -5
Shocking that a team first guy like Primo would have gone into business for himself…
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 6, 2023 8:01:26 GMT -5
Only thing I can think of is players were complaining about the way Primo was dominating the ball and he decided to do the complete opposite. I don't know but it didn't make sense to me that Jackson was limiting Primo's shots to that extreme. I believe Primo can get 10 shots off against any D....I won't to end this post with letting everyone know that this is just me responding hypothetically to madgesiq92's post. Additionally was doing the opposite of what the coaches were yelling as instruction. Well if this is the case, it's more evidence that Ewing and staff needed to go. I actually believe that this was one of Primos better games on the offensive end. He didn't score much but he ran the team efficiently and we went toe to toe with UCONN. Maybe he did some rouge things late that caused us to lose the game. I don't know but I was happy with his play.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 6, 2023 13:50:37 GMT -5
Additionally was doing the opposite of what the coaches were yelling as instruction. Well if this is the case, it's more evidence that Ewing and staff needed to go. I actually believe that this was one of Primos better games on the offensive end. He didn't score much but he ran the team efficiently and we went toe to toe with UCONN. Maybe he did some rouge things late that caused us to lose the game. I don't know but I was happy with his play. One of the things I was fascinated by with Primo and the Ewing staff, was what he would talk about in pre-game sessions about what they coaches wanted him to work on and improve on, but also pretty much the same instructions being delivered from the sidelines to him during games. Primo played pretty much the opposite of what he was being instructed to do and what he would say were the goals to meet. Granted making the types of changes he needed to make isn't easy and can take more than a season and incredibly good instruction and mentoring. But, for the most part Primo was still playing the same all season. He may change his game up for part of a half, where he would move the ball much better (passing accuracy isn't a strength he has yet, nor strong passes, nor alley oop passes) and drive and distribute. But, this would disappear. You sort of nailed the point where I got fed up with Ewing and all the coaching staff (I still like Crouch and his stills and technique instruction) as a lot of the fate of second half leads came down to Primo's play and stopping doing the things that worked to get the leads and turn to heavy on ball time. Seeing the exact same problem and no change and not sitting Primo, when Heath (while not a point guard) could actually call and run plays and the ball moved and Hoyas scored more easily (similar for Anglin). Not seeing any growth or change in his game (for the most part) and the same instructions were being given was the sign of serious problems with player selection (from recruiting and retention to in-game rotations), coaching, player growth, and many more basics of coaching.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on May 3, 2023 11:29:22 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on May 3, 2023 13:10:41 GMT -5
Good fit. Hope things work out for him there.
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