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Post by dense on Apr 25, 2024 7:58:35 GMT -5
The big names and those on the fence of the draft will be jumping in the next 6 days. Starting to see it with White from Wilmington and Lamont Butler of SDSt. I hear Kalkbrenner might be next. Kadary Richmond of course.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 25, 2024 15:01:19 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Apr 25, 2024 16:04:05 GMT -5
Rumored to be a Pitino poach job.
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 25, 2024 20:31:45 GMT -5
Rumored to be a Pitino poach job. The notion of poaching is so 2022
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Post by thedragon on Apr 25, 2024 21:57:11 GMT -5
Rumored to be a Pitino poach job. The notion of poaching is so 2022 Im not knockin' it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 26, 2024 6:36:05 GMT -5
No surprise here.
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Post by 104pleasant on Apr 26, 2024 6:52:36 GMT -5
John Fanta @john_Fanta One high major coach to me on the state of college basketball:
“It’s a f#%king disaster. For us veteran coaches, this is not what we signed up for. I am not mad at the kids one bit. They’re seeking their value and earning money, and I think they should. It’s your right to get paid. I would do the same thing that they’re doing. Anybody mad at the kids is foolish. But shame on the NCAA for not seeing this coming years ago and being proactive. Not having a boundary or a system in place at all, having no regulations to even attempt to find a common playing field is a major miss. These collectives will get coaches fired. We have had no break. Not one coach in the country has had a single day to sit down and breathe. It’s unhealthy. The other issue is you get attrition when you get commitments. Another kid sees someone commit, dislikes the idea of fighting for their role on a team and wants to bolt elsewhere. We can’t do this every single year. Kids should make big dollars. But the way this is set up right now with no contracts or regulations makes it impossible to sustain anything in this sport.”
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2024 7:09:29 GMT -5
x.com/John_Fanta/status/1783607291343724820John Fanta @john_Fanta One high major coach to me on the state of college basketball: “It’s a f#%king disaster. For us veteran coaches, this is not what we signed up for. I am not mad at the kids one bit. They’re seeking their value and earning money, and I think they should. It’s your right to get paid. I would do the same thing that they’re doing. Anybody mad at the kids is foolish. But shame on the NCAA for not seeing this coming years ago and being proactive. Not having a boundary or a system in place at all, having no regulations to even attempt to find a common playing field is a major miss. These collectives will get coaches fired. We have had no break. Not one coach in the country has had a single day to sit down and breathe. It’s unhealthy. The other issue is you get attrition when you get commitments. Another kid sees someone commit, dislikes the idea of fighting for their role on a team and wants to bolt elsewhere. We can’t do this every single year. Kids should make big dollars. But the way this is set up right now with no contracts or regulations makes it impossible to sustain anything in this sport.” Why do you think Jay Wright bolted immediately. Can't redshirt 4 star kids like he had been doing.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 26, 2024 7:53:30 GMT -5
x.com/John_Fanta/status/1783607291343724820John Fanta @john_Fanta One high major coach to me on the state of college basketball: “It’s a f#%king disaster. For us veteran coaches, this is not what we signed up for. I am not mad at the kids one bit. They’re seeking their value and earning money, and I think they should. It’s your right to get paid. I would do the same thing that they’re doing. Anybody mad at the kids is foolish. But shame on the NCAA for not seeing this coming years ago and being proactive. Not having a boundary or a system in place at all, having no regulations to even attempt to find a common playing field is a major miss. These collectives will get coaches fired. We have had no break. Not one coach in the country has had a single day to sit down and breathe. It’s unhealthy. The other issue is you get attrition when you get commitments. Another kid sees someone commit, dislikes the idea of fighting for their role on a team and wants to bolt elsewhere. We can’t do this every single year. Kids should make big dollars. But the way this is set up right now with no contracts or regulations makes it impossible to sustain anything in this sport.” This coach is 99% correct, since it was anonymous anyway it would have been better if he called out the Board of Governors instead of the "NCAA". The Board makes the rules decisions, the NCAA tries to enforce them. The system is out of control due to the greed of the administrations of the powerful member programs.
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dense
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Post by dense on Apr 26, 2024 7:57:38 GMT -5
Expect the Kadary to sign with St. John's today. Posh to Seton Hall
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 26, 2024 11:22:32 GMT -5
x.com/John_Fanta/status/1783607291343724820John Fanta @john_Fanta One high major coach to me on the state of college basketball: “It’s a f#%king disaster. For us veteran coaches, this is not what we signed up for. I am not mad at the kids one bit. They’re seeking their value and earning money, and I think they should. It’s your right to get paid. I would do the same thing that they’re doing. Anybody mad at the kids is foolish. But shame on the NCAA for not seeing this coming years ago and being proactive. Not having a boundary or a system in place at all, having no regulations to even attempt to find a common playing field is a major miss. These collectives will get coaches fired. We have had no break. Not one coach in the country has had a single day to sit down and breathe. It’s unhealthy. The other issue is you get attrition when you get commitments. Another kid sees someone commit, dislikes the idea of fighting for their role on a team and wants to bolt elsewhere. We can’t do this every single year. Kids should make big dollars. But the way this is set up right now with no contracts or regulations makes it impossible to sustain anything in this sport.” This coach is 99% correct, since it was anonymous anyway it would have been better if he called out the Board of Governors instead of the "NCAA". The Board makes the rules decisions, the NCAA tries to enforce them. The system is out of control due to the greed of the administrations of the powerful member programs. I feel like they need to go to a 2yr contract and only 1 un-penalized transfer(unless coach leaves/is fired). This WW West does feel like it can't be sustained.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 26, 2024 11:58:24 GMT -5
This coach is 99% correct, since it was anonymous anyway it would have been better if he called out the Board of Governors instead of the "NCAA". The Board makes the rules decisions, the NCAA tries to enforce them. The system is out of control due to the greed of the administrations of the powerful member programs. I feel like they need to go to a 2yr contract and only 1 un-penalized transfer(unless coach leaves/is fired). This WW West does feel like it can't be sustained. I don't think limiting (penalizing) transfers will work, will be challenged in court as restraint of trade.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 26, 2024 11:59:01 GMT -5
x.com/John_Fanta/status/1783607291343724820John Fanta @john_Fanta One high major coach to me on the state of college basketball: “It’s a f#%king disaster. For us veteran coaches, this is not what we signed up for. I am not mad at the kids one bit. They’re seeking their value and earning money, and I think they should. It’s your right to get paid. I would do the same thing that they’re doing. Anybody mad at the kids is foolish. But shame on the NCAA for not seeing this coming years ago and being proactive. Not having a boundary or a system in place at all, having no regulations to even attempt to find a common playing field is a major miss. These collectives will get coaches fired. We have had no break. Not one coach in the country has had a single day to sit down and breathe. It’s unhealthy. The other issue is you get attrition when you get commitments. Another kid sees someone commit, dislikes the idea of fighting for their role on a team and wants to bolt elsewhere. We can’t do this every single year. Kids should make big dollars. But the way this is set up right now with no contracts or regulations makes it impossible to sustain anything in this sport.” Why do you think Jay Wright bolted immediately. Can't redshirt 4 star kids like he had been doing. Not doubt that Jay Wright saw what was coming...and decided he didn't want to coach in that environment. Can't say that I blame him.
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 26, 2024 12:08:34 GMT -5
This coach is 99% correct, since it was anonymous anyway it would have been better if he called out the Board of Governors instead of the "NCAA". The Board makes the rules decisions, the NCAA tries to enforce them. The system is out of control due to the greed of the administrations of the powerful member programs. I feel like they need to go to a 2yr contract and only 1 un-penalized transfer(unless coach leaves/is fired). This WW West does feel like it can't be sustained. That would’ve required those up top in the NCAA and Board of Governors to be competent and thinking forward instead of fighting tooth and nail to the bitter end and then have no plan. The fallout could’ve been way more manageable if they prepared well thought out rules and regulations in preparation for the case that overturned it all. Rules like: when a high school player signs they have a two year contract unless the coach is fired, only 1 free transfer until you graduate then you get another unless the coach is fired, etc. This would’ve at least given them a head-start instead of looking incompetent and being on the back foot all of the time which invites challenges to every roadblock they put up. The two year contracts in particular could be good at least the initial one for high school recruits and it could’ve been shielded by the reasoning that ok if you quit basketball, devastating injury or transfer down at least you are basically at an associate’s degree in juco. Would it still be messy? Sure but at least there is a chance to develop freshmen a bit in two years instead of now which has me thinking in future classes why even take more than a couple high school players? Something needs to be done
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 26, 2024 12:26:59 GMT -5
I feel like they need to go to a 2yr contract and only 1 un-penalized transfer(unless coach leaves/is fired). This WW West does feel like it can't be sustained. That would’ve required those up top in the NCAA and Board of Governors to be competent and thinking forward instead of fighting tooth and nail to the bitter end and then have no plan. The fallout could’ve been way more manageable if they prepared well thought out rules and regulations in preparation for the case that overturned it all. Rules like: when a high school player signs they have a two year contract unless the coach is fired, only 1 free transfer until you graduate then you get another unless the coach is fired, etc. This would’ve at least given them a head-start instead of looking incompetent and being on the back foot all of the time which invites challenges to every roadblock they put up. The two year contracts in particular could be good at least the initial one for high school recruits and it could’ve been shielded by the reasoning that ok if you quit basketball, devastating injury or transfer down at least you are basically at an associate’s degree in juco. Would it still be messy? Sure but at least there is a chance to develop freshmen a bit in two years instead of now which has me thinking in future classes why even take more than a couple high school players? Something needs to be done I'm not sure that any of this would work without a CBA (there are a lot of tricky legal issues relating to competition that really can only be resolved through collective bargaining). And CBA means a recognition of full professionalism--which it seems that the NCAA, and more importantly many of its member institutions, are loath to do.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 26, 2024 13:34:20 GMT -5
Universities now cannot sign contracts with players because--even though it's a charade--the guys are student-athletes attending universities. They are not employees and they are not paid by their university (on paper). So, there is no basis on which to make a contract. If universities paid players directly, it would be a different story, but I imagine that raises a whole host of other issues.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Apr 26, 2024 15:20:23 GMT -5
Universities now cannot sign contracts with players because--even though it's a charade--the guys are student-athletes attending universities. They are not employees and they are not paid by their university (on paper). So, there is no basis on which to make a contract. If universities paid players directly, it would be a different story, but I imagine that raises a whole host of other issues. NIL deals with re-enrollment bonuses?
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Post by hoyaboya on May 1, 2024 12:21:20 GMT -5
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