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Post by saxagael on Apr 16, 2024 12:54:49 GMT -5
The largest problem this caused is it created a backlog and fewer scholarship spots and the first couple years really put a lot of players deeply out of playing time. I chatted with a couple players in the portal and they went into it because they were not getting minutes in their first two years. The first year was expected to not see much time, but the fifth year players kept limited minutes and programs picking up 4th and 5th year players from the portal pushed back their time. Both said all of the players they knew in the portal who are 2nd and 3rd year players are all mostly looking for minutes. It could be a lot of the portal churn is directly related to the 5th year. Many programs that weren't regular teams that would red shirt players and had solid plans for how to train and grow a player in a red shirt year had players red shirting and not only not improving them, but not helping them keep their skills up. Teams that have normally had a couple players red shirt and are good at keeping them involved and work hard to help them keep and grow their skills have been the few that didn't really hit these issues. Those that sort of benefitted are the 3rd, 4th, and 5th year players who got minutes. But, the oddity is the NBA draft isn't better and with this year's rather thin draft at the top end I don't think the extra year helped players move on to the next level (thin drafts are a cycle and happen) The other problem it caused is fewer slots for freshman coming in as the same number of scholarships exiist (extep the first year the 5th year was added game schools the option to bring 5th year players and not have them count toward the cap. This really hurt a lot of players the last two to three years coming into D1 as there were fewer slots. I know a few players that were in long recruiting discussions about scholarships and got to the end and the schools were keeping one to three 5th years and there weren't usual scholarships available. I'm really looking forward to the 5th year going away and in a two or three years getting back to the full usual cycle being back for the player's sake who are coming in. I'd bet the players you're speaking with are on HM teams right? If so we already know how cut throat it is, I have news for them it wasn't the availability of 5th year players that kept them on the bench. Folks on the board advise players to drop down a level all the time, there are plenty of spots & time available there. The portal rage will continue after this year and because of it a lot of kids will get lost in the slog and the game will be worse off due to the fact that the elite kids still won't go to college like they used to. Both should have done well if the 5th year wasn't in place, both were straight up told that by their coaches this year. One was HM and the other mid-tier HM. One of the guys who didn't get the D1 offer was looking at long discussion to red shirt at a Big East team that had loved to red shirt guards and grow them, a player staying a 5th year meant no slot. There are players that should drop a level and other who go in to a program knowing the first year they may not get a lot of time but 2nd year should see time open up. That is the normal pattern with four years. Also NCAA tournament viewership has been down. Players opting into the draft that have high upside often hit the draft after their second year. The number of those players is down as they aren't getting time at a lot of programs that normally play heavy 2 year and 3 year players. The NBA draft often picks on skill now with how much upside. With 5th year players they are mostly perceived as there really isn't much upside left and are a pass. The 5th year diliuted quality. It needed to be done, but is also needs to go for the sake of the players and the quality of college ball. |
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 16, 2024 13:42:02 GMT -5
I'd bet the players you're speaking with are on HM teams right? If so we already know how cut throat it is, I have news for them it wasn't the availability of 5th year players that kept them on the bench. Folks on the board advise players to drop down a level all the time, there are plenty of spots & time available there. The portal rage will continue after this year and because of it a lot of kids will get lost in the slog and the game will be worse off due to the fact that the elite kids still won't go to college like they used to. Both should have done well if the 5th year wasn't in place, both were straight up told that by their coaches this year. One was HM and the other mid-tier HM. One of the guys who didn't get the D1 offer was looking at long discussion to red shirt at a Big East team that had loved to red shirt guards and grow them, a player staying a 5th year meant no slot. There are players that should drop a level and other who go in to a program knowing the first year they may not get a lot of time but 2nd year should see time open up. That is the normal pattern with four years. Also NCAA tournament viewership has been down. Players opting into the draft that have high upside often hit the draft after their second year. The number of those players is down as they aren't getting time at a lot of programs that normally play heavy 2 year and 3 year players. The NBA draft often picks on skill now with how much upside. With 5th year players they are mostly perceived as there really isn't much upside left and are a pass. The 5th year diliuted quality. It needed to be done, but is also needs to go for the sake of the players and the quality of college ball. Tournament games seemed pretty good to me the last couple of years besides UCONN dominating everybody and as a P6 player you know what it is either be productive or coaches are looking to upgrade that spot |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2024 14:12:21 GMT -5
The problem with college basketball transitioning to a professional game, especially with this level of movement, is that its positioning as a sport is dead.
Why did people watch college basketball? There are a number of reasons: they just love basketball, they have a tie to the University, they don't have a pro team nearby, and they appreciate players playing for passion and glory over money, they like to see young players grow and develop. There's an intensity to college ball that can be lacking in an everyday NBA game.
By making it professional and having almost no player continuity, it breaks a LOT of what differentiated it from the NBA. The mercenary aspect reduces the tie to the University, reduces the passion/effort angle, and really breaks individual ties to players.
Oh, if you just love basketball, or if you live in Fayetteville and Arkansas is good, etc., you're still going to watch. But I've seen teams worn down by constant player attrition and constant losses of good players; the fanbases don't survive (see: the Oakland A's).
It's in real danger of becoming minor league basketball.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 16, 2024 14:31:44 GMT -5
The problem with college basketball transitioning to a professional game, especially with this level of movement, is that its positioning as a sport is dead. Why did people watch college basketball? There are a number of reasons: they just love basketball, they have a tie to the University, they don't have a pro team nearby, and they appreciate players playing for passion and glory over money, they like to see young players grow and develop. There's an intensity to college ball that can be lacking in an everyday NBA game. By making it professional and having almost no player continuity, it breaks a LOT of what differentiated it from the NBA. The mercenary aspect reduces the tie to the University, reduces the passion/effort angle, and really breaks individual ties to players. Oh, if you just love basketball, or if you live in Fayetteville and Arkansas is good, etc., you're still going to watch. But I've seen teams worn down by constant player attrition and constant losses of good players; the fanbases don't survive (see: the Oakland A's). It's in real danger of becoming minor league basketball. AMEN!!! |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Apr 16, 2024 14:37:31 GMT -5
The problem with college basketball transitioning to a professional game, especially with this level of movement, is that its positioning as a sport is dead. Why did people watch college basketball? There are a number of reasons: they just love basketball, they have a tie to the University, they don't have a pro team nearby, and they appreciate players playing for passion and glory over money, they like to see young players grow and develop. There's an intensity to college ball that can be lacking in an everyday NBA game. By making it professional and having almost no player continuity, it breaks a LOT of what differentiated it from the NBA. The mercenary aspect reduces the tie to the University, reduces the passion/effort angle, and really breaks individual ties to players. Oh, if you just love basketball, or if you live in Fayetteville and Arkansas is good, etc., you're still going to watch. But I've seen teams worn down by constant player attrition and constant losses of good players; the fanbases don't survive (see: the Oakland A's). It's in real danger of becoming minor league basketball. Yep, 100% correct. What it's turning into is still not completely clear, but what is clear is that the sport I grew up loving is basically gone. |
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Post by thedragon on Apr 16, 2024 15:20:18 GMT -5
Personally, while I agree the product suffers - I don't in any way see it as the demise of CBB. The trends would speak to quite the contrary. Viewership is up. Media deal Dollars are up. Even the women's cbb game is bursting onto the scene. The NCAA tournament remains a wildly successful venture that is growing not downsizing.
The vast majority of teams are in non professional markets, especially the top tier, so seeing a 1M+ dollar college player in Providence or Syracuse or Lexington or Hartford or Stillwater or Athens or Eugene or Auburn would be a boon not a bust. Their version of a #1 pick. Players who might very well left for NBA earlier now have to reconsider the value of staying in college (albeit at likely a different school)
The amateurish draw of CBB is dead and gone - but I think the draw in totality will only keep increasing.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 19, 2024 11:10:45 GMT -5
Denver Anglin in the portal
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 19, 2024 13:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2024 17:48:05 GMT -5
Denver Anglin in the portal Also Jordan Riley who was at Temple and seemed to play well there. I'm beginning to think all the Ewing players have a serial portal problem. Althrough Brandon Murray seems to be staying put. |
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Post by saxagael on Apr 19, 2024 17:50:58 GMT -5
Seeing Quincy Allen jumped in the portal from JMU and his 3pt shooting has been .365 or so, which is about what Styles was at Georgetown (in games Epps didn't play Styles was over .400 from 3). Adding another three point shooter with good catch and shoot on the wing would be really nice. McKenna is the only potential solid option for 3s at the moment, along with Fielder.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2024 18:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 19, 2024 19:32:51 GMT -5
Seeing Quincy Allen jumped in the portal from JMU and his 3pt shooting has been .365 or so, which is about what Styles was at Georgetown (in games Epps didn't play Styles was over .400 from 3). Adding another three point shooter with good catch and shoot on the wing would be really nice. McKenna is the only potential solid option for 3s at the moment, along with Fielder. He only took 11 3s last season and played in 8 games, was he injured? |
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Apr 19, 2024 23:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 20, 2024 0:32:04 GMT -5
Funnily enough, Jordan and Dante were two of my favorite Ewing Hoyas and I was looking forward to Denver. I was disappointed they both left Georgetown…I’ll always wonder what it looked like behind the curtain those years but I don’t blame either for getting out from what it became. I think all 3 have skills that would be an addition to next year’s squad.* *Assuming they’d know their role, NIL is reasonable, and they decided to stick around until the end of their college career and be a Hoya. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 10:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Apr 24, 2024 15:12:50 GMT -5
Brandon Murray jumped in the portal again, but most of Ole Miss seemed to have hopped in the portal this week. Murray also lost serious weight. |
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Apr 24, 2024 15:36:13 GMT -5
I saw where Brandon Murray was transferring yesterday on one of the sites.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 24, 2024 15:40:51 GMT -5
If this is true, transfers like Akok Akok's, which came in the summer, are no longer permitted. |
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Post by saxagael on Apr 24, 2024 15:49:41 GMT -5
If this is true, transfers like Akok Akok's, which came in the summer, are no longer permitted. For clarity this is to enter the portal not come out of it. Players can be picked up out of the portal until school starts (or the end of the first week of classes). Other than this tweet I haven't seen another mention of the grad transfer entry having a closing date. There were two exceptions to the May cutoff date, grad transfers and players whose head coach left the team. [edit] After finding the April 17th NCAA amended transfer rules, grad transfers do have the same cutoff date to enter the portal as other players. There are still two exceptions to the cutoff date: Players whose head coach left; Players whose school dropped the sport. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 24, 2024 21:52:44 GMT -5
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