bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 5, 2022 21:24:13 GMT -5
I thought you would understand that it’s impossible to determine either way. IMO, another coach would have us around .500 and not have the embarrassing OOC losses to Dartmouth et al. What BE schools would you say we were more talented then last year? Can you list them here? Are you asking for a comparison based on how the team played under Ewing or what it could have been with proper coaching?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 21:41:41 GMT -5
What BE schools would you say we were more talented then last year? Can you list them here? Are you asking for a comparison based on how the team played under Ewing or what it could have been with proper coaching? On paper
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Post by prhoya on Apr 5, 2022 22:12:25 GMT -5
I thought you would understand that it’s impossible to determine either way. IMO, another coach would have us around .500 and not have the embarrassing OOC losses to Dartmouth et al. What BE schools would you say we were more talented then last year? Can you list them here? .500 or in other words 10 BE wins seems really ambitious considering the talent in the roster. You’re thinking that another coach would have the same offensive and defensive schemes as Pat? Another coach wouldn’t have a BE-worst record of five years ranked above 300 in defense. Another coach would have an offense designed for college players, not NBA pros. Another coach would have another set of assistant coaches. With 2 top-of-the-league shooters, Aminu, an experienced guard controlled by the new coach, the emergence of CH, JB and Ryan, and our centers not used in defense as something they are not, we could’ve been better than DePaul, SJU, Butler and Xavier. A 7th place in the BE is around .500. Maybe another coach gives more playing time to Kobe and Tyler, he retains them, they develop, stay four years, and provide the backbone of the team going forward. But, no, it’s Year 5 and we’re back to Start from scratch/Rebuilding Year #5. But back to Mike Pegues, if Aminu leaves, we’ll have only 5 returning players again. Or are we not done with the out-going transfers? Plenty of work ahead in recruiting!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 22:59:58 GMT -5
What BE schools would you say we were more talented then last year? Can you list them here? .500 or in other words 10 BE wins seems really ambitious considering the talent in the roster. You’re thinking that another coach would have the same offensive and defensive schemes as Pat? Another coach wouldn’t have a BE-worst record of five years ranked above 300 in defense. Another coach would have an offense designed for college players, not NBA pros. Another coach would have another set of assistant coaches. With 2 top-of-the-league shooters, Aminu, an experienced guard controlled by the new coach, the emergence of CH, JB and Ryan, and our centers not used in defense as something they are not, we could’ve been better than DePaul, SJU, Butler and Xavier, and steal some wins from the top 6 here and there. Maybe another coach gives more playing time to Kobe and Tyler, he retains them, they develop, stay four years, and provide the backbone of the team going forward. But, no, it’s Year 5 and we’re back to Start from scratch/Rebuilding Year #5. But back to Mike Pegues, if Aminu leaves, we’ll have only 5 returning players again. Plenty of work ahead in recruiting! Interesting… You would prefer our roster over a starting five of Scruggs, Nate Johnson, Colby Jones, Zach Fremantle and Jack Nunge? Mannn idk… That’s a really talented roster imo.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2022 0:35:47 GMT -5
You’re thinking that another coach would have the same offensive and defensive schemes as Pat? Another coach wouldn’t have a BE-worst record of five years ranked above 300 in defense. Another coach would have an offense designed for college players, not NBA pros. Another coach would have another set of assistant coaches. With 2 top-of-the-league shooters, Aminu, an experienced guard controlled by the new coach, the emergence of CH, JB and Ryan, and our centers not used in defense as something they are not, we could’ve been better than DePaul, SJU, Butler and Xavier, and steal some wins from the top 6 here and there. Maybe another coach gives more playing time to Kobe and Tyler, he retains them, they develop, stay four years, and provide the backbone of the team going forward. But, no, it’s Year 5 and we’re back to Start from scratch/Rebuilding Year #5. But back to Mike Pegues, if Aminu leaves, we’ll have only 5 returning players again. Plenty of work ahead in recruiting! Interesting… You would prefer our roster over a starting five of Scruggs, Nate Johnson, Colby Jones, Zach Fremantle and Jack Nunge? Mannn idk… That’s a really talented roster imo. That group needed a different coach.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 1:00:18 GMT -5
Interesting… You would prefer our roster over a starting five of Scruggs, Nate Johnson, Colby Jones, Zach Fremantle and Jack Nunge? Mannn idk… That’s a really talented roster imo. That group needed a different coach. Idk man I don’t think there’s a coach in the league that would take our roster over theirs. It would probably be Ewing’s best or second best roster after Akinjo’s Soph season before departures. We’re talking about a team that should have made the tourney and won the NIT. You’re basically saying a better coach would have turned this roster into a tourney team. I respect your opinion but I don’t see it.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2022 1:07:11 GMT -5
That group needed a different coach. Idk man I don’t think there’s a coach in the league that would take our roster over theirs. It would probably be Ewing’s best or second best roster after Akinjo’s Soph season before departures. We’re talking about a team that should have made the tourney and won the NIT. You’re basically saying a better coach would have turned this roster into a tourney team. I respect your opinion but I don’t see it. I would say bubble, but clear NIT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 1:08:25 GMT -5
Idk man I don’t think there’s a coach in the league that would take our roster over theirs. It would probably be Ewing’s best or second best roster after Akinjo’s Soph season before departures. We’re talking about a team that should have made the tourney and won the NIT. You’re basically saying a better coach would have turned this roster into a tourney team. I respect your opinion but I don’t see it. I would say bubble, but clear NIT. A 10 win team in BE this year is a tournament team. X won 8 games and was in if they don't implode against Butler in the B.E.T.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2022 1:11:43 GMT -5
I would say bubble, but clear NIT. A 10 win team in BE this year is a tournament team. X won 8 games and was in if they don't implode against Butler in the B.E.T. Yes, that’s why I said “around .500”. If it’s 10 wins, it’s in. If it’s 8 wins, no.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 6, 2022 2:20:00 GMT -5
Not sure we get to.500 in the Big East even if Nickelberry lands some kids. We are a long way from.500 and other teams are working to improve.
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Post by 617hoya on Apr 6, 2022 7:45:40 GMT -5
Considering some of the follow-up replies by fullcourtpress in here I am questioning the validity of this rumor. Hope that I am wrong.
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Post by Filo on Apr 6, 2022 8:44:56 GMT -5
I am just here for the FUGAZI reference above. Great band. Check out Waiting Room - such a great song and it fits here. Just waiting...
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Post by cas92 on Apr 6, 2022 8:49:48 GMT -5
I am just here for the FUGAZI reference above. Great band. Check out Waiting Room - such a great song and it fits here. Just waiting... Georgetown nexus - Guy Picciotto (second guitar) is a GU alumnus (English degree). And the Dischord House still remains in Arlington, VA.
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 6, 2022 9:01:45 GMT -5
A better coach wouldn’t have had this roster to begin with.
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Post by 617hoya on Apr 6, 2022 9:30:52 GMT -5
A better coach wouldn’t have had this roster to begin with. Exactly. The above argument about “Well what other coach would have won more games with this roster?” is a flawed argument, because the talent level falls on Ewing’s shoulders. The buck stops with him, at every turn.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 6, 2022 9:44:33 GMT -5
A 10 win team in BE this year is a tournament team. X won 8 games and was in if they don't implode against Butler in the B.E.T. Yes, that’s why I said “around .500”. If it’s 10 wins, it’s in. If it’s 8 wins, no. Another way to look at it is to not look at record, which can be misleading, but rather to think of it in term of ranking. Georgetown, this year, finished at 175 on KenPom. Only 3 teams in high major conferences were worse off: Pittsburgh at 195, Georgia (fired Crean) at 219, and Oregon State at 233. Georgetown's defense was ranked 228. The only teams in major conferences with worse defense were: NC State (246), Georgia (318), Oregon State (320). Would another coach have been able to substantially improve on these numbers? I say absolutely because there are mid-majors with way better ratings and rankings that had similar or worse talent than ours. So, a better coach clearly would have made a big difference. To bring it back on topic, this is why I say that bringing someone like Mike Pegues on really only helps at the margins. Sure, better talent will yield better performance (and in all likelihood we will be better next year by default since we were so bad this year), but the real work needs to be done in actually teaching and coaching our guys. If we bring in another assistant to help on those aspects, I would be more optimistic. But, there's only so far talent can get us (since we aren't bringing in a whole roster of 5 stars). Also, there have been other coaches who have brought in excellent talent (like Pastner at Memphis) who have nonetheless failed (albeit much better than our performance last year).
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Post by hoya73 on Apr 6, 2022 10:21:51 GMT -5
Yes, that’s why I said “around .500”. If it’s 10 wins, it’s in. If it’s 8 wins, no. Another way to look at it is to not look at record, which can be misleading, but rather to think of it in term of ranking. Georgetown, this year, finished at 175 on KenPom. Only 3 teams in high major conferences were worse off: Pittsburgh at 195, Georgia (fired Crean) at 219, and Oregon State at 233. Georgetown's defense was ranked 228. The only teams in major conferences with worse defense were: NC State (246), Georgia (318), Oregon State (320). Would another coach have been able to substantially improve on these numbers? I say absolutely because there are mid-majors with way better ratings and rankings that had similar or worse talent than ours. So, a better coach clearly would have made a big difference. To bring it back on topic, this is why I say that bringing someone like Mike Pegues on really only helps at the margins. Sure, better talent will yield better performance (and in all likelihood we will be better next year by default since we were so bad this year), but the real work needs to be done in actually teaching and coaching our guys. If we bring in another assistant to help on those aspects, I would be more optimistic. But, there's only so far talent can get us (since we aren't bringing in a whole roster of 5 stars). Also, there have been other coaches who have brought in excellent talent (like Pastner at Memphis) who have nonetheless failed (albeit much better than our performance last year). Thank you for at least mentioning Pegues in his thread. On Pegues, several have mentioned that he is "just a recruiter" If that were true, why did Louisville choose him and not one of the others as interim coach when Mack departed, if he was just a recruiter?
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Post by footahh on Apr 6, 2022 10:36:30 GMT -5
Pegues isn't just a recruiter. I'm quite sure his main praise has concerned big man development but if you look back at those 6 years at Xavier, they were very guard and wing dependent and Reynolds and Stainbrook were the really only competent big men.
But if you look at Louisville, there certainly wasn't a ton of development in their frontcourt and that group quit on him when he got the reigns.
Is he probably the best we can do right now? Yes. Does he move the needle and patch up Ewing's shortcomings? Far from it.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 6, 2022 10:37:20 GMT -5
Another way to look at it is to not look at record, which can be misleading, but rather to think of it in term of ranking. Georgetown, this year, finished at 175 on KenPom. Only 3 teams in high major conferences were worse off: Pittsburgh at 195, Georgia (fired Crean) at 219, and Oregon State at 233. Georgetown's defense was ranked 228. The only teams in major conferences with worse defense were: NC State (246), Georgia (318), Oregon State (320). Would another coach have been able to substantially improve on these numbers? I say absolutely because there are mid-majors with way better ratings and rankings that had similar or worse talent than ours. So, a better coach clearly would have made a big difference. To bring it back on topic, this is why I say that bringing someone like Mike Pegues on really only helps at the margins. Sure, better talent will yield better performance (and in all likelihood we will be better next year by default since we were so bad this year), but the real work needs to be done in actually teaching and coaching our guys. If we bring in another assistant to help on those aspects, I would be more optimistic. But, there's only so far talent can get us (since we aren't bringing in a whole roster of 5 stars). Also, there have been other coaches who have brought in excellent talent (like Pastner at Memphis) who have nonetheless failed (albeit much better than our performance last year). Thank you for at least mentioning Pegues in his thread. On Pegues, several have mentioned that he is "just a recruiter" If that were true, why did Louisville choose him and not one of the others as interim coach when Mack departed, if he was just a recruiter? He was Mack's top assistant @ Xavier & L'ville. Can't speak for others but I don't think he's just a recruiter, I'm saying PE is looking for recruiting 1st & foremost. Mack has stated that he was the big man coach at both Xavier & L'ville btw..
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 6, 2022 10:50:03 GMT -5
Negotiations are certainly dragging, aren't they? Got all the time in the world, I guess.
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