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Post by Buckets on Feb 15, 2022 7:22:47 GMT -5
We have selected few people that come on thread just to see coach Ewing and the team fail. There’s no words of encouragement. The team is struggling it’s a bad season. It happens in life when things are not going well. Yes, I understand everyone has the right to express their opinion and we are sport fans. The coach is to be held accountable. But come on guys this team is young, inexperienced and not very good right now. What is your idea of the couch being held accountable?
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 15, 2022 7:41:12 GMT -5
We have selected few people that come on thread just to see coach Ewing and the team fail. There’s no words of encouragement. The team is struggling it’s a bad season. It happens in life when things are not going well. Yes, I understand everyone has the right to express their opinion and we are sport fans. The coach is to be held accountable. But come on guys this team is young, inexperienced and not very good right now. The problem is, when you look at the players who get the lion’s share of minutes, we are not that young, and not that inexperienced. We just aren’t a cohesive unit, play a lot of 1-on-1 basketball, and though the defense looked better at times during this game, we still give up way too many easy looks. Sure athleticism makes up for some defensive deficiencies, at the end of the day defense is taught/coached. It’s not something you can put extra hours in the gym working on like jump shooting or ball handling. And even great individual defenders can play bad team defense if the strategy is wrong. We have not, nor do I think we ever will be, a strong defensive team under Ewing. I’m sure he knows exactly how he envisions the team playing but at the end of the day his message is not getting across.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 15, 2022 7:44:45 GMT -5
The defense may have looked better but it was really horrible. They gave up 1.15 PP and that includes giving up 11 points in the last 15 possessions. It’s remarkable how it can still be this bad this far into his tenure.
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Post by hoyas212 on Feb 15, 2022 7:45:30 GMT -5
We have selected few people that come on thread just to see coach Ewing and the team fail. There’s no words of encouragement. The team is struggling it’s a bad season. It happens in life when things are not going well. Yes, I understand everyone has the right to express their opinion and we are sport fans. The coach is to be held accountable. But come on guys this team is young, inexperienced and not very good right now. Once again, the main contributors on this team as a whole are not young and inexperienced. You could get away with saying that if Mutombo, Beard, and Billingsley were playing a lot of minutes, but they are not. And it’s not just a bad season. It’s a historically bad season in Big East history by a program with some of the best resources in the Big East.
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Post by daveg023 on Feb 15, 2022 7:50:20 GMT -5
We have selected few people that come on thread just to see coach Ewing and the team fail. There’s no words of encouragement. The team is struggling it’s a bad season. It happens in life when things are not going well. Yes, I understand everyone has the right to express their opinion and we are sport fans. The coach is to be held accountable. But come on guys this team is young, inexperienced and not very good right now. Once again, the main contributors on this team as a whole are not young and inexperienced. You could get away with saying that if Mutombo, Beard, and Billingsley were playing a lot of minutes, but they are not. And it’s not just a bad season. It’s a historically bad season in Big East history by a program with some of the best resources in the Big East. Plus we aren’t getting better. Our trend actually has been worse performances in late Jan & Feb. There is no progress or improvement whatsoever, which would normally be evident in a young team. We’ve played in exactly 1 BE game where we had a chance to win in the final 2 mins. Even bad teams luck into a few more close games. There is bad and then there’s us.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 15, 2022 7:59:32 GMT -5
That was a tremendous effort by the Hoyas tonight. A statement. On the road, haven't won since the Harding Administration, down a ton at half. Just kept coming and coming. You have to love that!! Harding Administration apt on many levels -- Buchanan Administration maybe even MORE apt. And trust me: NO ONE comes on this Board (or the "less formal" one like it -- for which you can almost now just say "NO ONE comes on it") because they want to see the team fail, as some have said. And we DO love the heart shown by these young men under very difficult circumstances. "These are the times that try men's souls." I feel TERRIBLE for everyone concerned: current students, alumni fans, non-alumni fans, players, coaches, administrators. We are all in a bad place, with some having the luxury (which MANY have exercised) of just being able to walk away and others of us so feeling so obsessed (addicted?) we are still here and watching and attending games -- religiously, rather appropriately -- with an even smaller set of us still planning to go the Big East Tournament. But the people I know that are in the toughest spot are those who, because it's their life and livelihood and not just a deeply rooted sidebar to their life, do not have the option of just saying "enough" and walking away, but rather have very difficult decisions to make in the coming Spring (if not before).
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Post by calhoya on Feb 15, 2022 8:09:39 GMT -5
I have thought all season that Harris has talent and could be a productive player on this team, but his continued ball dominance and the apparent lack of control by the coaching staff has worn me out. It's like watching a rerun of the Akinjo/McClung competition which left other players on the sideline while two players hunted shots at every turn. This kid is playing out of control for long stretches of every game. Effort alone cannot propel a player to heights that he is incapable of attaining at this point in his career. 23 points is such a misleading stat when you have 24 shots, 1-6 from deep, 2 assists and 3 TOs. It's no different than Rice hitting 3 or more late 3s in a blowout loss recently.
It's easy to blame the poor decisions on just the player and certainly he deserves a big share of the responsibility, but absent consequences for making the same mistakes every game says that the coaches either don't mind (an indictment in itself) or cannot change this tendency. Either way it is hurting a team that has many holes to begin with. Like the lack of discipline with Rice and his shot selection and --yes--with Aminu and his forced and highly contested shots that more often than not are missed from inside the lane, there is a desperate need for some exercise of control by the coach and accountability for making the same poor decisions repeatedly. I know this season is over and the program is as low as you can get but until the last loss in early March the coaches need to try and improve these kids and a player like Harris can be much better than he is with a little more discipline and a little less freedom on the court.
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 15, 2022 8:11:08 GMT -5
BTW, last night I think was the third game in our last four that we lost either on the number or within 0.5 of it (depending on what line one looked at). Each of those three games followed the same pattern (as did the Saturday game, but spread was too low to bring the bet back into play) and had "bad beat" threatened until the very end. Those bookmakers are good...
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 15, 2022 8:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 15, 2022 8:22:32 GMT -5
Slightly more organized effort on defense, same result - Much better pick and roll coverage. The biggest adjustment I saw was the willingness of our guards to fight over screens. There were multiple screens they just blew up / wouldn't let happen, and then the effort fighting over minimized how far out the big had to go and they could stay home a little more. There also looked like something resembling a plan on skip passes to the corner. If Dante had crashed down to the roller, the guard on the wing had corner responsibility and Dante knew to immediately sprint out to the wing. They botched it one time but pulled it off a few other times successfully. Will give credit where possible to adjustments made by staff / players
- The rest of the defense though was still a problem. This was on more traditional off ball screens getting caught, or Don going under O'Connell screens. Or even O'Connell just rising over Beard off the dribble. These are slightly more difficult shots than the stand still 3s we gave up on Saturday, but the result was ultimately the same.
- The transition defense is really bad, it's not guys being lazy imo, it's just a complete lack of court balance and Ewing prioritizing crashing the offensive glass. NBA teams have actually stopped crashing the boards so much as giving up transition looks is more dangerous. For us we desperately need offensive rebounds because we miss so many shots but it's been a losing trade for us.
- Down the stretch...we actually switched screens? Crazy how that works. In all seriousness, putting Rice at center helped him on defense because he didn't have to chase around Kalkbrenner, and then Creighton stopped running their offense in an effort to take advantage of switches in the post. Except that's really difficult to do, we did a reasonable job fronting the post and then coming with a double team. On offense, now Kalkbrenner had nowhere to hide, I think he was guarding Aminu, and it was much more difficult for him to stay connected when we ran pick and pop etc. On one play he straight vacated the lane for a layup. Can we really play that lineup? I don't know, we did something very similar in the @ Butler game. You're playing with fire on the boards, we got burned not getting rebounds on two free throws. I think it's apparent Ewing doesn't want to play this lineup and will do it only when behind or when he can't stomach any of the centers.
- I just can't watch Dante shoot this much. It's a perfect nightmare of a defense perfectly willing to concede a low quality shot that we think is more valuable than it is. 14 midrange 2s, even if 6-14 isn't terrible, a 40% 2 point shot is not helpful. A 34% usage rate from him and an 18% from Carey is malpractice.
5 games against NCAA tourney teams and home for DePaul left. Big yikes
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 15, 2022 8:55:15 GMT -5
Anyone here doubt that McDermott could take our players and beat his players with them? I do!
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Post by vv83 on Feb 15, 2022 8:58:56 GMT -5
the only way to bring even a small bit of fun into the rest of this death march of a season:
-play small most of the time -full court press most of the time -switch screens in the half court D as much as possible
As rhw485 detailed above, this is what we did down the stretch last night, and we actually resembled a real, functional team on defense. Good teams/coaches would figure out how to exploit this approach, but I think the small/press/switch defensive approach is far and away our best look defensively. Plus it creates mismatches on offense that give Harris/Mohammed/Carey/Beard a chance exploit a bigger/slower player with drives and by pulling the big away from the rim.
this means we have THREE 7 foot centers glued to the bench for most of the game - but that's a whole different issue that has been well discussed already.
Playing this way we would at least force teams out of their comfort zone a bit on both ends, and get them to play in a style that they don't use/practice all that often. We would give up some wide open 3s and dunks when the press breaks down or we screw up some switches. But we give up plenty of those playing our normal D, without creating turnovers or getting teams into some scoring funks when they are struggling to adjust to what we are doing.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 15, 2022 9:09:45 GMT -5
We have selected few people that come on thread just to see coach Ewing and the team fail. There’s no words of encouragement. The team is struggling it’s a bad season. It happens in life when things are not going well. Yes, I understand everyone has the right to express their opinion and we are sport fans. The coach is to be held accountable. But come on guys this team is young, inexperienced and not very good right now. What is your idea of the couch being held accountable? To me the couch has to be comfortable. Preferably long enough for me to put up my feet and it can't smell. That to me is an accountable couch.
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Post by the_way on Feb 15, 2022 9:29:05 GMT -5
Team had more of a sense of urgency last night. Guys were active. If you are too slow, you weren't playing much last night.
Nice to see Kobe Clark get some run.
For a team that has been winless in Big East competition, we sure do fight to the end and not give up. That speaks to the character of our players.
We have some athletes on this team that can run. The problem is our big guys can't really do it, outside of Malcolm who has his own limitations. Look at Creighton's bigs compared to ours and what they can do. Noticeable difference.
Liked the overall effort from the guys last night. It got ugly again in the 2nd half, but cut it close in the end. Ewing is trying everything, but you can't bring a knife to a gun fight and expect to win in a shootout no matter how hard you try. You need some horses. You need some guys who can play and run over 6'5" to compete at the Big East level. Other teams have this. We had it last year (Pickett, Bile, and Q). It isn't like we didn't struggle at times with those guys too.
Even with that, bad shot-selection doesn't help the problem. So many "why" moments with some of the shots. So many bad shots. Then when we start to get behind, guys force things even more with bad shots and it is like feeding the beast. The lead quickly grows into a blowout.
Overall, we lost to a better team. We saw flashes of good play and then we saw all of our flaws on display again.
Let's get ready for the next one and try to get a W.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 15, 2022 9:33:48 GMT -5
That was a tremendous effort by the Hoyas tonight. A statement. On the road, haven't won since the Harding Administration, down a ton at half. Just kept coming and coming. You have to love that!! This is a huge stretch miracles. Was it GTown effort or Creighton coasting. It's hard to maintain intensity when you have no fear of losing the game. Maybe you didn’t watch the game, I don’t know. All I can tell you is that, despite this difficult stretch, and a big halftime deficit, the team played their hearts out. I feel like this may be turning into the making of a big chip on their shoulder. I really loved the effort, despite the loss, itvwas great to watch
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Post by drquigley on Feb 15, 2022 10:52:10 GMT -5
This is a huge stretch miracles. Was it GTown effort or Creighton coasting. It's hard to maintain intensity when you have no fear of losing the game. Maybe you didn’t watch the game, I don’t know. All I can tell you is that, despite this difficult stretch, and a big halftime deficit, the team played their hearts out. I feel like this may be turning into the making of a big chip on their shoulder. I really loved the effort, despite the loss, itvwas great to watch It was Creighton coasting. Once they slowed the game down and wasted 20 seconds of the shot clock they were forced to hunt for shots and it made our defense look so much better. I was afraid some on this Board would take those last 7 minutes as sign of improvement. It wasn't. The thought occurred to me last night that in my 30 plus years of watching BE basketball I can't remember a BE team as bad as we are now. Maybe some of those Rafferty coached Seton Hall teams or, of course, some of the DePaul teams.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 15, 2022 10:55:36 GMT -5
Maybe you didn’t watch the game, I don’t know. All I can tell you is that, despite this difficult stretch, and a big halftime deficit, the team played their hearts out. I feel like this may be turning into the making of a big chip on their shoulder. I really loved the effort, despite the loss, itvwas great to watch It was Creighton coasting. Once they slowed the game down and wasted 20 seconds of the shot clock they were forced to hunt for shots and it made our defense look so much better. I was afraid some on this Board would take those last 7 minutes as sign of improvement. It wasn't. The thought occurred to me last night that in my 30 plus years of watching BE basketball I can't remember a BE team as bad as we are now. Maybe some of those Rafferty coached Seton Hall teams or, of course, some of the DePaul teams. Well, Dr.Quigley, I hope you won’t mind too much if I honor the effort the team members are putting in. I can only hope my praise for the team doesn’t interfere with the important work you are doing. I hope your thimbs grow back after you have sucked them off!
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Post by drquigley on Feb 15, 2022 10:59:50 GMT -5
It was Creighton coasting. Once they slowed the game down and wasted 20 seconds of the shot clock they were forced to hunt for shots and it made our defense look so much better. I was afraid some on this Board would take those last 7 minutes as sign of improvement. It wasn't. The thought occurred to me last night that in my 30 plus years of watching BE basketball I can't remember a BE team as bad as we are now. Maybe some of those Rafferty coached Seton Hall teams or, of course, some of the DePaul teams. Well, Dr.Quigley, I hope you won’t mind too much if I honor the effort the team members are putting in. I can only hope my praise for the team doesn’t interfere with the important work you are doing. I hope your thimbs grow back after you have sucked them off! Ouch. I'm sorry.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 15, 2022 11:04:39 GMT -5
Well, Dr.Quigley, I hope you won’t mind too much if I honor the effort the team members are putting in. I can only hope my praise for the team doesn’t interfere with the important work you are doing. I hope your thimbs grow back after you have sucked them off! Ouch. I'm sorry. Me too. I know we are al dizzy from banging our heads against the wall
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 15, 2022 11:18:10 GMT -5
For the record, I support miracles87, the way and hoyaroc post of this page feed.
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