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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jan 25, 2022 20:05:15 GMT -5
Pulling for our Hoyas. Coach Ewing wanted to be an NBA coach. He toiled for years as an NBA assistant to fulfill that dream. G-town was home and he has tried his best to get this program back into a winner. As the article pointed out, it looked that way after year 2 going into year 3. Only for the bottom to fall out in year 3 with the departures and injuries. Even with that year, you saw the fight and teamwork from the guys with a heavily undermanned 6-man rotation. In year 4, we won the Big East tournament title and got to the big dance. That was cool. Here we are in year 5 and we are struggling. Building a winner isn't easy. Some do it quickly. Some take time. Either way, pulling for Coach Ewing and the guys. He is just as much of a Hoya as the players. Go Hoyas! I wonder if people understand how quickly this can spiral downward. We are in a fantastic spot with a few prospects in 2023 after bringing in a great ‘21 class and a good ‘22 class. Give him next year, support the team, and let’s see where we are at 12 months from now.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 25, 2022 20:10:48 GMT -5
Pulling for our Hoyas. Coach Ewing wanted to be an NBA coach. He toiled for years as an NBA assistant to fulfill that dream. G-town was home and he has tried his best to get this program back into a winner. As the article pointed out, it looked that way after year 2 going into year 3. Only for the bottom to fall out in year 3 with the departures and injuries. Even with that year, you saw the fight and teamwork from the guys with a heavily undermanned 6-man rotation. In year 4, we won the Big East tournament title and got to the big dance. That was cool. Here we are in year 5 and we are struggling. Building a winner isn't easy. Some do it quickly. Some take time. Either way, pulling for Coach Ewing and the guys. He is just as much of a Hoya as the players. Go Hoyas! I wonder if people understand how quickly this can spiral downward. We are in a fantastic spot with a few prospects in 2023 after bringing in a great ‘21 class and a good ‘22 class. Give him next year, support the team, and let’s see where we are at 12 months from now. It will be very difficult for Pat to go into the final year of his contract without an extension and still recruit. Nobody will ask me, but, if I'm the Admin., the first question to Pat is "Do you want an extension?" If "Yes," I'd offer two years, but I'd have to be prepared to eat those years if next year looks like this one.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 25, 2022 20:15:56 GMT -5
Pulling for our Hoyas. Coach Ewing wanted to be an NBA coach. He toiled for years as an NBA assistant to fulfill that dream. G-town was home and he has tried his best to get this program back into a winner. As the article pointed out, it looked that way after year 2 going into year 3. Only for the bottom to fall out in year 3 with the departures and injuries. Even with that year, you saw the fight and teamwork from the guys with a heavily undermanned 6-man rotation. In year 4, we won the Big East tournament title and got to the big dance. That was cool. Here we are in year 5 and we are struggling. Building a winner isn't easy. Some do it quickly. Some take time. Either way, pulling for Coach Ewing and the guys. He is just as much of a Hoya as the players. Go Hoyas! I wonder if people understand how quickly this can spiral downward. We are in a fantastic spot with a few prospects in 2023 after bringing in a great ‘21 class and a good ‘22 class. Give him next year, support the team, and let’s see where we are at 12 months from now. He’s been given five years and we have the worst team in decades. How much more downward spiraling is even possible. Enough is enough.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 25, 2022 22:53:45 GMT -5
I wonder if people understand how quickly this can spiral downward. We are in a fantastic spot with a few prospects in 2023 after bringing in a great ‘21 class and a good ‘22 class. Give him next year, support the team, and let’s see where we are at 12 months from now. It will be very difficult for Pat to go into the final year of his contract without an extension and still recruit. Nobody will ask me, but, if I'm the Admin., the first question to Pat is "Do you want an extension?" If "Yes," I'd offer two years, but I'd have to be prepared to eat those years if next year looks like this one. Ewing hasn’t proven he deserves another game, let alone another year.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 25, 2022 22:58:36 GMT -5
Pulling for our Hoyas. Coach Ewing wanted to be an NBA coach. He toiled for years as an NBA assistant to fulfill that dream. G-town was home and he has tried his best to get this program back into a winner. As the article pointed out, it looked that way after year 2 going into year 3. Only for the bottom to fall out in year 3 with the departures and injuries. Even with that year, you saw the fight and teamwork from the guys with a heavily undermanned 6-man rotation. In year 4, we won the Big East tournament title and got to the big dance. That was cool. Here we are in year 5 and we are struggling. Building a winner isn't easy. Some do it quickly. Some take time. Either way, pulling for Coach Ewing and the guys. He is just as much of a Hoya as the players. Go Hoyas! I wonder if people understand how quickly this can spiral downward. We are in a fantastic spot with a few prospects in 2023 after bringing in a great ‘21 class and a good ‘22 class. Give him next year, support the team, and let’s see where we are at 12 months from now. You still feel that way after tonight’s #%<*show? The players on the team get all my support, I might question their decision-making at time or the careless, ball slips outta my hand turnovers, but they haven’t been put in a position to be successful. It becomes harder and harder to recruit to a winless program.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 25, 2022 22:59:55 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most.
Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 25, 2022 23:02:57 GMT -5
The moderator allow the same people come on this thread with their negativity. No support for the Hoyas Men Basketball program. Really what is their agenda? The team is struggling to get wins. But the same people come on the thread with the negative garbage. Win or lose I support the team.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 25, 2022 23:03:20 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most. Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University. I think that’s exactly what Ewing/DeGioia wanted people to think after reading the article. That’s why I’m convinced it was a plant. The end is coming and the parties are looking for a way out - they’re going to play the “obligation to JT2 card”, rather than the “Ewing is completely incompetent” card. Fine with me, either way he’s gone and we’re moving on.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 25, 2022 23:07:14 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most. Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University. I think that’s exactly what Ewing/DeGioia wanted people to think after reading the article. That’s why I’m convinced it was a plant. The end is coming and the parties are looking for a way out - they’re going to play the “obligation to JT2 card”, rather than the “Ewing is completely incompetent” card. Fine with me, either way he’s gone and we’re moving on. I see your point, but it seems too subtle for Georgetown.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 25, 2022 23:09:09 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most. Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University. Eh he gets a pile of money and if he didn’t really want the job then just say no (that actually reminds me of him never taking responsibility for when we lose). If he really didn’t 100% want to be here or was immediately eager for the job then fine it can be a happy divorce however they want to splice it in the media which I am sure would end up being the biggest outpour of media from the program in a day than we’ve had in the last 5 years
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 25, 2022 23:23:30 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most. Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University. I agree with this take. I have no idea what's going on in Patrick Ewing's mind right now, but if I had to speculate, I think he's internally conflicted between a job that isn't any fun and that he realizes he may not be cut out for, and a sense of obligation to a recently deceased father figure whom he badly wanted to make proud. I'll support him no matter what, and I hope he realizes that if he decides to step back and potentially return to the pro game as an assistant (or something along those lines), no Georgetown fan would ever think any less of him for it. He's busted his ass as Georgetown coach, even if the results haven't been what any of us would hope for. If he decides this isn't the job for him and moves on before returning us to national prominence, he'll still be a living legend in the Georgetown community. And I don't think anybody would be disappointed in him--he has given it his all.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 25, 2022 23:46:09 GMT -5
I will say, this article made me feel a bit sorry for Ewing. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying, but it sounded to me like he basically took a difficult job he didn’t really want out of a sense of loyalty and obligation. He then had to do a bunch of things he didn’t really want to do, and now it’s going poorly. He knows it’s going poorly and he’s basically failing at his alma mater in front of the people who know him the best and respect him the most. Obviously, he’s well-compensated and certainly made his own decision to seek and take the job. Nonetheless, it just seemed like a really difficult situation for him and for the University. I agree with this take. I have no idea what's going on in Patrick Ewing's mind right now, but if I had to speculate, I think he's internally conflicted between a job that isn't any fun and that he realizes he may not be cut out for, and a sense of obligation to a recently deceased father figure whom he badly wanted to make proud. I'll support him no matter what, and I hope he realizes that if he decides to step back and potentially return to the pro game as an assistant (or something along those lines), no Georgetown fan would ever think any less of him for it. He's busted his ass as Georgetown coach, even if the results haven't been what any of us would hope for. If he decides this isn't the job for him and moves on before returning us to national prominence, he'll still be a living legend in the Georgetown community. And I don't think anybody would be disappointed in him--he has given it his all. This is the perfect take on where things stand with Ewing right now. Hopefully the fan base can embrace this perspective on Ewing's tenure as coach. Those of us criticizing his coaching now are not criticizing him as a person or a program legend. He cares about Georgetown at least as much as any of us, and and probably a lot more than most of us. He has given the last 5 years of his life to this program, working his butt off running around the country trying to convince high school kids to come to Georgetown, and negotiating the complex challenges of running a big time program without any experience in doing so. Ewing deserves no criticism for any of that. If and when he does leave the coaching position, I think even those criticizing his coaching now will wish him nothing but the best moving forward, and will continue to value him as a cornerstone of the program and a person worthy of nothing but our love and respect despite the disappointment of his Georgetown coaching career.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 26, 2022 1:58:28 GMT -5
I agree with this take. I have no idea what's going on in Patrick Ewing's mind right now, but if I had to speculate, I think he's internally conflicted between a job that isn't any fun and that he realizes he may not be cut out for, and a sense of obligation to a recently deceased father figure whom he badly wanted to make proud. I'll support him no matter what, and I hope he realizes that if he decides to step back and potentially return to the pro game as an assistant (or something along those lines), no Georgetown fan would ever think any less of him for it. He's busted his ass as Georgetown coach, even if the results haven't been what any of us would hope for. If he decides this isn't the job for him and moves on before returning us to national prominence, he'll still be a living legend in the Georgetown community. And I don't think anybody would be disappointed in him--he has given it his all. This is the perfect take on where things stand with Ewing right now. Hopefully the fan base can embrace this perspective on Ewing's tenure as coach. Those of us criticizing his coaching now are not criticizing him as a person or a program legend. He cares about Georgetown at least as much as any of us, and and probably a lot more than most of us. He has given the last 5 years of his life to this program, working his butt off running around the country trying to convince high school kids to come to Georgetown, and negotiating the complex challenges of running a big time program without any experience in doing so. Ewing deserves no criticism for any of that. If and when he does leave the coaching position, I think even those criticizing his coaching now will wish him nothing but the best moving forward, and will continue to value him as a cornerstone of the program and a person worthy of nothing but our love and respect despite the disappointment of his Georgetown coaching career. Criticism is expected in a high profile job. But the disrespect is another issue. You have people working behind the scenes to discredit JT2 legacy and to remove coach Ewing as HC. Already naming other replacements for the current HC.
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Post by dense on Jan 26, 2022 2:41:55 GMT -5
First call should be to Mike Jones.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 26, 2022 4:33:25 GMT -5
This is the perfect take on where things stand with Ewing right now. Hopefully the fan base can embrace this perspective on Ewing's tenure as coach. Those of us criticizing his coaching now are not criticizing him as a person or a program legend. He cares about Georgetown at least as much as any of us, and and probably a lot more than most of us. He has given the last 5 years of his life to this program, working his butt off running around the country trying to convince high school kids to come to Georgetown, and negotiating the complex challenges of running a big time program without any experience in doing so. Ewing deserves no criticism for any of that. If and when he does leave the coaching position, I think even those criticizing his coaching now will wish him nothing but the best moving forward, and will continue to value him as a cornerstone of the program and a person worthy of nothing but our love and respect despite the disappointment of his Georgetown coaching career. Criticism is expected in a high profile job. But the disrespect is another issue. You have people working behind the scenes to discredit JT2 legacy and to remove coach Ewing as HC. Already naming other replacements for the current HC. To be fair, no one is actually discrediting what Pops has contributed to the program. Pop's G stands for greatness. He transformed the NCAAM BB forever. Rather, his legacy is further getting tarnished by his previous actions to keep everything within his family; the constant nepotism with the hires, which have resulted in underperformances without proper accountability. Just to put this scenario into a perspective: After Coach K retires, hypothetically he keeps bringing his pupils and sons to take the jobs with mostly mediocre performance for the next 20-30 years. For all the great things he contributed to the Duke program while he was a coach, do you think that would sit well with the future generations of Duke students/alumni? BTW, no one here is disrespecting Ewing as a player and what he has contributed to the program. Just that the performances as a coach cannot be embraced with the level of performance we are seeing.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 26, 2022 8:04:38 GMT -5
Criticism is expected in a high profile job. But the disrespect is another issue. You have people working behind the scenes to discredit JT2 legacy and to remove coach Ewing as HC. Already naming other replacements for the current HC. To be fair, no one is actually discrediting what Pops has contributed to the program. Pop's G stands for greatness. He transformed the NCAAM BB forever. Rather, his legacy is further getting tarnished by his previous actions to keep everything within his family; the constant nepotism with the hires, which have resulted in underperformances without proper accountability.
Just to put this scenario into a perspective: After Coach K retires, hypothetically he keeps bringing his pupils and sons to take the jobs with mostly mediocre performance for the next 20-30 years.For all the great things he contributed to the Duke program while he was a coach, do you think that would sit well with the future generations of Duke students/alumni? BTW, no one here is disrespecting Ewing as a player and what he has contributed to the program. Just that the performances as a coach cannot be embraced with the level of performance we are seeing. At the risk of re-opening a can of worms… I think it’s easy to generalize this statement, however, it would be a bit revisionist to call the program under JTIII “mostly mediocre” and “without proper accountability.” The team, by any standard, was wildly successful for the better part of a decade from 05-15. Yes there were numerous flameouts in the NCAA, but there were also heights reached that hadn’t been reached since the 80s. In hindsight, what we thought was bottoming out at the end of III’s tenure was really mediocrity and in my opinion the accountability was actually there to make a change before the trajectory continued and the ship continued to sink. For the record, I was in favor of a coaching change and I felt the timing was right to make one when they did. Unfortunately, it was at that point where we had a glorious opportunity to take the program in a new direction and remain relevant in the national landscape, but our “one-man search committee” felt otherwise. So here we are.
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 26, 2022 8:46:10 GMT -5
First call should be to Mike Jones. Which Mike Jones do you mean? Ex-Dematha or current Stephen’s/St. Agnes (who has done a fantastic job both with Xs and Os and recognizing, getting and developing talent)? After watching Dematha alum Jordan Hawkins join the torch fest against us last night I think you probably mean the Dematha Jones. A more college experienced connected guy probably the better option for the captain’s chair (the Bob Wade experience at MD certainly a bit of an object lesson), but someone who knows and has the rep/game to do the area deep dive in recruiting an important element to any change that occurs. Having a local high school coach on the bench as a high level asst certainly a solid way to do that, and there are A LOT of very experienced, savvy options locally that I think we can look to. It should be remembered that MD will likely be trying to rebuild its staff at year’s end, and if we don’t think locally in terms of a rebuild we are gonna get out staffed for sure in a way that REALLY matters for future success…
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 26, 2022 8:56:51 GMT -5
First call should be to Mike Jones. Which Mike Jones do you mean? Ex-Dematha or current Stephen’s/St. Agnes (who has done a fantastic job both with Xs and Os and recognizing, getting and developing talent)? After watching Dematha alum Jordan Hawkins join the torch fest against us last night I think you probably mean the Dematha Jones. A more college experienced connected guy probably the better option for the captain’s chair (the Bob Wade experience at MD certainly a bit of an object lesson), but someone who knows and has the rep/game to do the area deep dive in recruiting an important element to any change that occurs. Having a local high school coach on the bench as a high level asst certainly a solid way to do that, and there are A LOT of very experienced, savvy options locally that I think we can look to. It should be remembered that MD will likely be trying to rebuild its staff at year’s end, and if we don’t think locally in terms of a rebuild we are gonna get out staffed for sure in a way that REALLY matters for future success… Maryland being the market is really unfortunate for us IMO. Not just for HC options, but assistants as you point out astutely.
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Post by hoyaphan on Jan 26, 2022 8:58:28 GMT -5
Isn’t Mike Jones the old Radofrd coach? He’s a great coach . Not sure if that’s who you meant
I can’t believe some people are still defending Coach Ewings record right now . You can make a case he should be canned today after that game last night .
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Post by hoyajmw on Jan 26, 2022 9:09:23 GMT -5
Isn’t Mike Jones the old Radofrd coach? He’s a great coach . Not sure if that’s who you meant I can’t believe some people are still defending Coach Ewings record right now . You can make a case he should be canned today after that game last night . I think I've answered my own question (or what likely SHOULD be the answer): the former Dematha Mike Jones -- had no idea myself the depth of his connection to the high school talent pool/modern game, but just WOW. Great idea... www.usab.com/basketball/staff/j/jones-mike.aspxJust for grins, there’s also a Mike Jones who headed up the pro bono lawsuit against the state of MD that resulted recently in A HUGE win on behalf of HBUCs for discrimination by the state against them (big cash pay out and structural changes to the state system part of the remedy). THAT Mike a great guy with now some rep in the community — but nice as he is, think he has too good a gig at his law firm to give it up The moral of this thread may be that with some names — Mike Jones being one of them — more specificity is needed! (I once left a ticket at will call for a Hoya game for a very good friend that got picked up by the “wrong” Steve Smith). I was quite surprised when a guy I didn’t know from Adam sat down next to me…)
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