Jalin Billingsley - transfer to Eastern Michigan

[hoyaguy]

Kill it there Jbills

[DanMcQ]

[Elvado]

So another guy goes to a directional state university.

Doesn’t that speak volumes about what leve of player we have been bringing in?

[hoyaboya]

May 1, 2022 21:37:06 GMT -5 Elvado said:

So another guy goes to a directional state university.

Doesn’t that speak volumes about what leve of player we have been bringing in?

I think it speaks more to the lack of development under Ewing & Co.’s leadership. Most of the guys transferring out have been 3* recruits who would never have been available to Southeast Missouri State, Eastern Michigan, Pacific, UTEP, etc. out of high school.

[beenaround]

Hope he has a great career at Eastern Michigan and hopefully beyond.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

May 1, 2022 21:56:03 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

May 1, 2022 21:37:06 GMT -5 Elvado said:

So another guy goes to a directional state university.

Doesn’t that speak volumes about what leve of player we have been bringing in?

I think it speaks more to the lack of development under Ewing & Co.’s leadership. Most of the guys transferring out have been 3* recruits who would never have been available to Southeast Missouri State, Eastern Michigan, Pacific, UTEP, etc. out of high school.

100% with this statement

We are bringing in players with more stars attached to their names than 95% of the nation and just based on recruiting talent alone, we are def. in top 4 of the big east; these guys had quite a few options at college but as a result of coming here, they keep tanking their values and cant go anywhere else at the level of where they were initially recruited

This continues to be a bad look in brining any promising 3-4 star players into the program

[hoyaroc]

JBill thank you for your time as a Hoya. I wish you much success at Eastern Michigan.

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May 1, 2022 22:32:44 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

May 1, 2022 21:56:03 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

I think it speaks more to the lack of development under Ewing & Co.’s leadership. Most of the guys transferring out have been 3* recruits who would never have been available to Southeast Missouri State, Eastern Michigan, Pacific, UTEP, etc. out of high school.

100% with this statement

We are bringing in players with more stars attached to their names than 95% of the nation and just based on recruiting talent alone, we are def. in top 4 of the big east; these guys had quite a few options at college but as a result of coming here, they keep tanking their values and cant go anywhere else at the level of where they were initially recruited

This continues to be a bad look in brining any promising 3-4 star players into the program

Billingsley was ranked #225 coming out of HS. You can find a couple surprises in that range from time to time but on average that's not a player that's going to have an impact at a hm as a freshman. Most of the guys around that range got redshirted last season and the leading scorer out of the kids I looked at between 216-330 was Rafael Pinzon at 3.2 ppg.

As a guy who watches an unhealthy amount of hs basketball I can say with complete confidence our recruiting has been below average. That's on the coach as well so I don't get this particular line of attack tbh

[cosmopolitanhoya]

May 2, 2022 1:18:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

May 1, 2022 22:32:44 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

100% with this statement

We are bringing in players with more stars attached to their names than 95% of the nation and just based on recruiting talent alone, we are def. in top 4 of the big east; these guys had quite a few options at college but as a result of coming here, they keep tanking their values and cant go anywhere else at the level of where they were initially recruited

This continues to be a bad look in brining any promising 3-4 star players into the program

Billingsley was ranked #225 coming out of HS. You can find a couple surprises in that range from time to time but on average that's not a player that's going to have an impact at a hm as a freshman. Most of the guys around that range got redshirted last season and the leading scorer out of the kids I looked at between 216-330 was Rafael Pinzon at 3.2 ppg.

As a guy who watches an unhealthy amount of hs basketball I can say with complete confidence our recruiting has been below average. That's on the coach as well so I don't get this particular line of attack tbh

Fair statement when only looking at Billingsley alone but based on the reaction of the board, i thought this was a kid who was underrated and is better than the actual ranking itself.

Quick question - what was the rank of Billingsley’s class that included Aminu and Jordan compared to the peers in the BE and the nation?

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May 2, 2022 1:41:55 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

May 2, 2022 1:18:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Billingsley was ranked #225 coming out of HS. You can find a couple surprises in that range from time to time but on average that's not a player that's going to have an impact at a hm as a freshman. Most of the guys around that range got redshirted last season and the leading scorer out of the kids I looked at between 216-330 was Rafael Pinzon at 3.2 ppg.

As a guy who watches an unhealthy amount of hs basketball I can say with complete confidence our recruiting has been below average. That's on the coach as well so I don't get this particular line of attack tbh

Fair statement when only looking at Billingsley alone but based on the reaction of the board, i thought this was a kid who was underrated and is better than the actual ranking itself.

Quick question - what was the rank of Billingsley’s class that included Aminu and Jordan compared to the peers in the BE and the nation?

Would have to look, not too sure. Probably pretty descent but the thing about recruiting rankings are they’re skewed by size. A 5 man class of average players will generally rank higher than a 2 man class of impact guys.

Look at our roster last year this way. Out of 13 scholarship players 9-13 were either unranked or had a ranking in the 200’s or below. Here’s the breakdown: 5 were unranked. 2 were close to 400 or below. 2 were in the 200’s. Aminu was the only top 100 kid. The last 3 were all freshman ranked in the 100-150 range. That’s really weak for a hm team imo.

[practice]

Good luck to him and the rest of the transfers. This is just my opinion, but if kids don't get playing time, I think they lose their luster very quickly in the transfer market. They are not the bright and shiny recruits putting up numbers in HS and in AAU games ... they are guys who didn't start and didn't get more than 10 minutes per game for the bottom of the barrel Big East ... it's really no surprise that they move down. It'll be interesting to see where Holloway and Carey end up ... I still can't believe that soon to be 23 year old Don Carey thinks playing another year in college is good idea, but perhaps with his shooting numbers a real contender might throw him some NIL $$$

[hoyaboya]

May 2, 2022 1:18:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

May 1, 2022 22:32:44 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

100% with this statement

We are bringing in players with more stars attached to their names than 95% of the nation and just based on recruiting talent alone, we are def. in top 4 of the big east; these guys had quite a few options at college but as a result of coming here, they keep tanking their values and cant go anywhere else at the level of where they were initially recruited

This continues to be a bad look in brining any promising 3-4 star players into the program

Billingsley was ranked #225 coming out of HS. You can find a couple surprises in that range from time to time but on average that's not a player that's going to have an impact at a hm as a freshman. Most of the guys around that range got redshirted last season and the leading scorer out of the kids I looked at between 216-330 was Rafael Pinzon at 3.2 ppg.

As a guy who watches an unhealthy amount of hs basketball I can say with complete confidence our recruiting has been below average. That's on the coach as well so I don't get this particular line of attack tbh

Not to pick on you, YaBoyNYP, as I appreciate your recruiting insights and continued support of the program. However...

Posts in the Jalin Billingsley thread from Recruiting Forum:

"His lift on his jumper looks fine to me. A lot of the best shooters from distance don't really jump very high at all. When your 6'9 how much lift do you really need. It's not like Markus Howard or somebody. Personally I think 32% from 3 as a junior in HS is pretty solid for a kid his size and bodes well for the future."

When asked if you'd be happy with a commitment:

"I'd be pretty happy. I think he has all the tools to be a really good player in this league. He's got a lot of skills and it really comes down to how bad he wants it."

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32135/jalin-billingsley-2021-commits-georgetown?page=2

You're not the only one, though, YaBoyNYP.

From seaweed: "A couple of drives in the paint where he makes excellent use of a strong, not extended elbow. Next level stuff, and his shot blocking is a pleasure to watch. Base level skills like that make a strong base for Coach to build on. Come play ball JBill! Be a Hoya and RISE UP!"

cthoya16: "Another great get by the staff- Jalin has a very impressive skill set already and has a ton of potential. I think he will be able to contribute at the four right away, this is another exciting commitment. Congrats and welcome Jalin!"

hoyaroc: "Congrats Jay Bill! You made the right decision young man. Coach Ewing is going get you ready for the next level. Let’s go Hoyas!!!"

phniousgren: "Someone mentioned Rui Hachimura as a comparison, I like that, not sure if it was on this board."

hoyazeke: "Watched his highlight tape for the first time this morning and he reminds me a lot of Obi Toppin... I like the direction that Coach is going with his wings and forwards. Multi-skilled, long and nasty. We now will have multiple Josh LeBlancs on the roster. JBills, Sibley, Riley, Holloway, and Clark all have similar skillsets so if one is off or in foul trouble it doesn't kill your team...not to mention Malcolm and TimmyI guarding the paint. The D should be much improved going forward."

Hoyas4Ever: "I honestly think a fair comp based on potential and similarities in their games is Saddiq Bey..."

bostonfan: "Jalin certainly looks to be a fully developed physical athlete."

nattybumpo3152: "Jalin Billingsey is a terrific young prospect. He's big, strong, fast, very athletic and his outside shot looks good. Awesome. I also like Holloway a lot. Both guys are thick, athletic, fast, great timing. Coach Ewing and his staff have recruited some studs."

[iowa80]

Wishcasting on recruits has a long and storied tradition here. It’s part of fandom. I’m more interested in why he left because I think he would have a role. Of course, we will never know that.

[hoyaboya]

May 2, 2022 14:28:57 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wishcasting on recruits has a long and storied tradition here. It’s part of fandom. I’m more interested in why he left because I think he would have a role. Of course, we will never know that.

Of course it is - but it's completely hypocritical to hype up guys when we're recruiting them, then come back when they leave and say they were never that good in the first place. It's a classic move used by the Ewing/Thompson-first fans.

[guru]

May 2, 2022 14:34:48 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

May 2, 2022 14:28:57 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wishcasting on recruits has a long and storied tradition here. It’s part of fandom. I’m more interested in why he left because I think he would have a role. Of course, we will never know that.

Of course it is - but it's completely hypocritical to hype up guys when we're recruiting them, then come back when they leave and say they were never that good in the first place. It's a classic move used by the Ewing/Thompson-first fans.

HYPOCRISY POLICE IN ACTION! WELL DONE, LAD!

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May 2, 2022 14:19:24 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

May 2, 2022 1:18:54 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Billingsley was ranked #225 coming out of HS. You can find a couple surprises in that range from time to time but on average that's not a player that's going to have an impact at a hm as a freshman. Most of the guys around that range got redshirted last season and the leading scorer out of the kids I looked at between 216-330 was Rafael Pinzon at 3.2 ppg.

As a guy who watches an unhealthy amount of hs basketball I can say with complete confidence our recruiting has been below average. That's on the coach as well so I don't get this particular line of attack tbh

Not to pick on you, YaBoyNYP, as I appreciate your recruiting insights and continued support of the program. However...

Posts in the Jalin Billingsley thread from Recruiting Forum:

"His lift on his jumper looks fine to me. A lot of the best shooters from distance don't really jump very high at all. When your 6'9 how much lift do you really need. It's not like Markus Howard or somebody. Personally I think 32% from 3 as a junior in HS is pretty solid for a kid his size and bodes well for the future."

When asked if you'd be happy with a commitment:

"I'd be pretty happy. I think he has all the tools to be a really good player in this league. He's got a lot of skills and it really comes down to how bad he wants it."

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32135/jalin-billingsley-2021-commits-georgetown?page=2

You're not the only one, though, YaBoyNYP.

From seaweed: "A couple of drives in the paint where he makes excellent use of a strong, not extended elbow. Next level stuff, and his shot blocking is a pleasure to watch. Base level skills like that make a strong base for Coach to build on. Come play ball JBill! Be a Hoya and RISE UP!"

cthoya16: "Another great get by the staff- Jalin has a very impressive skill set already and has a ton of potential. I think he will be able to contribute at the four right away, this is another exciting commitment. Congrats and welcome Jalin!"

hoyaroc: "Congrats Jay Bill! You made the right decision young man. Coach Ewing is going get you ready for the next level. Let’s go Hoyas!!!"

phniousgren: "Someone mentioned Rui Hachimura as a comparison, I like that, not sure if it was on this board."

hoyazeke: "Watched his highlight tape for the first time this morning and he reminds me a lot of Obi Toppin... I like the direction that Coach is going with his wings and forwards. Multi-skilled, long and nasty. We now will have multiple Josh LeBlancs on the roster. JBills, Sibley, Riley, Holloway, and Clark all have similar skillsets so if one is off or in foul trouble it doesn't kill your team...not to mention Malcolm and TimmyI guarding the paint. The D should be much improved going forward."

Hoyas4Ever: "I honestly think a fair comp based on potential and similarities in their games is Saddiq Bey..."

bostonfan: "Jalin certainly looks to be a fully developed physical athlete."

nattybumpo3152: "Jalin Billingsey is a terrific young prospect. He's big, strong, fast, very athletic and his outside shot looks good. Awesome. I also like Holloway a lot. Both guys are thick, athletic, fast, great timing. Coach Ewing and his staff have recruited some studs."

I try not to be too critical of players on a public forum but anyone who has talked to me privately knows I didn't expect much from him early and had many reservations about him. There's also this post that you conveniently left of for some reason?

He has some nice skills for a kid his size for sure.

I'm not expecting much early on from him, but he might surprise. Biggest issue right now is him understanding that regardless of result the effort should always be there.Like most freshman he also needs to take advantage of the strength and conditioning program as much as possible.

On the above quotes that you listed I don't see anything wrong with what I wrote. I would write the same things today. You don't need to be a high leaper to be a good 3 point shooter and anybody can see the kid does have some tools and could end up being a good player if he works at it. The problem has always been his work ethic and that's something I'm sure you saw me allude to multiple times in that thread.

[FrazierFanatic]

May 2, 2022 14:34:48 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

May 2, 2022 14:28:57 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Wishcasting on recruits has a long and storied tradition here. It’s part of fandom. I’m more interested in why he left because I think he would have a role. Of course, we will never know that.

Of course it is - but it's completely hypocritical to hype up guys when we're recruiting them, then come back when they leave and say they were never that good in the first place. It's a classic move used by the Ewing/Thompson-first fans.

If you check out other message boards, fans of pretty much every team do the same thing. Trying to couch it as a Georgetown exclusive is a big stretch.