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Post by professorhoya on Mar 31, 2021 22:39:56 GMT -5
Let’s be real, the NCAA only cares that the elites are the best teams by a mile and if that takes destroying anyone who isn’t a major media market then they will do it. It’s just like how colleges are just corporations these days, kids are assets. It just seems like the Big East is getting rocked here and we can't sign any of these Big East transfers. Maybe it's the same in the other conferences (haven't paid attention to them) but would be interesting to see a conference by conference breakdown on the transfers.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 1, 2021 0:03:51 GMT -5
It just seems like the Big East is getting rocked here and we can't sign any of these Big East transfers. Maybe it's the same in the other conferences (haven't paid attention to them) but would be interesting to see a conference by conference breakdown on the transfers. Here's a quick conference by conference list which will be out of date by tomorrow, but every conference is taking its hits. Atlantic 10: 47 ACC: 44 America East: 35 American: 52 A-Sun: 30 Big 10: 38 Big 12: 28 Big East: 34 Big Sky: 38 Big South: 54 Big West: 19 CAA: 18 Conference USA: 40 Horizon: 37 Ivy: 21 MAAC: 25 MAC: 27 MEAC: 28 Missouri Valley: 41 Mountain West: 32 NEC: 36 Ohio Valley: 63 Pac-12: 29 Patriot: 17 SEC: 40 Southland: 54 Southern: 21 Summit: 29 Sun Belt: 33 SWAC: 37 WAC: 28 West Coast: 33
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 1, 2021 3:47:11 GMT -5
Eventful afternoon for the conference.. Although he didn't really impress me these last few years Well, Villanova is no longer immune from transfer-itus . So what is wrong with Ewing that he had all those transfers last year (eye roll)?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 1, 2021 6:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 1, 2021 7:58:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2021 9:24:28 GMT -5
Not exactly Porter Moser...
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 1, 2021 9:42:07 GMT -5
Not BE news, but Roy stepping down at UNC. Wonder what their plan is there now? Hubert Davis? Wonder if more transfers follow. They’ve already had a few.
A lot of new faces will be in place at bigger programs not only this year (UNC, Indiana, Texas, Oklahoma), but in the coming years at programs like Duke, Mich St, Kansas, Syracuse, Arizona (if Miller gets drilled by the NCAA). Plus Pitino and Huggins with only with a few years left, you’re going to have a major passing of the guard. Wright and Calipari (and Few if you want to count him) will really be the only elite coaches left standing.
BE will be positioned with a lot of younger / mid aged coaches who could conceivably be at their schools for 10 more years at least if they are successful...
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 1, 2021 10:03:23 GMT -5
Not BE news, but Roy stepping down at UNC. Wonder what their plan is there now? Hubert Davis? Wonder if more transfers follow. They’ve already had a few. A lot of new faces will be in place at bigger programs not only this year (UNC, Indiana, Texas, Oklahoma), but in the coming years at programs like Duke, Mich St, Kansas, Syracuse, Arizona (if Miller gets drilled by the NCAA). Plus Pitino and Huggins with only with a few years left, you’re going to have a major passing of the guard. Wright and Calipari (and Few if you want to count him) will really be the only elite coaches left standing. BE will be positioned with a lot of younger / mid aged coaches who could conceivably be at their schools for 10 more years at least if they are successful... If this transfer/no sit thing or even pay for play become permanent then I can see a new type of coach emerge. Basically it's becoming more NBA like and would require NBA type coaches as you would have a new crop of players every year and wouldn't have the luxury to implement a complicated system like 2-3, Packline, Princeton. In general I don't like this trend because if it becomes more NBA then I would just watch the NBA. The differences between the NBA and college basketball is what makes both exciting.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 1, 2021 10:12:15 GMT -5
Eventful afternoon for the conference.. Although he didn't really impress me these last few years Well, Villanova is no longer immune from transfer-itus . So what is wrong with Ewing that he had all those transfers last year (eye roll)? This is what I would call an "understandable" transfer. Guy was a 6th or 7th man off the bench. Was a pretty good 3 point shooter and that seemed to be the role Wright had for him. Transfer to a school where he would start and play 30 minutes. Put up bigger numbers and probably have a much more satisfying college basketball experience. Not in any way similar to the transfers we've had the last two years.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 1, 2021 10:32:54 GMT -5
Well, Villanova is no longer immune from transfer-itus . So what is wrong with Ewing that he had all those transfers last year (eye roll)? This is what I would call an "understandable" transfer. Guy was a 6th or 7th man off the bench. Was a pretty good 3 point shooter and that seemed to be the role Wright had for him. Transfer to a school where he would start and play 30 minutes. Put up bigger numbers and probably have a much more satisfying college basketball experience. Not in any way similar to the transfers we've had the last two years. When the ACC changed its intraconference transfer rules, I thought the BE and other major conferences would change their rules too even if it only was for just one season. That kid would have been a nice grab for another BE team, including GU. Now, the BE loses another ranked recruit and proven college shooter who probably will end up in Syracuse.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2021 11:25:19 GMT -5
Looks like DePaul will continue to sit at the bottom of the Big East - lost opportunity for the Blue Demons program. If Moser stays at Loyola, I would be all for adding the Ramblers to the Big East. At this point, DePaul brings nothing to the conference in men's basketball.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 1, 2021 12:01:26 GMT -5
Looks like DePaul will continue to sit at the bottom of the Big East - lost opportunity for the Blue Demons program. If Moser stays at Loyola, I would be all for adding the Ramblers to the Big East. At this point, DePaul brings nothing to the conference in men's basketball. Loyola adds nothing to the Big East. And this type of thinking is what got Butler admitted because, well, Brad Stevens wouldn't leave, would he? What a conference gets with the Ramblers: --The NCAA minimum six men's sports. No baseball, swimming, lacrosse, etc. Believe it or not, conferences need schools that actually play conference-sponsored sports. --A total of six full time head coaches across all its sports. --Average basketball attendance of 3,215. Its gym seats 4,486, or about the size of AU's Bender Arena. --A total athletic budget of $17 million. The smallest budget in the Big East is Butler at $26.6 million, the largest is UConn at $79 million. The MVC may be the best home for them right now. Even if the A-10 wants to expand west again, Loyola doesn't seem like a school built for sustained athletic excellence. And for all its futility, DePaul is to Chicago what St. John's is to New York: a large Catholic school for the middle class. Loyola is Chicago's version of Fordham.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:23:51 GMT -5
Looks like DePaul will continue to sit at the bottom of the Big East - lost opportunity for the Blue Demons program. If Moser stays at Loyola, I would be all for adding the Ramblers to the Big East. At this point, DePaul brings nothing to the conference in men's basketball. Why do you think he can't be successful? To me it all comes down to can he recruit the area. If he can, then he will be fine. If he can't, then he'll fail. Tbh that goes for anyone they hire.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 1, 2021 13:21:11 GMT -5
Well, Villanova is no longer immune from transfer-itus . So what is wrong with Ewing that he had all those transfers last year (eye roll)? This is what I would call an "understandable" transfer. Guy was a 6th or 7th man off the bench. Was a pretty good 3 point shooter and that seemed to be the role Wright had for him. Transfer to a school where he would start and play 30 minutes. Put up bigger numbers and probably have a much more satisfying college basketball experience. Not in any way similar to the transfers we've had the last two years. I agree it is conventionally "understandable", but my point was that Villanova seemed to be operating in a different universe getting players to buy into their way of doing things. This transfer signifies perhaps the beginning of the return to the mean of 'expected behavior'.
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Post by ewingitrust on Apr 1, 2021 13:34:04 GMT -5
Alot hinges on what Colin and Robinson Earl decide to do at Nova...other than Providence, Butler, St Johns ...the Big East next season seems ripe for the taking. Blair/Pickett/Bile have yet to announce...and I tend to believe their silence on their intentions could be a positive thing.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 1, 2021 13:51:28 GMT -5
Alot hinges on what Colin and Robinson Earl decide to do at Nova...other than Providence, Butler, St Johns ...the Big East next season seems ripe for the taking. Blair/Pickett/Bile have yet to announce...and I tend to believe their silence on their intentions could be a positive thing. I’m assuming Gillespie is back at a minimum and maybe Samuels? JRE I expect to leave. Someone brought up a good point to me that going to Europe is not nearly as easy as it would normally be for these guys given Covid. That’s why you might see more stay than you’d think. As for the rest of the BE, I think PC (if Duke stays) have had the best offseason in keeping Watson and Horchler and getting a grad transfer from Indiana. They lost marginal players and have retained their key ones. I also think UConn is poised to be strong if Whalley and/or Polley return with a very strong incoming class. Marquette will be interesting as they are returning two of the best freshman and Smart probably will attract another transfer or two. If anything they’ll get a lot more out of their talent then they did under Wojo. Really I see us in a muddled middle with everyone but DePaul, but to me Nova, UConn, and PC are a cut ahead. If Champagnie returns to SJ to pair with Posh they probably are in that upper tier too.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 1, 2021 13:58:25 GMT -5
Alot hinges on what Colin and Robinson Earl decide to do at Nova...other than Providence, Butler, St Johns ...the Big East next season seems ripe for the taking. Blair/Pickett/Bile have yet to announce...and I tend to believe their silence on their intentions could be a positive thing. Wright basically said JRE is leaving the other day but the door is open for Gillespie & Samuels...
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Post by drquigley on Apr 1, 2021 15:01:52 GMT -5
Alot hinges on what Colin and Robinson Earl decide to do at Nova...other than Providence, Butler, St Johns ...the Big East next season seems ripe for the taking. Blair/Pickett/Bile have yet to announce...and I tend to believe their silence on their intentions could be a positive thing. I’m assuming Gillespie is back at a minimum and maybe Samuels? JRE I expect to leave. Someone brought up a good point to me that going to Europe is not nearly as easy as it would normally be for these guys given Covid. That’s why you might see more stay than you’d think. As for the rest of the BE, I think PC (if Duke stays) have had the best offseason in keeping Watson and Horchler and getting a grad transfer from Indiana. They lost marginal players and have retained their key ones. I also think UConn is poised to be strong if Whalley and/or Polley return with a very strong incoming class. Marquette will be interesting as they are returning two of the best freshman and Smart probably will attract another transfer or two. If anything they’ll get a lot more out of their talent then they did under Wojo. Really I see us in a muddled middle with everyone but DePaul, but to me Nova, UConn, and PC are a cut ahead. If Champagnie returns to SJ to pair with Posh they probably are in that upper tier too. Again, big difference between a talented/key player leaving to go to NBA and same player transferring.
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