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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 11:46:13 GMT -5
If he's that tired call a TO of your own but IMO you can't take out your best player to sub in a kid who has barely played all year... Maybe you're right, they would have gotten crushed anyway but at the time this decision was made Creighton was controlling the game, that fact can't be disputed... Even after that the game was still close till the 5 min marks. Z is in the whole time. The breakout happens at the 5 min mark. It starts to fall apart when Z throws an uncharacteristic freshman like mistake pass cross court and out of bounds to the back court. It was inevitable they were going to lose because Creighton's floor general couldn't handle Dante one on one. I'm not trying to make the case that Creighton would have won the game if Z isn't taken out, I'm just pointing out that it was a big momentum shift to Gtown and a momentum killer to Creighton... I also get that you want to give Dante a lot of credit & he deserves it... Keep watching the game in the 2nd half you'll hear Gus Johnson bring up the same point I'm making...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 11:52:30 GMT -5
Even after that the game was still close till the 5 min marks. Z is in the whole time. The breakout happens at the 5 min mark. It starts to fall apart when Z throws an uncharacteristic freshman like mistake pass cross court and out of bounds to the back court. It was inevitable they were going to lose because Creighton's floor general couldn't handle Dante one on one. I'm not trying to make the case that Creighton would have won the game if Z isn't taken out, I'm just pointing out that it was a big momentum shift to Gtown and a momentum killer to Creighton... I also get that you want to give Dante a lot of credit & he deserves it... Keep watching the game in the 2nd half you'll hear Gus Johnson bring up the same point I'm making... It's a point the Creighton board was all over last night but I think too much is actually made of it. People see it as a coaching error but that change wouldn't have been made if Z wasn't exhausted and mentally blitzed from Dante's defense. Z looks defeated and is bent over and looks like he will collapse. He offers no resistance to Coach taking him out of the game. This indicates to me that he absolutely needed a breather and the sub was brought in to buy time a la the way we have with Holloway. In the end it only cost 3 baskets from 13-6 to 13-13.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 11:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 12:02:44 GMT -5
Even after that the game was still close till the 5 min marks. Z is in the whole time. The breakout happens at the 5 min mark. It starts to fall apart when Z throws an uncharacteristic freshman like mistake pass cross court and out of bounds to the back court. It was inevitable they were going to lose because Creighton's floor general couldn't handle Dante one on one. I'm not trying to make the case that Creighton would have won the game if Z isn't taken out, I'm just pointing out that it was a big momentum shift to Gtown and a momentum killer to Creighton... I also get that you want to give Dante a lot of credit & he deserves it... Keep watching the game in the 2nd half you'll hear Gus Johnson bring up the same point I'm making... The Creighton board was skewering McDermott for that decision. But at the end of the day the game was tied when Zeg went back in but it gave us a chance to get our legs under us and the rest is history. Imo Colin's minutes changed everything. He came in bullying and outworking guys. Those two things in combination provided a huge momentum shift in our direction.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5
I'm not trying to make the case that Creighton would have won the game if Z isn't taken out, I'm just pointing out that it was a big momentum shift to Gtown and a momentum killer to Creighton... I also get that you want to give Dante a lot of credit & he deserves it... Keep watching the game in the 2nd half you'll hear Gus Johnson bring up the same point I'm making... The Creighton board was skewering McDermott for that decision. But at the end of the day the game was tied when Zeg went back in but it gave us a chance to get our legs under us and the rest is history. Imo Colin's minutes changed everything. He came in bullying and outworking guys. Those two things in combination provided a huge momentum shift in our direction. And I believe the reason they had to use Canfield (5-10 165) was he's probably the 2nd fastest guy on the team and was the only other guy who could somewhat matchup with Dante's speed because I believe the fastest guy and backup point guard Shareef Mitchell was out with some kind of injury.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 14, 2021 12:11:49 GMT -5
The Creighton board was skewering McDermott for that decision. But at the end of the day the game was tied when Zeg went back in but it gave us a chance to get our legs under us and the rest is history. Imo Colin's minutes changed everything. He came in bullying and outworking guys. Those two things in combination provided a huge momentum shift in our direction. And I believe the reason they had to use Canfield (5-10 165) was he's probably the 2nd fastest guy on the team and was the only other guy who could somewhat matchup with Dante's speed because I believe the fastest guy and backup point guard Shareef Mitchell was out with some kind of injury. Concussion protocol from a bump the day before
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 14, 2021 12:26:52 GMT -5
Imo Colin's minutes changed everything. He came in bullying and outworking guys. Those two things in combination provided a huge momentum shift in our direction. This is what makes next year so difficult to project. On one hand, you see players making differences like the one describe. On the other hand, will the aggregation of them and what they contribute be enough to excel?. We have great pieces, but will they come together like this year’s group did? Who knows...
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 12:32:30 GMT -5
I'm not trying to make the case that Creighton would have won the game if Z isn't taken out, I'm just pointing out that it was a big momentum shift to Gtown and a momentum killer to Creighton... I also get that you want to give Dante a lot of credit & he deserves it... Keep watching the game in the 2nd half you'll hear Gus Johnson bring up the same point I'm making... It's a point the Creighton board was all over last night but I think too much is actually made of it. People see it as a coaching error but that change wouldn't have been made if Z wasn't exhausted and mentally blitzed from Dante's defense. Z looks defeated and is bent over and looks like he will collapse. He offers no resistance to Coach taking him out of the game. This indicates to me that he absolutely needed a breather and the sub was brought in to buy time a la the way we have with Holloway. In the end it only cost 3 baskets from 13-6 to 13-13. You do get that sometimes it only takes a basket or two or just a minute or 2 to swing the momentum of a game right?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 12:32:34 GMT -5
This is what makes next year so difficult to project. On one hand, you see players making differences like the one describe. On the other hand, will the aggregation of them and what they contribute be enough to excel?. We have great pieces, but will they come together like this year’s group did? Who knows... I think when people see the results, then it's alot easier for them to buy in.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 12:36:06 GMT -5
It's a point the Creighton board was all over last night but I think too much is actually made of it. People see it as a coaching error but that change wouldn't have been made if Z wasn't exhausted and mentally blitzed from Dante's defense. Z looks defeated and is bent over and looks like he will collapse. He offers no resistance to Coach taking him out of the game. This indicates to me that he absolutely needed a breather and the sub was brought in to buy time a la the way we have with Holloway. In the end it only cost 3 baskets from 13-6 to 13-13. You do get that sometimes it only takes a basket or two or just a minute or 2 to swing the momentum of a game right? That can happen but not in this game. The decision was the correct one by Coach, given the fact that Z was blitzed and the back up point guard Shariff Mitchell was out with concussion protocol.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2021 12:36:36 GMT -5
Defense has definitely been the cornerstone of our turnaround. Bile's grit and hustle lead the way, but every single player has bought in. Jahvon was a defensive liability for 3 years, but buckles down on every defensive possession now. The fundamentals across the board are so much better. And of course getting more experience playing together develops the defensive scheme. Can't wait for the selection show and our next game. Time for US to be the lower seed that ruins someone's party. Only because I haven't seen his name mentioned a ton...but what Carey did to Ballock was ridiculous. The guy had no room to breathe. Carey was a legit liability on defense early in the season, it's the reason why Bile was inserted in. Now it doesn't even matter, the defense is holding up and Blair's instant offense off the bench plays. Credit to Coach Ewing for finding the perfect combo. Yes you are exactly right, forgot about Carey. He has worked his butt off on defense since the break.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 12:38:42 GMT -5
You do get that sometimes it only takes a basket or two or just a minute or 2 to swing the momentum of a game right? That can happen but not in this game. The decision was the correct one by Coach, given the fact that Z was blitzed and the back up point guard Shariff Mitchell was out with concussion protocol. So you don't think that they game changed at that point? I say we agree to disagree...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 12:44:16 GMT -5
That can happen but not in this game. The decision was the correct one by Coach, given the fact that Z was blitzed and the back up point guard Shariff Mitchell was out with concussion protocol. So you don't think that they game changed at that point? I say we agree to disagree... I think it had minimal effect. I don't even like Coach Plantation but given the circumstances I believe he made the right call.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 12:56:33 GMT -5
So you don't think that they game changed at that point? I say we agree to disagree... I think it had minimal effect. I don't even like Coach Plantation but given the circumstances I believe he made the right call. Hard for me to believe you think subbing out your best player for a kid who's barely played is the right choice when the game momentum is on your side but to each his own... 20% of Zags is still much better than 100% of Canfield in my opinion...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2021 13:05:11 GMT -5
I think it had minimal effect. I don't even like Coach Plantation but given the circumstances I believe he made the right call. Hard for me to believe you think subbing out your best player for a kid who's barely played is the right choice when the game momentum is on your side but to each his own... 20% of Zags is still much better than 100% of Canfield in my opinion... When your player wants out and needs a breather and you know he has to play the whole game (because the backup is out), it's the correct move.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 13:54:22 GMT -5
Hard for me to believe you think subbing out your best player for a kid who's barely played is the right choice when the game momentum is on your side but to each his own... 20% of Zags is still much better than 100% of Canfield in my opinion... When your player wants out and needs a breather and you know he has to play the whole game (because the backup is out), it's the correct move. How can he play the whole game if the coach takes him out? Call a timeout if you have to but don't sit him especially when you weren't planning on it prior to the Gtown timeout... Either way its a poor decision to have your two best players off the court in a pivotal game in my
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 14, 2021 13:57:53 GMT -5
I’m not getting involved in this debate, but I will say that watching Dante absolutely eat that kid’s lunch was just grand.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 14, 2021 13:59:55 GMT -5
Went to the store to pick up today’s Washington Post but was disappointed to see we aren’t on the cover of the sports page. I guess maybe our game ended too late? Hopefully we’re on tomorrow’s cover.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 14, 2021 14:01:16 GMT -5
Hard for me to believe you think subbing out your best player for a kid who's barely played is the right choice when the game momentum is on your side but to each his own... 20% of Zags is still much better than 100% of Canfield in my opinion... When your player wants out and needs a breather and you know he has to play the whole game (because the backup is out), it's the correct move. How can he play the whole game if the coach takes him out? Call a timeout if you have to but don't sit him especially when you weren't planning on it prior to the Gtown timeout... Either way its a poor decision to have your two best players off the court in a pivotal game in my
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2021 14:13:39 GMT -5
Went to the store to pick up today’s Washington Post but was disappointed to see we aren’t on the cover of the sports page. I guess maybe our game ended too late? Hopefully we’re on tomorrow’s cover. It's a top story above the fold on today's sports page with the Maryland's women team Big Ten title sharing headline ""Exuberant and emotional." Don't know which edition you're looking at but it's the big story along with the MD story.
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