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Post by TC on Apr 30, 2022 18:00:51 GMT -5
Maybe ... just maybe - the argument "I put Ja Morant in the league, and he wasn't ranked by anyone before he came to Murray State" is more compelling than "I went 0-20 and no one from my program has been drafted".
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 30, 2022 18:17:32 GMT -5
None of us know why ward chose LSu. It’s easy to say money under the table or NIL. Could also be we lost 21 in a row and he’s not impressed with the team or staff. Could be any reason. I’d say on to the next one…but not expecting the next one to be very impactful. If I were a top 30 or top 50 player, I would be extremely wary of committing to a college that was 0-20 in conference this past season (and with a very poor five-year or seven-year track record).
I would also be extremely wary of LSU.
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Apr 30, 2022 18:22:02 GMT -5
Who would you rather have…..Ward or Murray?
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 30, 2022 19:46:22 GMT -5
Who would you rather have…..Ward or Murray? Murray!!!
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Post by hoyainla on Apr 30, 2022 20:08:28 GMT -5
Program spends an enormous amount of money. Let's spend it on players instead of Ewing and Ronny and start winning some damn games. Until the NCAA allows direct payments to players, the only way to get money to players is through rich boosters who own local businesses they are happy to use as piggy banks for the program. While GU has rich alums, it doesn’t have the type of rich booster culture that the big football schools have. I think there is a huge misconception on the amount of money needed to be successful enough to field a winning team. From people I talked to guys like Ward are not getting as much as most think. Since we only have to worry about basketball and only need about 5 decent NIL worthy guys we could run it for about 500k - a million a year. Yes this seems like a lot but really it’s a drop in the bucket. The people in charge just aren’t willing to do what it takes to get the right people involved. You really don’t think a Top 50 NBA player couldn’t pull some financial strings to get this done? This is just Georgetown being Georgetown and not treating this as a major college basketball program.
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 30, 2022 21:04:07 GMT -5
Until the NCAA allows direct payments to players, the only way to get money to players is through rich boosters who own local businesses they are happy to use as piggy banks for the program. While GU has rich alums, it doesn’t have the type of rich booster culture that the big football schools have. I think there is a huge misconception on the amount of money needed to be successful enough to field a winning team. From people I talked to guys like Ward are not getting as much as most think. Since we only have to worry about basketball and only need about 5 decent NIL worthy guys we could run it for about 500k - a million a year. Yes this seems like a lot but really it’s a drop in the bucket. The people in charge just aren’t willing to do what it takes to get the right people involved. You really don’t think a Top 50 NBA player couldn’t pull some financial strings to get this done? This is just Georgetown being Georgetown and not treating this as a major college basketball program. It is hard to argue with you given the last 2 or 3 or 5 years at GU.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 30, 2022 21:36:35 GMT -5
I think there is a huge misconception on the amount of money needed to be successful enough to field a winning team. From people I talked to guys like Ward are not getting as much as most think. Since we only have to worry about basketball and only need about 5 decent NIL worthy guys we could run it for about 500k - a million a year. Yes this seems like a lot but really it’s a drop in the bucket. The people in charge just aren’t willing to do what it takes to get the right people involved. You really don’t think a Top 50 NBA player couldn’t pull some financial strings to get this done? This is just Georgetown being Georgetown and not treating this as a major college basketball program. "Since we only have to worry about basketball"...says who? NIL at Georgetown was not and (is not) meant to keep Patrick Ewing happy. It's an opportunity for nearly 765 other kids in 29 other sports, to leverage their own brands. That means soccer and lacrosse and track and a lot of sports that don't get a lot of attention here. NIL is not being run out of the basketball chief of staff's office--it is strictly focused on previously admitted students on varsity teams. Over 15 years ago, the president of the University spoke at a Hoop Club banquet and provided these three principles: "That each student we offer the opportunity in which to participate in this program - that each will accept the responsibilities entailed - and the first of those is to embrace the education provided here... Secondly, that we do it honestly, that we be above reproach - that we must set the standard for integrity in intercollegiate athletics... And finally, that we win." For those in the Twitterverse who think Georgetown would, could, or should get into the same chicanery that SEC schools enjoy, know this: the Georgetown administration could shut down the entire basketball admissions pipeline in a matter of one phone call. That's not a risk worth taking.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Apr 30, 2022 21:44:46 GMT -5
Who would you rather have…..Ward or Murray? I think Murray will make a bigger impact this season but long term it could be Ward.
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Post by nbhoya on Apr 30, 2022 21:48:57 GMT -5
NIL is entirely legal. Not sure why it’s referred to in such an ominous way. Play by the rules, but play the game, or let’s go D3 and focus on academics. It’s not below-belt to try to keep up.
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Post by TC on Apr 30, 2022 21:51:39 GMT -5
NIL is not being run out of the basketball chief of staff's office--it is strictly focused on previously admitted students on varsity teams. Over 15 years ago, the president of the University spoke at a Hoop Club banquet and provided these three principles: "That each student we offer the opportunity in which to participate in this program - that each will accept the responsibilities entailed - and the first of those is to embrace the education provided here... Secondly, that we do it honestly, that we be above reproach - that we must set the standard for integrity in intercollegiate athletics... And finally, that we win." That President must be rolling over in his grave right now given the program really does none of those things anymore.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 30, 2022 22:14:30 GMT -5
We don’t need to go Division 3, it’s only basketball that sucks right now. If we don’t land some good frontcourt players, we will be in a heap of trouble next season.
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Post by hoyainla on Apr 30, 2022 23:18:48 GMT -5
"Since we only have to worry about basketball"...says who? NIL at Georgetown was not and (is not) meant to keep Patrick Ewing happy. It's an opportunity for nearly 765 other kids in 29 other sports, to leverage their own brands. That means soccer and lacrosse and track and a lot of sports that don't get a lot of attention here. NIL is not being run out of the basketball chief of staff's office--it is strictly focused on previously admitted students on varsity teams. Over 15 years ago, the president of the University spoke at a Hoop Club banquet and provided these three principles: "That each student we offer the opportunity in which to participate in this program - that each will accept the responsibilities entailed - and the first of those is to embrace the education provided here... Secondly, that we do it honestly, that we be above reproach - that we must set the standard for integrity in intercollegiate athletics... And finally, that we win." For those in the Twitterverse who think Georgetown would, could, or should get into the same chicanery that SEC schools enjoy, know this: the Georgetown administration could shut down the entire basketball admissions pipeline in a matter of one phone call. That's not a risk worth taking. The non revenue sports athletes will have to do it through their brand. That is not what this entire discussion has been about. This is about the pay for play aspect. If we aren't going to get into the "SEC chicanery", which seems to be legal, then why try to compete at high level college basketball and spend all the money on overhead that the school currently does?
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Post by jwp91 on May 1, 2022 15:23:36 GMT -5
NIL is entirely legal. Not sure why it’s referred to in such an ominous way. Play by the rules, but play the game, or let’s go D3 and focus on academics. It’s not below-belt to try to keep up. NIL is not pay for play/commitment which continues to be against the rules whether or not they are enforced.
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Post by dense on May 1, 2022 20:31:10 GMT -5
Well Tipton showed the receipts that Ward picked LSU on April 18th to him. So the visit didn't do anything.
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Post by vv83 on May 1, 2022 20:52:10 GMT -5
Well Tipton showed the receipts that Ward picked LSU on April 18th to him. So the visit didn't do anything. What was Ward's reason for going through with the visit and for dragging announcement of his decision out almost two weeks beyond the point that he had made it, especially with so much media buzz that he would choose Georgetown? I guess it is nice to be courted by a Hall of Fame NBA guy. But on the whole, it seems like a pretty lousy move on Ward's part. Maybe he felt he owed it to Brooks, and would somehow help him get the Hoya job? But he had to see that it could only hurt Brooks to make it look like he was going to go to Georgetown and then changed his mind at the last minute. But who knows what any 18 year old is thinking about as they work through their decisions? There are many reasons that being a big time college basketball coach is a difficult, frustrating job (while also being a great payday!) but I think the most frustrating part has to be having your daily life and livelihood dependent on the decision making of teenagers. I can definitely understand why any good coach would prefer to coach pros rather than college kids.
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Post by prhoya on May 1, 2022 21:10:36 GMT -5
Well Tipton showed the receipts that Ward picked LSU on April 18th to him. So the visit didn't do anything. What was Ward's reason for going through with the visit and for dragging announcement of his decision out almost two weeks beyond the point that he had made it, especially with so much media buzz that he would choose Georgetown? I guess it is nice to be courted by a Hall of Fame NBA guy. But on the whole, it seems like a pretty lousy move on Ward's part. Maybe he felt he owed it to Brooks, and would somehow help him get the Hoya job? But he had to see that it could only hurt Brooks to make it look like he was going to go to Georgetown and then changed his mind at the last minute. But who knows what any 18 year old is thinking about as they work through their decisions? There are many reasons that being a big time college basketball coach is a difficult, frustrating job (while also being a great payday!) but I think the most frustrating part has to be having your daily life and livelihood dependent on the decision making of teenagers. I can definitely understand why any good coach would prefer to coach pros rather than college kids. Not at Georgetown. Pat’s contract is guaranteed. Yes, sure it sucks to have to cater to 18 year-olds, but $4M/y helps to ease the “pain”.
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Post by SDHoya on May 1, 2022 21:51:45 GMT -5
Well Tipton showed the receipts that Ward picked LSU on April 18th to him. So the visit didn't do anything. So the narrative that we missed a lay up here is totally false. We never even had the ball. Maybe Hoyas got played. Then again maybe it was only the “recruiting experts” and fan forums who did. Considering we never really needed a wing, I’m still not too beat up about this one. Let’s get some bigs in the door.
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Post by thedragon on May 1, 2022 22:12:53 GMT -5
Well Tipton showed the receipts that Ward picked LSU on April 18th to him. So the visit didn't do anything. So the narrative that we missed a lay up here is totally false. We never even had the ball. Maybe Hoyas got played. Then again maybe it was only the “recruiting experts” and fan forums who did. Considering we never really needed a wing, I’m still not too beat up about this one. Let’s get some bigs in the door. He took a visit to Gtown on April 23rd with Brooks - his childhood AAU coach and one time commit to Xavier where he coached. As well with Hoya alumnus Terrell Allen who worked with him as a skills instructor. His camp was clearly "leaking" info that he was a Georgetown lean. Guys like Andrew Slater and Eric Bossi and even Gtown hater Jeff Ermann don't make wrong predictions very often. Ward and his folks used Georgetown and some close to him for leverage to up an SEC schools NIL offer. More power to them - but it's a bad look, both for the program and the assistant coach who was never announced and is now in limbo for not delivering. I agree, get some good transfer bigs and keep it moving. Ward wasn't going to be a day 1 gamechanger even though his signing would have been a huge optics boom. But this wasn't a case where experts or fan forums made up stuff out of thin air. Ward and his camp played the current marketplace like a fiddle. And we were the shmucks left deleted.
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Post by prhoya on May 1, 2022 22:28:33 GMT -5
His visit to GU was on April 23. Pat and Ronny were played. Did Ward go through the motions as a favor for Brooks?
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on May 1, 2022 22:42:06 GMT -5
Unless this kid was Jabari Smith level prospect, he wasnt going to help much in the first year anyway...
Expected LeBlanc/Copeland like production here and we cant live without that right?
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