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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2021 21:27:57 GMT -5
I wonder if Nate Oates would be content with staying at Alabama, or if the big boys like UTexas or maybe even Kansas go after him. I think Shaka Smart survives due to winning the Big 12 Tournament for the first since forever Is Bill Self on the hot seat? if you read the UT board he's done. Shaka is burning up in flames. They have a fire Shaka Smart thread stickied. And are already discussing coaching options. Boosters want to buy out his contract. www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/forum/3-basketball/Self is always on the hot seat if he doesn't win the national championship and obviously is expected to make the Final Four.
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:28:17 GMT -5
Florida State have athletic bigs that can switch when playing man to man I just think if we pressed more after any baskets that were made or went to a zone sooner that would have slowed Colorado down. The other problem that hurt us was that Dante's short and we really didn't have another option at point guard, especially a taller or more athletic defensive option. Jalen Harris loss hurt us.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 22, 2021 21:28:23 GMT -5
And Walker went back to being a pumpkin
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 21:29:30 GMT -5
Florida State have athletic bigs that can switch when playing man to man I just think if we pressed more after any baskets that were made or went to a zone sooner that would have slowed Colorado down. The other problem that hurt us was that Dante's short and we really didn't have another option at point guard, especially a taller or more athletic defensive option. But McKinley-Wright ain't that much taller than Dante. I'm sure Dante could use his small size to his advantage on both defense and offense as smaller players have advantages too. However, I really think we ought to explore having our big men out on the perimeter guarding the point guard next year. That will stop the point guard from penetrating because all of the ground that the big man covers. It will force him to have to pass the ball sooner in the offense which is what we want.
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:30:18 GMT -5
Our full court press was our only remote chance. Zone isn't our strength and wouldn't have mattered with they way they shot 3's that day. The way Wahab was being exposed with the late rotation I think a zone would have slowed down at least a couple of those first 11 3pt shots Colorado made I feel you, but our Zone is much worse than our man-to-man defense under Ewing. Ewing finally got our man-to-man going in year 4. Maybe in year 5 he can get the zone working. Either way, they gave a Nova 85 like performance behind the arc. It was just their day that day.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 21:35:58 GMT -5
All it takes to beat us is a team with a decent three point shooting night. Hard to make it all the way to a Final Four anchored by an old school big. Mourning and Mutombo couldn’t do it, what makes you think Q can? We made the FF in 2007, but we didn’t work our offense through Hibbert and we had multiple NBA players on the roster. Plus Hibbert could shoot.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 22, 2021 21:37:03 GMT -5
The other problem that hurt us was that Dante's short and we really didn't have another option at point guard, especially a taller or more athletic defensive option. But McKinley-Wright ain't that much taller than Dante. I'm sure Dante could use his small size to his advantage on both defense and offense as smaller players have advantages too. However, I really think we ought to explore having our big men out on the perimeter guarding the point guard next year. That will stop the point guard from penetrating because all of the ground that the big man covers. It will force him to have to pass the ball sooner in the offense which is what we want. The 7 foot guarding McKinley Wright works because Wright is a short pass first point guard, which is quite rare these days. I think that's the big difference between Z and M-Wright. Zegerowski is a score first point guard, and Dante was able to shut him down. (yeah Z had 17 pts but that was just cosmetic, Z was exhasusted). But Dante couldn't stop M-Wright from getting what, 15 assists in a 40 minute college game. So I think at this level that having length can take away M-Wright's court vision and passing lanes. I think if it was a 7 game series against them we would have eventually done something drastic like have Bile guard him.
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:40:01 GMT -5
All it takes to beat us is a team with a decent three point shooting night. Hard to make it all the way to a Final Four anchored by an old school big. Mourning and Mutombo couldn’t do it, what makes you think Q can? We made the FF in 2007, but we didn’t work our offense through Hibbert and we had multiple NBA players on the roster. Plus Hibbert could shoot. Hibbert could guard on the perimeter? He is much less agile and athletic than Q.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 21:42:24 GMT -5
If you watch us against Colorado or UConn, it’s clear we lack long athletic players. Quick kids with bounce who can finish a fast break with a flush or disrupt on defense.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 21:44:25 GMT -5
All it takes to beat us is a team with a decent three point shooting night. Hard to make it all the way to a Final Four anchored by an old school big. Mourning and Mutombo couldn’t do it, what makes you think Q can? We made the FF in 2007, but we didn’t work our offense through Hibbert and we had multiple NBA players on the roster. Plus Hibbert could shoot. Hibbert could guard on the perimeter? He is much less agile and athletic than Q. I’m saying Hibbert had Green, Summers and Ewing. Who does Q have?
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:45:30 GMT -5
Q is a problem now, but nobody was saying anything during the Big East tournament run. One game, and now it is a problem.
Vividly recall people complaining about Govan, a "new school big", and his lack of defense as a Hoya.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 21:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 21:48:27 GMT -5
Q is a problem now, but nobody was saying anything during the Big East tournament run. One game, and now it is a problem. Vividly recall people complaining about Govan, a "new school big", and his lack of defense as a Hoya. I like Q. My issue is with having an old school big anchor your team in the three point era. I’m not convinced it’s a sound strategy.
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:50:15 GMT -5
Hibbert could guard on the perimeter? He is much less agile and athletic than Q. I’m saying Hibbert had Green, Summers and Ewing. Who does Q have? Exactly. Hibbert also had Sapp, Wallace, and a ball hawking guard on defense in Jeremiah Rivers Two facilitators and a tall defensive guard. Q doesn't have that either.
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:52:42 GMT -5
Q is a problem now, but nobody was saying anything during the Big East tournament run. One game, and now it is a problem. Vividly recall people complaining about Govan, a "new school big", and his lack of defense as a Hoya. I like Q. My issue is with having an old school big anchor your team in the three point era. I’m not convinced it’s a sound strategy. He isn't the anchor though. We shoot 3's. That has never been the problem in the Ewing era. Blair, Bile, Pickett. They shoot 3's. Govan was far from a traditional big. He shot 3's as well under Ewing. Same with Marcus. They positions 1-4 weren't making them against Colorado. That isn't Q's fault nor does that make him the anchor. Just an anchor to blame Ewing again.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 22, 2021 21:52:45 GMT -5
If you watch us against Colorado or UConn, it’s clear we lack long athletic players. Quick kids with bounce who can finish a fast break with a flush or disrupt on defense. What are Pickett, Bile and Sibley?
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Post by the_way on Mar 22, 2021 21:57:58 GMT -5
If you watch us against Colorado or UConn, it’s clear we lack long athletic players. Quick kids with bounce who can finish a fast break with a flush or disrupt on defense. What are Pickett, Bile and Sibley? Old school big men. Ewing has to change his philosophy or else.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 21:59:28 GMT -5
I like Q. My issue is with having an old school big anchor your team in the three point era. I’m not convinced it’s a sound strategy. He isn't the anchor though. We shoot 3's. That has never been the problem in the Ewing era. Blair, Bile, Pickett. They shoot 3's. Govan was far from a traditional big. He shot 3's as well under Ewing. Same with Marcus. They positions 1-4 weren't making them against Colorado. That isn't Q's fault nor does that make him the anchor. Just an anchor to blame Ewing again. I like Pat and we had a terrific season. Excited for next season. I’m just talking strategy and philosophy. At the end of the day, if we keep upgrading talent it will all work out.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 22, 2021 22:04:41 GMT -5
FSU has better, smarter athletes that seem to take more pride on defense than offense which is rare in college. I don’t want to hear how we were unlucky that Colorado was hot vs us and not tonight. FSU gave them nothing easy and got in their heads. After that it was a wrap.
Besides switching everything one of the main differences is that the FSU bigs don’t play up on the guard when the switch the PnR. They allow you to shoot over them if you are willing to take the jumper.
Tonight was a master class and shows that while we may have made some strides, although I don’t think we improved the perimeter D much, we are still a long ways off.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 22, 2021 22:04:56 GMT -5
What are Pickett, Bile and Sibley? Old school big men. Ewing has to change his philosophy or else. Ewing will be our coach for the foreseeable future. He will recruit for the center position. We will have four on the roster next season.
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