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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2021 1:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2021 5:11:36 GMT -5
Texas out again in the first weekend (as a 3 seed here to a 14), do you think that winning the Big 12 championship this year will be enough to save Smart's job? I would be very disappointed, again, so I don't know. That was a paper big 12 championship too as they played one game against Texas Tech, then Kansas pulled out due to Covid and Texas was in the championship game vs ok state. In six years, with all they lottery pick talent and uT resources at Texas he’s never won the first game in the NCAAs. And he’s never made it out of the first weekend since the final four run with VCU ten years ago. Almost nobody is defending him on the UT board. They all want to buy out his last year at $10 million and get rid of him www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/forum/3-basketball/
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 5:41:20 GMT -5
Losing to a mid-major as a 1-4 seed is painful. The “what could have been” lingers forever. Losing to a solid Colorado team, I can live with.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2021 5:59:37 GMT -5
NCAA alot of times making a run comes down to luck of the bounce and the luck of matchups. Creighton's now set to play #13 Ohio in the 2nd round and if they win that they get Gonzaga (who I think they match up well with) and then the only other higher seed is Iowa (who I also think they match up with) in the elite 8.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 21, 2021 6:38:01 GMT -5
Losing to a mid-major as a 1-4 seed is painful. The “what could have been” lingers forever. Losing to a solid Colorado team, I can live with. I think we will find they were better than solid.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2021 7:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2021 7:24:55 GMT -5
Feels like had we been given an 11 seed, we would have had an exponentially better shot at advancing. Colorado might have been the best 5 seed of the bunch.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2021 7:28:29 GMT -5
Feels like had we been given an 11 seed, we would have had an exponentially better shot at advancing. Colorado might have been the best 5 seed of the bunch. They were likely underseeded. If they had won the pac Championship game they probably would’ve been a 2-3 seed
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 21, 2021 7:30:21 GMT -5
NCAA alot of times making a run comes down to luck of the bounce and the luck of matchups. Creighton's now set to play #13 Ohio in the 2nd round and if they win that they get Gonzaga (who I think they match up well with) and then the only other higher seed is Iowa (who I also think they match up with) in the elite 8. Theres no question. Get there enough and with a good enough seed that the odds go your way every so often. That's the realistic goal.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2021 7:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 21, 2021 7:42:12 GMT -5
Feels like had we been given an 11 seed, we would have had an exponentially better shot at advancing. Colorado might have been the best 5 seed of the bunch. They were likely underseeded. If they had won the pac Championship game they probably would’ve been a 2-3 seed I think it's fair to say that if we had played almost any other non-NBA basketball team in America, we would have had a better chance of advancing! In hindsight the PAC-12 is outstanding, meaning CO was undervalued on that basis alone. And they shot the lights out on top of it.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 21, 2021 8:14:58 GMT -5
Creighton gets very fortunate and now likely will make the Sweet 16. The Big East should have 2 Sweet 16 teams now so it will look like a good showing for the conference though we know it was a very down year. Funny how it when’s sometimes. If that layup goes in, Creighton leaves early and frankly has a pretty disappointing year. Now they are favored to go to the S16. It’s amazing how a narrative can change on one bounce of the ball. In that same vein, if UVA doesn’t have a fluke play at the end against Purdue in the ‘19 Regional Final, what is the story around Tony Bennett after yet another upset loss? Sometimes legacies are built or ruined on pure luck. I was thinking earlier if merely go 21-23 from the line against Nova, none of the last week would have happened, and the narrative is quite different around here. At the end of the day the key is keep putting yourself in position where the bounce may go your way, and play well enough to have a lucky play matter (something unfortunately that hasn’t been the case for us in any of our recent tournament experiences, as we mostly have lost by double digits). If you keep getting there, chances are you will get the lucky break and it may make all the difference. The overemphasis in our sports culture on the end of the year tournament is dumb. It’s especially bad in baseball and college basketball that have these playoff systems that have a lot of randomness and are not meant to find the best team. They are fun but the idea that long-term success or failure can hinge on these crapshoots is ridiculous. I always thought it was really unfair how JTIII’s career was defined by three games (I don’t hold VCU or NC St against him). In the end, based on the performance over a couple full seasons, it was clear he had to go but all the calls to get rid of him earlier based on a couple games were just dumb.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 21, 2021 9:13:06 GMT -5
Feels like had we been given an 11 seed, we would have had an exponentially better shot at advancing. Colorado might have been the best 5 seed of the bunch. I still think we should have been a 10-11 seed. But the real problem was we couldn't handle the stage. So even as a 9 seed if we are missing all of our shots early we would still lose. All of the teams are pretty good that are in the tourney....
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 10:15:19 GMT -5
Not only did Colorado play well, we played poorly. Some of our poor play can be attributed to Colorado, but not all of it. We just couldn’t hit shots and get it going.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 21, 2021 11:38:37 GMT -5
Feels like had we been given an 11 seed, we would have had an exponentially better shot at advancing. Colorado might have been the best 5 seed of the bunch. I still think we should have been a 10-11 seed. But the real problem was we couldn't handle the stage. So even as a 9 seed if we are missing all of our shots early we would still lose. All of the teams are pretty good that are in the tourney.... We had absolutely no justifiable metric to be a 10-11. But hey while we are at if we would’ve been a 1 seed We don’t lose yesterday!
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 21, 2021 12:48:09 GMT -5
Not only did Colorado play well, we played poorly. Some of our poor play can be attributed to Colorado, but not all of it. We just couldn’t hit shots and get it going. I watched Colorado a few times during the year. We should not overestimate how good they are based on one game. It would be like evaluating us and Creighton based off the BET final. Neither team was as good or bad on average as they looked in that game. And the struggles of the one time magnified how good the other team looked. We very easily could have lost to Colorado normally, but they played lights out and we played terribly. PAC-12 was clearly undervalued, but Colorado is not gonna blitz most teams.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 12:53:32 GMT -5
Colorado is good, but the same GU team that ran the BET didn’t show up.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -5
FWIW - if Oregon St loses to Oklahoma St later today (as would be expected), every major conference tournament champ will have been eliminated in the first 1.5 rounds except Alabama (who could still lose Monday to Maryland):
BE: Gtown ACC: GT B10: Illinois B12: Texas P12: Oregon St? SEC: Alabama?
Granted this group had 3 teams seeded 9 or higher, still interesting that only 1-2 might make the second weekend.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2021 13:17:43 GMT -5
Also the mighty B10 may only have Michigan and Iowa standing by the end of tomorrow. Big East might have just as many S16 teams.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2021 13:20:15 GMT -5
So Sister Jean narrative > Patrick Ewing narrative
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