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Post by tashoya on Jul 2, 2021 10:52:27 GMT -5
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the growing economic inequality that is, invariably, worsened by Republican policies. It has a lot to do with many causal factors including the ones you listed. However, throwing money at these problems to amorphous “programs” is rarely, if ever, the answer. Correct. The main issue, economic inequality, should be the core focus, IMO. That said, it can't be addressed because Republicans aren't interested in addressing it. Until they become so, that problem and the ones it contributes to/exacerbates (poverty/crime/gang violence) will worsen.
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Post by bicentennial on Jul 2, 2021 18:28:22 GMT -5
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the growing economic inequality that is, invariably, worsened by Republican policies. It has a lot to do with many causal factors including the ones you listed. However, throwing money at these problems to amorphous “programs” is rarely, if ever, the answer. While I agree that throwing lots of money at a problem is not the solution. This is not alot of money. There are more than 1 million residents in Philadelphia so this amounts to $100 per citizen. As a Chicagoan, I think a large part of the problems in the big cities is the Trump removal of the SALT tax deduction and the fact that tax money flows from Blue states to Red states for the last 50 years instead of more money staying in the most populous states that pay the most taxes. If that money remained in those states that would help with local problems like inner city poverty that lead to some of the crime problems.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 2, 2021 20:29:22 GMT -5
It has a lot to do with many causal factors including the ones you listed. However, throwing money at these problems to amorphous “programs” is rarely, if ever, the answer. While I agree that throwing lots of money at a problem is not the solution. This is not alot of money. There are more than 1 million residents in Philadelphia so this amounts to $100 per citizen. As a Chicagoan, I think a large part of the problems in the big cities is the Trump removal of the SALT tax deduction and the fact that tax money flows from Blue states to Red states for the last 50 years instead of more money staying in the most populous states that pay the most taxes. If that money remained in those states that would help with local problems like inner city poverty that lead to some of the crime problems. This makes sense to me as well. Having said that, our biggest threat in 2021, aside from cyber attacks, is ourselves. Maybe that should be a consideration when it comes to sensible defense spending. All of a sudden "a lot of money" for programs becomes a Edited in the ocean.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2021 4:21:50 GMT -5
Republican cultists declining vaccinations to the detriment of the country. They are truly malignant and delusional. President Biden has earned high marks for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, but the government’s effort to vaccinate as many Americans as possible continues to face hurdles, including resistance among people who identify as Republicans, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. Today, more than 6 in 10 Americans say they approve of the job the president has done in dealing with the pandemic, almost identical to findings in April as he neared the end of his first 100 days in office. His overall approval stands at 50 percent positive and 42 percent negative, figures that are also virtually the same as in April. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-biden/2021/07/03/54e95b6e-db43-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.html
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Post by Elvado on Jul 4, 2021 4:28:44 GMT -5
Republican cultists declining vaccinations to the detriment of the country. They are truly malignant and delusional. President Biden has earned high marks for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, but the government’s effort to vaccinate as many Americans as possible continues to face hurdles, including resistance among people who identify as Republicans, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. Today, more than 6 in 10 Americans say they approve of the job the president has done in dealing with the pandemic, almost identical to findings in April as he neared the end of his first 100 days in office. His overall approval stands at 50 percent positive and 42 percent negative, figures that are also virtually the same as in April. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-biden/2021/07/03/54e95b6e-db43-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.htmlYou raise very valid concerns about Republican obstruction/reticence on the vaccine. How do you square that point with Philadelphia (90% Democrat) and 57% vaccination rate?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2021 7:30:08 GMT -5
Republican cultists declining vaccinations to the detriment of the country. They are truly malignant and delusional. President Biden has earned high marks for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, but the government’s effort to vaccinate as many Americans as possible continues to face hurdles, including resistance among people who identify as Republicans, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. Today, more than 6 in 10 Americans say they approve of the job the president has done in dealing with the pandemic, almost identical to findings in April as he neared the end of his first 100 days in office. His overall approval stands at 50 percent positive and 42 percent negative, figures that are also virtually the same as in April. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-biden/2021/07/03/54e95b6e-db43-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.htmlYou raise very valid concerns about Republican obstruction/reticence on the vaccine. How do you square that point with Philadelphia (90% Democrat) and 57% vaccination rate? I suspect the well-founded suspicion of African Americans (and the poor, generally) because of historical medical abuse in guise of free treatment which were, in fact, clinical trials conducted without obtaining informed consent. Additionally, poor communities are historically underserved with respect to access to health services. The access question may be equally applicable to rural red states as well but I don't know how you determine whether the lower rates are the result of the sociopath/GOP/Fox disinformation campaign from the medical access issue. www.ucsf.edu/news/2007/12/102785/scholar-speaks-about-history-medical-experimentation-african-americansSurely you were aware of this: ehss.energy.gov/ohre/roadmap/I defended the United States in Air Force sponsored "cold weather" studies of Inuit and Inupiats in the North Slope Borough in Alaska. The AF wanted to determine whether those indigenuous groups were somehow genetically more protected against cold weather. The particpants were injected with Iodine 131 in exchange for free medical treatment without obtaining informed consent. The AF chose to settle the case out of its O&M funds and not out of the judgement fund obligated by Congress every year for the settlement of monetary claims against the United States. bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu/achre/final/chap12_4.html
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Post by Elvado on Jul 4, 2021 7:36:42 GMT -5
You raise very valid concerns about Republican obstruction/reticence on the vaccine. How do you square that point with Philadelphia (90% Democrat) and 57% vaccination rate? I suspect the well-founded suspicion of African Americans (and the poor, generally) because of historical medical abuse in guise of free treatment which were, in fact, clinical trials conducted without obtaining informed consent. Additionally, poor communities are historically underserved with respect to access to health services. www.ucsf.edu/news/2007/12/102785/scholar-speaks-about-history-medical-experimentation-african-americansSo we can agree that much of the resistance to vaccination has zero to do with Republican leanings? As an aside, I completely understand the reluctance of many folks to get vaccinated for the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2021 7:43:54 GMT -5
So we can agree that much of the resistance to vaccination has zero to do with Republican leanings? As an aside, I completely understand the reluctance of many folks to get vaccinated for the reasons you mentioned. With respect to the African American community, yes. To suggest that political affiliation has nothing to do with vaccine resistance is a bit disingenuous IMO. Frank Luntz, Republucsn pollster/consultant: Luntz said Trump bears responsibility for the tens of millions of hesitant GOP voters, having used his presidential podium to make political attacks while missing opportunities to promote vaccines to his political base. “He wants to get the credit for developing the vaccine. Then he also gets the blame for so few of his voters taking it,” Luntz said in an interview. The longtime GOP pollster added that President Biden could be doing more to cross the aisle, such as making a joint appearance with Trump to tout the vaccines before promptly deferring to medical experts. www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/20/vaccine-hesitant-republicans/
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Post by Elvado on Jul 4, 2021 7:46:54 GMT -5
So we can agree that much of the resistance to vaccination has zero to do with Republican leanings? As an aside, I completely understand the reluctance of many folks to get vaccinated for the reasons you mentioned. With respect to the African American community, yes. To suggest that political affiliation has nothing to do with vaccine resistance is a bit disingenuous IMO. As disingenuous as to suggest it has everything to do with political affiliation, I guess. Blanket statements rarely cover a topic well.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 4, 2021 9:47:48 GMT -5
Republican cultists declining vaccinations to the detriment of the country. They are truly malignant and delusional. President Biden has earned high marks for his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, but the government’s effort to vaccinate as many Americans as possible continues to face hurdles, including resistance among people who identify as Republicans, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll. Today, more than 6 in 10 Americans say they approve of the job the president has done in dealing with the pandemic, almost identical to findings in April as he neared the end of his first 100 days in office. His overall approval stands at 50 percent positive and 42 percent negative, figures that are also virtually the same as in April. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-biden/2021/07/03/54e95b6e-db43-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.htmlYou raise very valid concerns about Republican obstruction/reticence on the vaccine. How do you square that point with Philadelphia (90% Democrat) and 57% vaccination rate? Philly met Biden's 70% one shot goal by July 4th so by his metric, Philly met the goal. So the 90% Democratic city with a large African American population met the goal. So there is really nothing to "square" is there? Perhaps a good faith effort by the state/city government to rollout vaccines and an educational/information campaign to overcome the understandable skepticism of the African Ametican community can work. Go figure. (My bad in trusting your cherry-picked statistic, I guess - trust but verify per Reagan 😁). The City of Philadelphia has reached a significant milestone — 70% of adults have received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. As of June 24, 775,091 Philadelphians have been fully vaccinated and 963,296 have received their first doses. Nearly 56% of Philadelphia adults are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported last week. www.thedp.com/article/2021/06/philadelphia-covid-19-vaccine-milestone-70-percentCompare Wyoming: In Wyoming, 227,741 people or 39% of the state has received at least one dose. Overall, 199,743 people or 34% of Wyoming's population has been fully vaccinated. usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/wyomingCompare Texas: In Texas, 13,990,784 people or 48% of the state has received at least one dose. Overall, 11,974,642 people or 41% of Texas's population has been fully vaccinated. usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/texas
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 4, 2021 10:32:05 GMT -5
You raise very valid concerns about Republican obstruction/reticence on the vaccine. How do you square that point with Philadelphia (90% Democrat) and 57% vaccination rate? Philly met Biden's 70% one shot goal by July 4th so by his metric, Philly met the goal. The City of Philadelphia has reached a significant milestone — 70% of adults have received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. So the 90% Democratic city with a large African American population met the goal. So there is really nothing to "square" is there? Perhaps a good faith effort by the state/city government to rollout vaccines and an educational/information campaign to overcome the understandable skepticism of the African Ametican community can work. Go figure. Nearly 56% of Philadelphia adults are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported last week. As of June 24, 775,091 Philadelphians have been fully vaccinated and 963,296 have received their first doses. www.thedp.com/article/2021/06/philadelphia-covid-19-vaccine-milestone-70-percentCompare Wyoming: In Wyoming, 227,741 people or 39% of the state has received at least one dose. Overall, 199,743 people or 34% of Wyoming's population has been fully vaccinated. usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/wyomingCompare Texas: In Texas, 13,990,784 people or 48% of the state has received at least one dose. Overall, 11,974,642 people or 41% of Texas's population has been fully vaccinated. usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/texasIt’s clear that vaccination acceptance is highly correlated to political affiliation. To think otherwise is, to quote another poster who continually gets everything wrong, “asinine”. Only in the alternate reality of the GOP is it all just happenstance. I guess that happens when you cherry-pick incorrect or incomplete data or deny objective reality.
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Post by guru on Jul 4, 2021 11:00:00 GMT -5
With respect to the African American community, yes. To suggest that political affiliation has nothing to do with vaccine resistance is a bit disingenuous IMO. As disingenuous as to suggest it has everything to do with political affiliation, I guess. Blanket statements rarely cover a topic well. Always a bad day on Hoyatalk when this poster decides to grace us with his singular brand of idiocy and trolling. Wrap that blanket statement around yourself. Maybe it’ll keep you from posting more nonsense.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jul 6, 2021 12:48:47 GMT -5
Republicans, those on this board included, are completely fact resistant. No matter how much we post a clear and convincing evidence of a correlation, it has no effect. It’s embarrassing. It should be clear to everyone, even to us of modest intelligence, that Biden’s goal of 70% vaccination would have been easily met if it weren’t for reality and science denying conservatives.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 6, 2021 12:59:08 GMT -5
Even Republican governors who seek to do the right thing admit the correlation between politics and vaccine hesitancy. So I'd stack up 90% Democratic Philly against 70% Cultist West Virginia anyday. HoyaTalk Republicans simply taking a page out of the sociopath's playbook. Deny and lie. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll showed 74 percent of people who haven’t been vaccinated say they probably or definitely won’t get vaccinated — and that the divide fell sharply along party lines. According to the survey, 86 percent of Democrats have received at least one vaccine shot compared with 45 percent of Republicans. Only 6 percent of Democrats said they are not likely to get vaccinated, compared with 47 percent of Republicans, including 38 percent of Republicans overall who said they definitely will not get the vaccine. Hutchinson alluded to some of that partisan divide Sunday when asked about why it had been so difficult to increase Arkansas’ vaccination rate. “Well, in a rural state, in a conservative state, there is hesitancy. And you’re trying to overcome that,” Hutchinson said. “We got the early vaccinations out because people were anxious. They were in a very vulnerable population. Our cases went down dramatically. And that slowed the vaccination rate. The urgency diminished. And now it’s picking up again.” West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice (R) had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy, particularly among young people, despite the incentives states are offering that include lottery prizes and college scholarships. “The red states probably have a lot of people that are very, very conservative in their thinking and they think, ‘Well, I don’t have to do that.’ But they’re not thinking right,” Justice said on ABC’s “This Week.” The governor has aggressively urged his residents to get vaccinated for months, and West Virginia has been offering everything from college scholarships to free hunting and fishing licenses as incentives. Despite that, only 52 percent of adults in West Virginia have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/04/republicans-vaccines/
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 6, 2021 15:30:24 GMT -5
Biden would have met the 70% goal but for ignorant cultists. The same echo chamber that our HoyaTalk Republicans inhabit. The states that have the lowest vaccination rates — Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Wyoming — are all Republican redoubts. It’s no coincidence that many red states are also seeing the worst outbreaks of the disease in recent weeks: The average number of daily cases in the past 14 days has surged 145 percent in South Carolina, 137 percent in Nebraska and 121 percent in Arkansas. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calculates that 99.5 percent of U.S. covid-19 deaths in the past six months were among unvaccinated people. The Biden administration, in cooperation with the states, has done a superb job of rolling out the vaccines. Pretty much anyone older than 12 who wants a shot can get one. The problem is that a significant percentage of the country refuses to get vaccinated. While young people and African Americans exhibit vaccine hesitancy, the most problematic group by far is Republicans.
But 57 percent of Republicans in the Post-ABC poll say officials are exaggerating the delta variant’s risk, compared with only 12 percent of Democrats. T hese Republicans have fallen victim to a virulent strain of misinformation circulating in the right-wing echo chamber.www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/06/republican-antivaxxers-biden-vaccination-goal/
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