95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 11, 2022 3:08:33 GMT -5
He has no dog in him on the court. Frankly none of our guys do aside from Aminu.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 11, 2022 6:59:02 GMT -5
In general, if you grow up with nothing there’s a certain hardness and edge that comes from your circumstances. If you are born to parents of multimillionaires there’s a softness that comes from that experience. No disrespect to anyone, this is a blanket observation.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Mar 11, 2022 7:55:01 GMT -5
He has no dog in him on the court. Frankly none of our guys do aside from Aminu. Aside from Harris, I would totally agree with you. And Big Tim has some dog in him. He just doesn't know how to use it.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 11, 2022 8:25:02 GMT -5
He has no dog in him on the court. Frankly none of our guys do aside from Aminu. Aside from Harris, I would totally agree with you. And Big Tim has some dog in him. He just doesn't know how to use it. Aminu, Dante and Collin all play with a edge. JBills has it in based off his HS tape but I don't think he is comfortable yet. Tyler isn't exactly soft but he definitely doesn't play with the normal ChiTown edge....hopefully with a 2nd year of S&C will help.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 11, 2022 9:07:32 GMT -5
In general, if you grow up with nothing there’s a certain hardness and edge that comes from your circumstances. If you are born to parents of multimillionaires there’s a softness that comes from that experience. No disrespect to anyone, this is a blanket observation. In fairness to Ryan, I don't think he probably ever had to play with much of an edge. It sounds like the competition he played against in high school was not very high level, so he was able to dominate because of his size and never really needed to exhibit a "mean streak" on the court. I am sure his freshman year in the Big East opened his eyes a little to the aggressiveness that the players show on the court and he will raise to that challenge. It as impressive for parts of the Nova/St John's game to see how aggressive the St John's big men were attacking the rim everytime they caught the ball or were pursuing an offensive rebound. That type of almost reckless physical play (basically trying to dunk everything) sets a tone for games and teams. St John's does not have the depth of talent that some of the other Big East teams have, but they play with an edge.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Mar 11, 2022 10:57:44 GMT -5
Aside from Harris, I would totally agree with you. And Big Tim has some dog in him. He just doesn't know how to use it. Aminu, Dante and Collin all play with a edge. JBills has it in based off his HS tape but I don't think he is comfortable yet. Tyler isn't exactly soft but he definitely doesn't play with the normal ChiTown edge....hopefully with a 2nd year of S&C will help. Riley is a dog as are Bass and Anglin. We just need a bruising PF to come in to complement the team and we’ll be a tough, physical unit next year. Got a great S&C coach so I know the younger boys will take a huge step forward this year with their bodies. Psyched to follow the off-season and finally get to Kenner.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 11, 2022 11:08:27 GMT -5
Yes, we really need a healthy and improved Riley.
Ryan just needs to keep working hard. He has the talent to be a plus player with time and development.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 11, 2022 11:35:20 GMT -5
Ryan is so easy to like.
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Post by practice on Mar 11, 2022 11:56:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure the issue is "dog" in Mutumbo as much as it is being 7'+ and learning how to move. He has a little bit of the baby giraffe/young Roy Hibbert in his movement. He needs to get both stronger and agile. I have not doubt that he can ... he has one of the best looking 15 foot shots I've ever seen for a young center ... he just needs to grow into his body.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 11, 2022 12:11:15 GMT -5
Aminu, Dante and Collin all play with a edge. JBills has it in based off his HS tape but I don't think he is comfortable yet. Tyler isn't exactly soft but he definitely doesn't play with the normal ChiTown edge....hopefully with a 2nd year of S&C will help. Riley is a dog as are Bass and Anglin. We just need a bruising PF to come in to complement the team and we’ll be a tough, physical unit next year. Got a great S&C coach so I know the younger boys will take a huge step forward this year with their bodies. Psyched to follow the off-season and finally get to Kenner. Hoyas need the 21st century version of Michael Graham. I too look forward to Kenner and nostalgic visits to the Tombs.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 11, 2022 12:30:37 GMT -5
Aminu, Dante and Collin all play with a edge. JBills has it in based off his HS tape but I don't think he is comfortable yet. Tyler isn't exactly soft but he definitely doesn't play with the normal ChiTown edge....hopefully with a 2nd year of S&C will help. Riley is a dog as are Bass and Anglin. We just need a bruising PF to come in to complement the team and we’ll be a tough, physical unit next year. Got a great S&C coach so I know the younger boys will take a huge step forward this year with their bodies. Psyched to follow the off-season and finally get to Kenner. Kenner this year will be big. I didn't add Riley because I just didn't know either way. My thoughts of a positive season next year hinge on retention, a grad PF and JR being a dog...
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Post by madhoya on Mar 11, 2022 12:40:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure the issue is "dog" in Mutumbo as much as it is being 7'+ and learning how to move. He has a little bit of the baby giraffe/young Roy Hibbert in his movement. He needs to get both stronger and agile. I have not doubt that he can ... he has one of the best looking 15 foot shots I've ever seen for a young center ... he just needs to grow into his body. Agree!!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 11, 2022 14:42:27 GMT -5
Ryan's problem is he is too slow to keep up.
He can run fine north-south, but when it comes to east-west, changing direction, that is where he struggles.
The Hibbert comparison as a freshmen is similar. Hibbert was never Ewing in terms of movement as a player, but he did improve his agility throughout his years at G-town. Ryan can do the same.
He is a good young man and has a great temperament. His positive outlook is a breath of fresh air and will help in his development as a basketball player.
Looking forward to see his development.
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 11, 2022 15:18:08 GMT -5
Ryan's problem is he is too slow to keep up. He can run fine north-south, but when it comes to east-west, changing direction, that is where he struggles. The Hibbert comparison as a freshmen is similar. Hibbert was never Ewing in terms of movement as a player, but he did improve his agility throughout his years at G-town. Ryan can do the same. He is a good young man and has a great temperament. His positive outlook is a breath of fresh air and will help in his development as a basketball player. Looking forward to see his development. I think that is exactly right on all fronts, especially his current on the court challenges. One of my aggravations with the coaching this year is that Ryan would be put into situations and defensive schemes where he was gonna get beat, notwithstanding effort, and then when he did he’d immediately get pulled. Wednesday night’s one minute of PT an exemplar of that. It’s fine to recruit players into your system and then let them sink or swim in that system, but if you have players that you know can’t play it that way, it is on you as the coach to adjust. Random Ryan note: pal of mine’s son in Atlanta played on Ryan’s travel team, and gave me the heads up that there was gonna be work to be done here, so I’m not surprised how it has turned out this year. But my gosh, DEVELOP the young man (or perhaps saying “develop the young ZONE” might be more apt).
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 11, 2022 15:23:18 GMT -5
He has no dog in him on the court. Frankly none of our guys do aside from Aminu. I think Mutombo needs to just get stronger. Harris certainly has dog in him as does Kobe Clark.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Mar 11, 2022 15:44:52 GMT -5
I believe that the only problem for Ryan and virtually all the other freshmen is that expectations were unjustifiably raised by characterization of this group as Ewing's best recruiting class without the realization that due to graduation and transfers they would be asked to take on much larger roles than they were ready for. Realistically this team had only 3 "experienced" players this year--Harris a sophomore, plus Carey and Rice. So even when those three played there were a minimum of 2 inexperienced players on the floor. Certainly Tim, Holloway and Wilson would not be considered experienced. Ditto for Clarke, who remains inexperienced. Let's hope they are back and give them some time to grow as individuals and players.
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Post by the_way on Mar 11, 2022 15:52:23 GMT -5
I believe that the only problem for Ryan and virtually all the other freshmen is that expectations were unjustifiably raised by characterization of this group as Ewing's best recruiting class without the realization that due to graduation and transfers they would be asked to take on much larger roles than they were ready for. Realistically this team had only 3 "experienced" players this year--Harris a sophomore, plus Carey and Rice. So even when those three played there were a minimum of 2 inexperienced players on the floor. Certainly Tim, Holloway and Wilson would not be considered experienced. Ditto for Clarke, who remains inexperienced. Let's hope they are back and give them some time to grow as individuals and players. Of the players you mentioned, only Carey, Wilson, Tim, and Rice are upperclassmen. With Tim and Wilson as previous backups/project type players and Rice as a transfer from The Citadel, Carey was the only returning upperclassmen with big time college basketball experience. Not a coincidence that Carey was our most consistent and reliable player this year.
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 22, 2022 15:33:38 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2022 15:39:51 GMT -5
Looks like they're going to tweet out the same for every player. Same tweet for Ty Beard and Jalin Billingsley, IIRC.
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 22, 2022 15:50:05 GMT -5
Looks like they're going to tweet out the same for every player. Same tweet for Ty Beard and Jalin Billingsley, IIRC. I’ll take it if it indicates that we’ll have consistency next year with these kids coming back. All our frosh are already or quickly could become strong rotation players for us, if not starters. Keeping that around a couple years would be great!
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