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Post by greyhoundalum on Aug 7, 2020 22:16:04 GMT -5
What recruits has he (Akbar Waheed) brought in? I keep hearing people giving props to Orr and Kirby but I never hear his name. Isn’t he supposed to be our local guy?
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Post by phniousgren on Aug 7, 2020 22:26:57 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken it's been stated that he's managed in 3 and 1 half years and 4 recruiting cycles to nab 1 local recruit and that was Terrence Williams..and he's currently where?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 7, 2020 22:35:09 GMT -5
What recruits has he brought in? I keep hearing people giving props to Orr and Kirby but I never hear his name. Isn’t he supposed to be our local guy? It can be tough to tell sometimes because we are dependent on interviews from the recruits to know which assistant recruited them. But for sure Waheed was the lead on Malinowski and Pickett. As was mentioned before he was the lead on Terrance Williams (not to mention Davis and Moncrieffe). It’s also possible he could have been the lead on a number of other recruits and transfers (like Blair, Wahab, Allen, Harris, etc.) and we just don’t know about his level of involvement since we just don’t know which assistant was involved. I believe he’s the current lead on Collins. |
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Post by greyhoundalum on Aug 7, 2020 22:44:03 GMT -5
What recruits has he brought in? I keep hearing people giving props to Orr and Kirby but I never hear his name. Isn’t he supposed to be our local guy? It can be tough to tell sometimes because we are dependent on interviews from the recruits to know which assistant recruited them. But for sure Waheed was the lead on Malinowski and Pickett. As was mentioned before he was the lead on Terrance Williams (not to mention Davis and Moncrieffe). It’s also possible he could have been the lead on a number of other recruits and transfers (like Blair, Wahab, Allen, Harris, etc.) and we just don’t know about his level of involvement since we just don’t know which assistant was involved. I believe he’s the current lead on Collins. Pat was the lead on one of those guys you named. I work with one of those kids mother. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 8, 2020 10:01:15 GMT -5
Isn't Waheed typically the lead on the Canadian kids we've pursued?
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 8, 2020 10:19:30 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has always been a loyal guy. Like in business, in running a program, sometimes you have to make tough decisions. I’m not saying Waheed is a problem....just interesting to me that there has been no turnover or adjustments of any kind in his staff. I could see this being the case if you are killing it both on and off the court....but just interesting that there haven’t been any moves here.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Aug 8, 2020 12:27:18 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has always been a loyal guy. Like in business, in running a program, sometimes you have to make tough decisions. I’m not saying Waheed is a problem....just interesting to me that there has been no turnover or adjustments of any kind in his staff. I could see this being the case if you are killing it both on and off the court....but just interesting that there haven’t been any moves here. I hear you. It is a contrast from the last 5 or so years of JT3 when there was a revolving door of assistants (outside of Broadus). It felt then that coaches looked to get away. I do think this year is special. It felt like the whole sport was placed on hold with few new head coach hires and then correspondingly few new assistant opportunities. Understandable why nothing moved this year. I’m not sure whether the glass half full view is correct. And I know some who would argue that Orr and Waheed couldn’t get better jobs. It’s always hard to say but we are kind of at the point where it couldn’t hurt to mix things up a bit. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 8, 2020 14:02:01 GMT -5
You have to imagine that Coach Ewing assembled the best team he could based on who was available when he got the gig at Georgetown. You also have to assume that other names may be available now that weren’t necessarily on the table 3 years ago. He needs to be focused on upgrading all aspects of the program whenever he can. It’s a little curious that he hasn’t.
On the flip side, given his coaches have stayed with him...tells me they either like him or are apathetic. In either case, it’s no reason for him to hold on to anyone if they aren’t performing at a high, high level.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Aug 8, 2020 16:27:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly what each assistant coach is responsible for? We have doubted Coach Ewing in the past. I believe he is the undoubted head of this team and if he believed anyone, including the waterboy, was not doing their job, they would no longer be on the sideline.
Just like all other fans, I want this team to perform well and play by the rules. We have better athletes and more depth than we have had in a while. I know it won't take much, but I believe this team will be the best defensively of the four we have had. They looked better for stretches last year. Better defense will turn into more wins.
Sorry to have gone off topic a bit.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 8, 2020 17:49:48 GMT -5
This is such a distasteful & disrespectful thread. Recruiting is just one aspect of college asst. Coaches job. There is player development, opponent scout and strategy responsibilities among other on court & off court responsibilities.
We also don't know what his role/responsibility allocation is. The asst. Coach identifies the prospect but at the end of the day it's the head coach that closes the deal.
Some head coaches dole out recruiting responsibilities by regions, some by classes, some do both. Coach Waheed maybe responsible for the early evaluations i.e. 2023-2024 classes. We do know. From what I understand he works with guards along with Coach Crouch. That has actually been this teams strength the last couple of seasons. Unless your in the coaches meetings and traveling with the team and staff daily, then NO-ONE has the right to openly criticize his role on the staff.
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Post by the_way on Aug 8, 2020 18:45:23 GMT -5
Roles vary for assistants from one program to the next.
Landing recruits hasn't been an issue at G-town.
Keeping recruits has been an issue. If everybody stayed, there would be a lot less finger-pointing right now.
Let's be fair. Ewing walked into a place where he had to build from scratch. A program coming off of two losing seasons prior to his arrival. The margin for error for missing on recruits and transfers was low.
We could use some improvement in the evaluation phase to determine not only if the kid is talented, but is a he good fit for our program, on and off the court.
That isn't on one coach. That is a program issue and it starts with the head coach.
We can land kids. We can land kids when we are in a pinch. Ewing has also done well with grad-transfers and transfers for the most part.
Being a better judge of character when recruiting talent (easier said than done) and playing some defense. That will turn this thing around.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 8, 2020 20:16:29 GMT -5
Coach Ewing has always been a loyal guy. Like in business, in running a program, sometimes you have to make tough decisions. I’m not saying Waheed is a problem....just interesting to me that there has been no turnover or adjustments of any kind in his staff. I could see this being the case if you are killing it both on and off the court....but just interesting that there haven’t been any moves here. Yup. True in every business in which you work with friends. Double-edged sword. Hopefully, we start seeing more of the positives of that double-edge. |
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Post by tashoya on Aug 8, 2020 20:20:13 GMT -5
This is such a distasteful & disrespectful thread. Recruiting is just one aspect of college asst. Coaches job. There is player development, opponent scout and strategy responsibilities among other on court & off court responsibilities. We also don't know what his role/responsibility allocation is. The asst. Coach identifies the prospect but at the end of the day it's the head coach that closes the deal. Some head coaches dole out recruiting responsibilities by regions, some by classes, some do both. Coach Waheed maybe responsible for the early evaluations i.e. 2023-2024 classes. We do know. From what I understand he works with guards along with Coach Crouch. That has actually been this teams strength the last couple of seasons. Unless your in the coaches meetings and traveling with the team and staff daily, then NO-ONE has the right to openly criticize his role on the staff. It may be distasteful but it's only disrespectful, IMO, if people are asserting, based on assumptions, that someone isn't getting it done. To ask the question, I feel, is valid. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 8, 2020 22:45:54 GMT -5
Agreed. So far...everyone seems to have kept the discourse above board.
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Post by dense on Aug 9, 2020 7:00:40 GMT -5
This is such a distasteful & disrespectful thread. Recruiting is just one aspect of college asst. Coaches job. There is player development, opponent scout and strategy responsibilities among other on court & off court responsibilities. We also don't know what his role/responsibility allocation is. The asst. Coach identifies the prospect but at the end of the day it's the head coach that closes the deal. Some head coaches dole out recruiting responsibilities by regions, some by classes, some do both. Coach Waheed maybe responsible for the early evaluations i.e. 2023-2024 classes. We do know. From what I understand he works with guards along with Coach Crouch. That has actually been this teams strength the last couple of seasons. Unless your in the coaches meetings and traveling with the team and staff daily, then NO-ONE has the right to openly criticize his role on the staff. It may be distasteful but it's only disrespectful, IMO, if people are asserting, based on assumptions, that someone isn't getting it done. To ask the question, I feel, is valid. How would you know? We don't know what each staff members responsibility is? |
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Aug 9, 2020 8:12:51 GMT -5
I’m with Hoyas4Ever on this one. Look at the title of this thread. It is not “assistant coaches” or “role of assts” or any one of one hundred ways that this question could be posed neutrally. For the past two years I have witnessed open discussions on Twitter about Waheed. Lately, he is the asst everyone envisions switching out with either Freeman or Wright. We can all agree that Ewing needs the best help possible. Above I was suggesting that it is positive that Ewing engenders loyalty. Then it was suggested that the current assistants could be apathetic. If that is not an insult, I do not know what one is. If Ewing let go one of his assistants at the end of his contract, would he be able to replace him? The University issued a hard hiring freeze at the end of March. Why would anyone assume that he would get approval? Finally, I am on staff at the University. Among the various losses of this pandemic will be several staff lines. I expect that this will affect several of my colleagues, people who have been productive and frankly will have trouble finding work afterwards. I personally count myself as lucky that I am not making any decisions, but I also know that I am not safe. No one is. And I find it offensive that we, a group of ppl that supports the university, are so cavalier in talking about someone’s job, particularly since we do not know him or his role. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 9, 2020 9:26:36 GMT -5
I’m with Hoyas4Ever on this one. Look at the title of this thread. It is not “assistant coaches” or “role of assts” or any one of one hundred ways that this question could be posed neutrally. For the past two years I have witnessed open discussions on Twitter about Waheed. Lately, he is the asst everyone envisions switching out with either Freeman or Wright. We can all agree that Ewing needs the best help possible. Above I was suggesting that it is positive that Ewing engenders loyalty. Then it was suggested that the current assistants could be apathetic. If that is not an insult, I do not know what one is. If Ewing let go one of his assistants at the end of his contract, would he be able to replace him? The University issued a hard hiring freeze at the end of March. Why would anyone assume that he would get approval? Finally, I am on staff at the University. Among the various losses of this pandemic will be several staff lines. I expect that this will affect several of my colleagues, people who have been productive and frankly will have trouble finding work afterwards. I personally count myself as lucky that I am not making any decisions, but I also know that I am not safe. No one is. And I find it offensive that we, a group of ppl that supports the university, are so cavalier in talking about someone’s job, particularly since we do not know him or his role. Thanks for the thoughtful post....you bring up a lot of valid points. Agree that the title of the thread is highly suggestive that there is some sort of problem with Waheed....no one knows that....for all we know he might be the ideal fit for our program. Someone should change the title. I also understand that the timing of such a thread is problematic given the pandemic, lay offs, hiring freezes, etc.. I just had to furlough 3000 employees....I get it. It’s horrible!! However, I’m not sure that that alone should preclude us from having a discussion on the needs of the program. The only part of this I found interesting (which honestly never crossed my mind) was the continuity of the current staff. That could be a good thing or not. I think that part of the discussion is fair. I’m not one that questions the staff....however I do believe that attracting local talent is super important for the program. In a perfect world it would be great to simply add another asst who has strong ties to the area as well. I’m not sure that’s even feasible....but just the ideal scenario in my mind. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 9, 2020 10:43:25 GMT -5
I’m with Hoyas4Ever on this one. Look at the title of this thread. It is not “assistant coaches” or “role of assts” or any one of one hundred ways that this question could be posed neutrally. For the past two years I have witnessed open discussions on Twitter about Waheed. Lately, he is the asst everyone envisions switching out with either Freeman or Wright. We can all agree that Ewing needs the best help possible. Above I was suggesting that it is positive that Ewing engenders loyalty. Then it was suggested that the current assistants could be apathetic. If that is not an insult, I do not know what one is. If Ewing let go one of his assistants at the end of his contract, would he be able to replace him? The University issued a hard hiring freeze at the end of March. Why would anyone assume that he would get approval? Finally, I am on staff at the University. Among the various losses of this pandemic will be several staff lines. I expect that this will affect several of my colleagues, people who have been productive and frankly will have trouble finding work afterwards. I personally count myself as lucky that I am not making any decisions, but I also know that I am not safe. No one is. And I find it offensive that we, a group of ppl that supports the university, are so cavalier in talking about someone’s job, particularly since we do not know him or his role. I obviously completely agree with everything you said here iheartdurenbros! I also want to add that I think it's in poor taste and sign of immaturity that ex players like Chris Wright & Austin Freeman are using their platform to campaign for a job on the staff. Neither of them are really qualified yet for such a position and come across as well I played here so they should give a job on staff because I want it. As someone with college coaching and athletic administration experience, you gotta grind to make your way up. Right now Tyler Adams is easily way more qualified then both but he's not openly campaigning for a job he's grinding. He's worked at the high school level, AAU, and JUCO and has finally received his first D1 job at a lower level school where he will have to grind a few more years before he can possibly get to a mid major. He will probably have over 10 years of college coaching experience before gets a "high major" interview. Now Freeman has spent last year on Dematha's bench. That's a start, but he has a lot more grinding and growing to do. He needs to get in the AAU game, maybe JUCO or D2 level to continue build his resume and develop relationships with high school and AAU brokers/coaches before he's even qualified for a D1 job. Kevin Braswell is better qualified experience wise but doesn't have the academic qualifications yet. I also wonder what relationships he has with high school/AAU programs and how well developed they are in a variety of areas since he's been overseas for so long. His campaigning for the job was also in very poor taste. Especially naming high level recruits he "thinks" he could bring in. Don't get me wrong, I love them as players at Georgetown and think that one day they could be great additions to the Georgetown staff but they are shinning a light on some of their immaturity and inexperience of the business of high major college basketball. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 9, 2020 10:51:47 GMT -5
Good points, title edited.
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 9, 2020 13:10:06 GMT -5
I was worried about the assistant coaches until we started landing players. So long as the recruiting classes are good I don’t particularly care who is recruiting where and who of the three are landing players so long as Coach Pat is satisfied with their respective work. The 2021 class looks like it will be our best yet so this isn’t really a convo we should be worried about unless kids start to decommit or 2022 is a mess.
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