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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 9, 2020 10:12:12 GMT -5
Being respectful doesn't necessarily mean they are new to it. Let's be honest: Ewing, Jr went to a Final Four and was a Big East Regular season champion the following year. His "upset" loss was against the likes of some guy named Stephen Curry. The year he sat-out as a transfer, the team went to the Sweet Sixteen. His experience playing for 2 years was much different from Monroe's. A lot of room for discussion. Monroe's teams never won a NCAA tournament game. Never won a NIT game. His upset loss was against the likes of Ohio. What more could they really cover that had not been covered already? Not much. Plus, Monroe's personality is different from Ewing, Jr.'s. They have done 4 or 5 podcasts. They are new to it. As far as "What more could they really cover..." - I mean, how about virtually anything about the game? Monroe's thoughts on going to the NCAA tournament? The environment? Or how about the 2010 season? The great BET run that team made? There is lots to talk about, they just didn't do it. I understand that Wright and Freeman may have talked about it a little on another podcast, but at least on Dawg Tawk, it has never been discussed. Nor have I ever seen Monroe have a discussion about it. As I said, I understand that not everyone will feel as comfortable as Vaughn did in making more specific comments. And, I understand that Dawg Tawk is meant to be a more informal conversation. And maybe in this instance Monroe just didn't want to talk about it, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I just think ignoring it entirely does a disservice to everyone involved.
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Post by BigmanU on Jul 9, 2020 13:56:49 GMT -5
Being respectful doesn't necessarily mean they are new to it. Let's be honest: Ewing, Jr went to a Final Four and was a Big East Regular season champion the following year. His "upset" loss was against the likes of some guy named Stephen Curry. The year he sat-out as a transfer, the team went to the Sweet Sixteen. His experience playing for 2 years was much different from Monroe's. A lot of room for discussion. Monroe's teams never won a NCAA tournament game. Never won a NIT game. His upset loss was against the likes of Ohio. What more could they really cover that had not been covered already? Not much. Plus, Monroe's personality is different from Ewing, Jr.'s. They have done 4 or 5 podcasts. They are new to it. As far as "What more could they really cover..." - I mean, how about virtually anything about the game? Monroe's thoughts on going to the NCAA tournament? The environment? Or how about the 2010 season? The great BET run that team made? There is lots to talk about, they just didn't do it. I understand that Wright and Freeman may have talked about it a little on another podcast, but at least on Dawg Tawk, it has never been discussed. Nor have I ever seen Monroe have a discussion about it. As I said, I understand that not everyone will feel as comfortable as Vaughn did in making more specific comments. And, I understand that Dawg Tawk is meant to be a more informal conversation. And maybe in this instance Monroe just didn't want to talk about it, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I just think ignoring it entirely does a disservice to everyone involved. No disrespect, but who really wants to discuss that Ohio loss. It's the equivalent of rubbing a dogs nose in it. Bad memories, we all know what happened.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jul 9, 2020 13:59:57 GMT -5
I recently finished the Greg Monroe episode. Again, I am thankful that Chris and Austin are doing these interviews, it's great to hear insights from our former players. I did think Monroe was a little more guarded than Ewing Jr. or Green, and you could tell he wanted to avoid more controversial areas. That said, I thought his comments on McClung were clearly coming from a genuine place, and appreciated it. You can also tell that Monroe is a really smart guy with great basketball IQ (which we knew already). That said, I am going to call out Chris and Austin a little bit on their interviewing. I realize Monroe's freshman season team was largely a mess, and the sophomore team ended in the Ohio debacle, but how can you do a Georgetown podcast covering Monroe's career and NOT even touch on details of those seasons, especially the the Ohio game? I realize the Ohio game is likely a sore spot for all involved (Wright, Freeman, and Monroe especially), and maybe they do not feel comfortable talking about it, but given Julian Vaughn's comments on it, I think it at least merited a little attention, even if the plan was to largely dodge the question. By not covering it at all, it's obvious they were purposely ignoring it. That said, I very much appreciate what they are doing. But, in the future, I'd like them to cover key topics, even if the guests largely provide non-answers. If you say Monroe was guarded during the interview, maybe they talked beforehand of what subjects to cover? Those 2 years at G-town for Monroe were marked as a disappointment given the hype of Monroe being a top player and Wright/Freeman also being all-americans. Everyone is different. Not everyone is an open book. Plus, If Vaughn already spoke on the Ohio situation, no use beating a dead horse. Want to keep things fresh for the podcast. I really enjoyed the interview, and did not find him guarded at all. His comments on MM were particularly telling, and a nice "other side" to the story painted by MM. It would be great to get Monroe's take more widely distributed.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 9, 2020 14:39:39 GMT -5
I just think ignoring it entirely does a disservice to everyone involved. What exactly is the disservice done by not rehashing a difficult and embarrassing loss from a decade ago? Or asked another way, what would it have accomplished to dig into that? None of those players or coaches are in the program anymore, so I'm not sure that there's anything of value to really learn from it. It would just be a downer for the guest, the hosts, and the fans listening. If they wanted to talk about it as some sort of catharsis that would seem reasonable, but I don't understand why you'd think they have some obligation to bring it up, or imply that the reason they didn't want to bring it up must be because they're inexperienced. Free and Wright stated that the catalyst for getting into podcasting was McClung's comments about not feeling a family atmosphere, and that they wanted a way to unite the Hoya family. With that in mind, I don't think we should expect interviews to be conducted with the commitment to journalistic integrity of some undergrad at the Newhouse school. If Pete Thamel or Gary Parrish or someone was having a conversation with Wright, Freeman, and Monroe, I'm sure the Ohio game would be on their rundown of topics to hit. But the point of Dawg Talk to me is sort of to catch up with former Hoyas, talk about what they're up to these days, reminisce about the old days, and maybe talk a bit about the current state of the program and what's needed. Similar to the conversations you might have (or overhear) at a big Georgetown basketball function that brings out a lot of alumni, like the 100 years banquet or the Thompson Center unveiling. I don't think anyone would expect much dissection of something like the Ohio game in that kind of setting.
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Post by blueandgray on Jul 10, 2020 11:19:33 GMT -5
I wished it was another podcast or something where they addressed that game and Vaughn's comments. Keep the fans wanting more... I think they want to stay positive on the podcast and as a result they pretty much skipped over the Ohio game. Their goal is to build the program up. There are plenty of places for people to go to tear it down...hoyatalk being one of them.
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Post by TC on Jul 10, 2020 12:31:23 GMT -5
When Henry Sims comes on, the people need to hear about his ground-breaking GUSA run.
Also, who is Georgetown's Cheddar Bob?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 16:32:44 GMT -5
When Henry Sims comes on, the people need to hear about his ground-breaking GUSA run. Also, who is Georgetown's Cheddar Bob?Not sure back then. As of 3 months ago, McClung.
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Post by TC on Jul 10, 2020 16:43:51 GMT -5
When Henry Sims comes on, the people need to hear about his ground-breaking GUSA run. Also, who is Georgetown's Cheddar Bob?Not sure back then. As of 3 months ago, McClung. Yeah, that doesn't help, because I'm pretty sure Chris Wright didn't room with Mac McClung.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jul 10, 2020 18:56:02 GMT -5
Love Wright, Freeman, and Pat Junior going on about how bad Macklin was at the shooting drill in practice.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 10, 2020 22:45:14 GMT -5
When Henry Sims comes on, the people need to hear about his ground-breaking GUSA run. Also, who is Georgetown's Cheddar Bob? I’m pretty sure he was referring to Omar Wattad. They’ve mentioned him a few times now, though usually as “ole dirty”.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 11, 2020 18:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 11, 2020 21:55:42 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 12, 2020 8:02:30 GMT -5
Henry Sims and Jason Clark on Dawg Talk that dropped today.
Lots of criticism of the system and even some regrets
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 12, 2020 9:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by bornhoya on Jul 12, 2020 10:00:47 GMT -5
Now if they would just let the team wear these
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Post by tgo on Jul 12, 2020 11:29:57 GMT -5
Was I the only one one who was really put off by the way that Braswell was campaigning for a job? He didn't come off very likable to me. Seemed like he was saying he could bring recruits with him if they would give him the job he wants, makes it sound like he is looking out for himself when he says that instead of looking out for the kids or for GU. Along that note, did i hear him correctly that he coached a team to two championships in three years and then was fired? That is a red flag to me. It could just be new ownership like he said but given the attitude he displayed in other areas, makes me think he would be tough to work with. If I were hiring, I would be really hesitant to bring him on board based on the admittedly limited exposure i had to him through Dawg Talk.
I also didn't like that he bad mouthed his teammates - it is one thing to joke about how player x or y had trouble with something while saying they were a good team mate etc etc but Braswell says that there were only 2 players on his team. That is harsh to the people he lived with and played with. Doesn't take much to soften that considerably while saying the same thing if he goes "I played with a lot of great guys who I love but Mike & I didn't have a lot of help during some of those games" or something like that. He was quick to throw people under the bus...
He also throws out that Tyler Beard needed help with his studies. Whether that is true or not, I don't think he should be blasting that out. Not his place to say it and not the right time and place.
When he started talking about turning down the NIT it lead to him talking about his journey to become a PRO, too bad he didn't touch on how the team felt about turning it down - did Esh involve them in the decision at all? I don't thin so. It was very controversial at the time and i dont think i have ever heard the players opinion that.
I was also really disappointed that Sweetney didn't get a chance to talk. He is one of my favorites all time and I would have really liked to hear his voice on things but he is a quiet guy and Braswell would have had to stop talking for a few seconds for that to have happened.
Last note, I would love to have heard Braswell talk about the NIT game against UVA or Sweets to talk about the marathon against ND. I think a recurring question asking players for their favorite game or best personal performance would be fun and would be something positive to discuss.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 12, 2020 12:00:08 GMT -5
Was I the only one one who was really put off by the way that Braswell was campaigning for a job? He didn't come off very likable to me. Seemed like he was saying he could bring recruits with him if they would give him the job he wants, makes it sound like he is looking out for himself when he says that instead of looking out for the kids or for GU. Along that note, did i hear him correctly that he coached a team to two championships in three years and then was fired? That is a red flag to me. It could just be new ownership like he said but given the attitude he displayed in other areas, makes me think he would be tough to work with. If I were hiring, I would be really hesitant to bring him on board based on the admittedly limited exposure i had to him through Dawg Talk. I also didn't like that he bad mouthed his teammates - it is one thing to joke about how player x or y had trouble with something while saying they were a good team mate etc etc but Braswell says that there were only 2 players on his team. That is harsh to the people he lived with and played with. Doesn't take much to soften that considerably while saying the same thing if he goes "I played with a lot of great guys who I love but Mike & I didn't have a lot of help during some of those games" or something like that. He was quick to throw people under the bus... He also throws out that Tyler Beard needed help with his studies. Whether that is true or not, I don't think he should be blasting that out. Not his place to say it and not the right time and place. When he started talking about turning down the NIT it lead to him talking about his journey to become a PRO, too bad he didn't touch on how the team felt about turning it down - did Esh involve them in the decision at all? I don't thin so. It was very controversial at the time and i dont think i have ever heard the players opinion that. I was also really disappointed that Sweetney didn't get a chance to talk. He is one of my favorites all time and I would have really liked to hear his voice on things but he is a quiet guy and Braswell would have had to stop talking for a few seconds for that to have happened. Last note, I would love to have heard Braswell talk about the NIT game against UVA or Sweets to talk about the marathon against ND. I think a recurring question asking players for their favorite game or best personal performance would be fun and would be something positive to discuss. To be fair, Wright and Freeman lobby for a job pretty much every episode. And given that Ewing and Ewing Jr worked with Braswell to get his degree, which is a prerequisite for a coaching job, it’s certainly possible that he’s seen internally as a candidate for a position on staff. Braswell was the head coach of the Wellington Saints from 2016-2018. He won the championship in 16 and 17, and lost in the championship in 18. He was also coach of the year in 17 with an undefeated season. The New Zealand Breakers hired him for the 19 season on a three year deal after a US group purchased the team (including the hosts of a Barstool podcast), but he was fired after one season.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 12, 2020 17:01:23 GMT -5
I would hire him. Let's get some good recruits back on the hilltop..and KEEP them awhile!
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jul 12, 2020 17:28:25 GMT -5
I had been a JT3 supporter and thought that a lot of the criticism of the system was overstated by fans (after all, the Wiz ran it, right?). But listening to these podcasts -- I guess I could not have been more wrong.
It was interesting to hear CW, AF, JC, and HS talk about Georgetown as a school and social scene positively, but it is really sobering to hear them talk about how the system hurt them both as college players and professionally.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 12, 2020 18:07:21 GMT -5
Replay of Trawick and Adams
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