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Post by njhoyalawya on Jul 2, 2020 21:04:49 GMT -5
I found that fascinating too - the Braswell/Sweetney episode had tons of praise for Robert Kirby, there was a sort of acknowledgement that Louis Orr was Pat's guy, and then no one mentioned Waheed but the crux of the pod was outright lobbying for an alum presence on the staff, if not complete alum takeover. It's almost like Braswell came back and got his degree, with the help of the Ewings, thinking he was going to get the job. Now he's being blocked by someone higher than Ewing and this is the way to pressure them. That is why he was complimentary of two of his future coworkers but not of the guy he would likely replace. The effects of COVID-19 could hindered plans/expectations ....
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jul 3, 2020 11:37:44 GMT -5
I found that fascinating too - the Braswell/Sweetney episode had tons of praise for Robert Kirby, there was a sort of acknowledgement that Louis Orr was Pat's guy, and then no one mentioned Waheed but the crux of the pod was outright lobbying for an alum presence on the staff, if not complete alum takeover. It's almost like Braswell came back and got his degree, with the help of the Ewings, thinking he was going to get the job. Now he's being blocked by someone higher than Ewing and this is the way to pressure them . That is why he was complimentary of two of his future coworkers but not of the guy he would likely replace. Speculate much?
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Post by tashoya on Jul 3, 2020 21:13:47 GMT -5
They talked with Quinn Cook. It was really, really good. The amount of love and respect those guys have for one another was evident throughout. Apparently, Chris and his dad used to pick up Quinn to go work out every Saturday when they were kids. Great stuff. If you can, spread the word about what Chris and Austin are doing to all Hoyas so inclined to listen. Their network is tight and the content is excellent. IMO, we owe them our support. If you're a social media person, please spread the word. @dawgtalk101 on Twitter www.instagram.com/dawgtalk101/open.spotify.com/show/2n9AlnayU8F45wZLsohX0b
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 7, 2020 22:14:36 GMT -5
One of the more interesting parts to me (although I’m not sure I fully followed it) was in the last 15-20 minutes of the Braswell/Sweetney episode. KB mentioned being on a Zoom recruiting call with Turgeon and a kid in New Zealand Kevin knows (trains?). He said Turgeon, before even talking about “bouncing the ball” discussed financial benefits, like the ability to save stipend money, being introduced to financial advisors, etc. such that “the kids would have $40k put away when graduating”. I’m not assuming UMCP is the only program to have figured out ways to plays within the rules on this stuff, and I’m guessing they only lead with it to top recruits (Braswell said this kid was a one and done) but thought it was interesting. I had forgotten about this, but I think the Big East was the first conference to approve stipends to basketball players back in like 2015ish. It was only like $2-4K per year, but I believe it might have been tied to a % of tuition so it might have increased since then. Afterwards, the power 5 conferences passed a similar stipend, and in particular the Big Ten provides more for players who live off campus as opposed to on campus. Here are the Maryland figures for 2015: “Students who live on campus will be granted a $2,820 stipend while off-campus students will receive a $4,196 stipend.” Even if that amount has increased to $5k per year, it would require a pretty aggressive investment strategy to get to $40k at graduation, though it’s certainly possible that the UMD recruiters were exaggerating/rounding up a little bit. Anyways, back to your point, Georgetown is already giving this stipend, but I’m not sure if they’re providing the players with financial advisors like UMD is to encourage saving/investing, and I’m not sure that the Big East has the different stipend levels for on campus/off campus. From 2015: “Lee Reed declined to disclose exactly how much Georgetown’s stipends will be, but the school’s financial aid office estimates the amount at about $2,600.” An additional interesting point that was made during that segment was that UMD puts the players off campus and makes the leases in the players’ names while paying the rent in order to help the players have better credit when they graduate.
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 8, 2020 5:06:33 GMT -5
One of the more interesting parts to me (although I’m not sure I fully followed it) was in the last 15-20 minutes of the Braswell/Sweetney episode. KB mentioned being on a Zoom recruiting call with Turgeon and a kid in New Zealand Kevin knows (trains?). He said Turgeon, before even talking about “bouncing the ball” discussed financial benefits, like the ability to save stipend money, being introduced to financial advisors, etc. such that “the kids would have $40k put away when graduating”. I’m not assuming UMCP is the only program to have figured out ways to plays within the rules on this stuff, and I’m guessing they only lead with it to top recruits (Braswell said this kid was a one and done) but thought it was interesting. I had forgotten about this, but I think the Big East was the first conference to approve stipends to basketball players back in like 2015ish. It was only like $2-4K per year, but I believe it might have been tied to a % of tuition so it might have increased since then. Afterwards, the power 5 conferences passed a similar stipend, and in particular the Big Ten provides more for players who live off campus as opposed to on campus. Here are the Maryland figures for 2015: “Students who live on campus will be granted a $2,820 stipend while off-campus students will receive a $4,196 stipend.” Even if that amount has increased to $5k per year, it would require a pretty aggressive investment strategy to get to $40k at graduation, though it’s certainly possible that the UMD recruiters were exaggerating/rounding up a little bit. Anyways, back to your point, Georgetown is already giving this stipend, but I’m not sure if they’re providing the players with financial advisors like UMD is to encourage saving/investing, and I’m not sure that the Big East has the different stipend levels for on campus/off campus. From 2015: “Lee Reed declined to disclose exactly how much Georgetown’s stipends will be, but the school’s financial aid office estimates the amount at about $2,600.” An additional interesting point that was made during that segment was that UMD puts the players off campus and makes the leases in the players’ names while paying the rent in order to help the players have better credit when they graduate. From my recollection, part of the strategy was pocketing a meal per diem as well. Upon reflection, I am not sure how many young adults wouldn’t blow through that money vs. graduating with $40k...but it makes a heck of a selling point.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 8, 2020 10:00:34 GMT -5
I recently finished the Greg Monroe episode. Again, I am thankful that Chris and Austin are doing these interviews, it's great to hear insights from our former players. I did think Monroe was a little more guarded than Ewing Jr. or Green, and you could tell he wanted to avoid more controversial areas. That said, I thought his comments on McClung were clearly coming from a genuine place, and appreciated it. You can also tell that Monroe is a really smart guy with great basketball IQ (which we knew already).
That said, I am going to call out Chris and Austin a little bit on their interviewing. I realize Monroe's freshman season team was largely a mess, and the sophomore team ended in the Ohio debacle, but how can you do a Georgetown podcast covering Monroe's career and NOT even touch on details of those seasons, especially the the Ohio game? I realize the Ohio game is likely a sore spot for all involved (Wright, Freeman, and Monroe especially), and maybe they do not feel comfortable talking about it, but given Julian Vaughn's comments on it, I think it at least merited a little attention, even if the plan was to largely dodge the question. By not covering it at all, it's obvious they were purposely ignoring it.
That said, I very much appreciate what they are doing. But, in the future, I'd like them to cover key topics, even if the guests largely provide non-answers.
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Post by the_way on Jul 8, 2020 13:38:35 GMT -5
I recently finished the Greg Monroe episode. Again, I am thankful that Chris and Austin are doing these interviews, it's great to hear insights from our former players. I did think Monroe was a little more guarded than Ewing Jr. or Green, and you could tell he wanted to avoid more controversial areas. That said, I thought his comments on McClung were clearly coming from a genuine place, and appreciated it. You can also tell that Monroe is a really smart guy with great basketball IQ (which we knew already). That said, I am going to call out Chris and Austin a little bit on their interviewing. I realize Monroe's freshman season team was largely a mess, and the sophomore team ended in the Ohio debacle, but how can you do a Georgetown podcast covering Monroe's career and NOT even touch on details of those seasons, especially the the Ohio game? I realize the Ohio game is likely a sore spot for all involved (Wright, Freeman, and Monroe especially), and maybe they do not feel comfortable talking about it, but given Julian Vaughn's comments on it, I think it at least merited a little attention, even if the plan was to largely dodge the question. By not covering it at all, it's obvious they were purposely ignoring it. That said, I very much appreciate what they are doing. But, in the future, I'd like them to cover key topics, even if the guests largely provide non-answers. If you say Monroe was guarded during the interview, maybe they talked beforehand of what subjects to cover? Those 2 years at G-town for Monroe were marked as a disappointment given the hype of Monroe being a top player and Wright/Freeman also being all-americans. Everyone is different. Not everyone is an open book. Plus, If Vaughn already spoke on the Ohio situation, no use beating a dead horse. Want to keep things fresh for the podcast.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 8, 2020 14:31:33 GMT -5
If you say Monroe was guarded during the interview, maybe they talked beforehand of what subjects to cover? Those 2 years at G-town for Monroe were marked as a disappointment given the hype of Monroe being a top player and Wright/Freeman also being all-americans. Everyone is different. Not everyone is an open book. Plus, If Vaughn already spoke on the Ohio situation, no use beating a dead horse. Want to keep things fresh for the podcast. Yes, and I am fine with that. I'm sure they do not want to make Monroe uncomfortable, and no doubt they have privately discussed it before. That said, they did literally say almost nothing about either year (contrary to Ewing Jr. who gave a lot of detail about his years), except asking Monroe how he felt coming onto the Hilltop, how he felt coming into both seasons, how it was learning the Princeton system (Monroe said it was easy), a little reminiscing about a few specific games, and his NBA departure. Again, I realize he's not going to trash guys or anything like that, and I totally get that. But, it would've been nice to have at least covered it. That said, Wright and Freeman are obviously new to this, so I get that, and I am sure with time their presentation and interviewing style will be further refined.
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Post by the_way on Jul 8, 2020 14:52:51 GMT -5
If you say Monroe was guarded during the interview, maybe they talked beforehand of what subjects to cover? Those 2 years at G-town for Monroe were marked as a disappointment given the hype of Monroe being a top player and Wright/Freeman also being all-americans. Everyone is different. Not everyone is an open book. Plus, If Vaughn already spoke on the Ohio situation, no use beating a dead horse. Want to keep things fresh for the podcast. Yes, and I am fine with that. I'm sure they do not want to make Monroe uncomfortable, and no doubt they have privately discussed it before. That said, they did literally say almost nothing about either year (contrary to Ewing Jr. who gave a lot of detail about his years), except asking Monroe how he felt coming onto the Hilltop, how he felt coming into both seasons, how it was learning the Princeton system (Monroe said it was easy), a little reminiscing about a few specific games, and his NBA departure. Again, I realize he's not going to trash guys or anything like that, and I totally get that. But, it would've been nice to have at least covered it. That said, Wright and Freeman are obviously new to this, so I get that, and I am sure with time their presentation and interviewing style will be further refined. Being respectful doesn't necessarily mean they are new to it. Let's be honest: Ewing, Jr went to a Final Four and was a Big East Regular season champion the following year. His "upset" loss was against the likes of some guy named Stephen Curry. The year he sat-out as a transfer, the team went to the Sweet Sixteen. His experience playing for 2 years was much different from Monroe's. A lot of room for discussion. Monroe's teams never won a NCAA tournament game. Never won a NIT game. His upset loss was against the likes of Ohio. What more could they really cover that had not been covered already? Not much. Plus, Monroe's personality is different from Ewing, Jr.'s.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jul 8, 2020 15:01:40 GMT -5
Austin and Chris had already shared their thoughts on Ohio during other segments. These interviews are not journalistic, but conversations between friends. That is one reason that I like them. Not sure the love would come out otherwise.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2020 17:16:16 GMT -5
Austin and Chris had already shared their thoughts on Ohio during other segments. These interviews are not journalistic, but conversations between friends. That is one reason that I like them. Not sure the love would come out otherwise. What did they say about it? Sorry, but haven't had time to listen...
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Post by jwp91 on Jul 8, 2020 17:59:18 GMT -5
Austin and Chris had already shared their thoughts on Ohio during other segments. These interviews are not journalistic, but conversations between friends. That is one reason that I like them. Not sure the love would come out otherwise. What did they say about it? Sorry, but haven't had time to listen... And I don’t remember what they said about Ohio.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jul 8, 2020 20:15:16 GMT -5
What did they say about it? Sorry, but haven't had time to listen... And I don’t remember what they said about Ohio. They just said that they were beat badly and were never in the game. They admitted it was a bad loss, but it didn't sting like the Davidson loss since that was a game they let slip away. They both believe that in general the Princeton offense, at least their style which was designed to minimize possessions, did not give them the flexibility they needed to change their games.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 8, 2020 22:24:05 GMT -5
Austin and Chris had already shared their thoughts on Ohio during other segments. These interviews are not journalistic, but conversations between friends. That is one reason that I like them. Not sure the love would come out otherwise. What did they say about it? Sorry, but haven't had time to listen... I summarized it a couple weeks ago: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/884895/thread
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Post by prhoya on Jul 8, 2020 23:39:40 GMT -5
I wished it was another podcast or something where they addressed that game and Vaughn's comments. Keep the fans wanting more...
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Post by kghoya on Jul 9, 2020 0:20:54 GMT -5
And I don’t remember what they said about Ohio. They just said that they were beat badly and were never in the game. They admitted it was a bad loss, but it didn't sting like the Davidson loss since that was a game they let slip away. They both believe that in general the Princeton offense, at least their style which was designed to minimize possessions, did not give them the flexibility they needed to change their games. I might buy this theory more had the Ohio score been something different than 97-83. 83 should have been plenty to beat Ohio. You can't beat anyone in college giving up 97. Princeton O seems like a scapegoat on an all time defensive clunker in the brightest of lights. That 2010 team was really good. Look no further than beating both schools that played for the title. They also had some weak spots on defense at times and they were dealing with one of the best players going through a serious health problem at the end of the season.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jul 9, 2020 4:11:01 GMT -5
Dang Talk was incredible tonight saw the KD segment!!! Keep working. arr yiu able to get insights on the upcoming Freshmen and whats happening developmentally for players like Malcolm, Igoeffe, and Qudus....and Jamorko. Do you have access to know what's happening? How do you know Coach Crouch and how is he helping players and team? A big thank you Chris and Austin for stepping up the way that you have for the HOYAS.
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