hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 28, 2022 19:19:47 GMT -5
Hey guys I like Holloway but we need open scholarships. Remember 0-19 BE regular season. Best of luck to the young man.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 28, 2022 19:24:33 GMT -5
The most improved player on last year's team. Hope he chooses to come back.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 28, 2022 19:30:12 GMT -5
Hey guys I like Holloway but we need open scholarships. Remember 0-19 BE regular season. Best of luck to the young man. I don't believe Ewing ran Collin off but if he did it a very good sign. I don't believe Ewing would suggest a Collin transfer unless some of our bigger fish are hooked....
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Apr 28, 2022 19:39:45 GMT -5
Hey guys I like Holloway but we need open scholarships. Remember 0-19 BE regular season. Best of luck to the young man. I don't believe Ewing ran Collin off but if he did it a very good sign. I don't believe Ewing would suggest a Collin transfer unless some of our bigger fish are hooked.... I totally agree. Bigger fish and maybe a shark.
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Post by TC on Apr 28, 2022 19:44:24 GMT -5
Hey guys I like Holloway but we need open scholarships. Remember 0-19 BE regular season. Best of luck to the young man. Unless every player you sign is better than Holloway, which will not happen, this is a loss.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Apr 28, 2022 20:02:59 GMT -5
Hey guys I like Holloway but we need open scholarships. Remember 0-19 BE regular season. Best of luck to the young man. Unless every player you sign is better than Holloway, which will not happen, this is a loss. Fellas, you have to stop thinking and coaching with your heart and instead coach and thinking with your brain. Some of you guys get your heart and feelings wrapped up in these dudes and become blind. Some of you want Collin to start at the PF. Seriously. First of all, he's super slow. His lateral quickness and movement is 3 out of 10 at best. He has not lift. Not even sure if he can grab the rim. He can't rebound. Offensively, once the Big East opposition had time to scout him, his production dropped and became inconsistent. He could only go left and knock down the occasional 3. He had no mid-range game at all. He was added to the team out of high school at the end of the recruiting period with very few offers (McNeese State and Texas State) and none from Power 5. Why? Because no other coach saw him as a Power 5 or even a Big East baller. That should tell you a lot. Yes he improved. But he was still not a Big East ball baller. The fact that he did improve just shows that Pat squeezed a lot of juice from that turnip. If you want to speak as if you are coach, start thinking like a coach. With your brain... Not your hearts...
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 28, 2022 20:04:15 GMT -5
Sorry to hear this.
Unfortunately I think this will be the reality in college ball so long as there are free transfers every year. If there is always free agency, what’s the harm putting your name out there?
And it’s not like Ewing is promising Holloway starter minutes next season—the staff is actively looking for PFs in the portal (as they should).
Until/unless this free for all changes, “putting your name in the portal” will be the rule, not the exception.
Hope Collin decides to come back. Also hope we get a solid PF in the portal. Can’t blame Collin for deciding he wants to go through the process to find out whether any decent programs would offer him more.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 28, 2022 20:13:53 GMT -5
Unless every player you sign is better than Holloway, which will not happen, this is a loss. Fellas, you have to stop thinking and coaching with your heart and instead coach and thinking with your brain. Some of you guys get your heart and feelings wrapped up in these dudes and become blind. Some of you want Collin to start at the PF. Seriously. First of all, he's super slow. His lateral quickness and movement is 3 out of 10 at best. He has not lift. Not even sure if he can grab the rim. He can't rebound. Offensively, once the Big East opposition had time to scout him, his production dropped and became inconsistent. He could only go left and knock down the occasional 3. He had no mid-range game at all. He was added to the team out of high school at the end of the recruiting period with very few offers (McNeese State and Texas State) and none from Power 5. Why? Because no other coach saw him as a Power 5 or even a Big East baller. That should tell you a lot. Yes he improved. But he was still not a Big East ball baller. The fact that he did improve just shows that Pat squeezed a lot of juice from that turnip. If you want to speak as if you are coach, start thinking like a coach. With your brain... Not your hearts... Good news, the guy who decided to give this apparently completely unqualified player a scholarship is going to decide on his replacement. Should probably work out great.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 28, 2022 20:14:14 GMT -5
Unless every player you sign is better than Holloway, which will not happen, this is a loss. Fellas, you have to stop thinking and coaching with your heart and instead coach and thinking with your brain. Some of you guys get your heart and feelings wrapped up in these dudes and become blind. Some of you want Collin to start at the PF. Seriously. First of all, he's super slow. His lateral quickness and movement is 3 out of 10 at best. He has not lift. Not even sure if he can grab the rim. He can't rebound. Offensively, once the Big East opposition had time to scout him, his production dropped and became inconsistent. He could only go left and knock down the occasional 3. He had no mid-range game at all. He was added to the team out of high school at the end of the recruiting period with very few offers (McNeese State and Texas State) and none from Power 5. Why? Because no other coach saw him as a Power 5 or even a Big East baller. That should tell you a lot. Yes he improved. But he was still not a Big East ball baller. The fact that he did improve just shows that Pat squeezed a lot of juice from that turnip. If you want to speak as if you are coach, start thinking like a coach. With your brain... Not your hearts... I think with my eyes based on watching virtually every minute of every game, your condescension notwithstanding. Collin is no all-star but is a useful player on a team with our talent level. His improvement last year was noticeable and speaks well of a player willing to work on his game. If you choose to make judgments based on assessments of players 2-3 years ago, overly negative assessments of last year, and an inability to understand roles, go for it. I'll take him anyway for this year and next without looking for 15 and 10.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Apr 28, 2022 20:31:49 GMT -5
Fellas, you have to stop thinking and coaching with your heart and instead coach and thinking with your brain. Some of you guys get your heart and feelings wrapped up in these dudes and become blind. Some of you want Collin to start at the PF. Seriously. First of all, he's super slow. His lateral quickness and movement is 3 out of 10 at best. He has not lift. Not even sure if he can grab the rim. He can't rebound. Offensively, once the Big East opposition had time to scout him, his production dropped and became inconsistent. He could only go left and knock down the occasional 3. He had no mid-range game at all. He was added to the team out of high school at the end of the recruiting period with very few offers (McNeese State and Texas State) and none from Power 5. Why? Because no other coach saw him as a Power 5 or even a Big East baller. That should tell you a lot. Yes he improved. But he was still not a Big East ball baller. The fact that he did improve just shows that Pat squeezed a lot of juice from that turnip. If you want to speak as if you are coach, start thinking like a coach. With your brain... Not your hearts... I think with my eyes based on watching virtually every minute of every game, your condescension notwithstanding. Collin is no all-star but is a useful player on a team with our talent level. His improvement last year was noticeable and speaks well of a player willing to work on his game. If you choose to make judgments based on assessments of players 2-3 years ago, overly negative assessments of last year, and an inability to understand roles, go for it. I'll take him anyway for this year and next without looking for 15 and 10. Let's be clear. Not being judgmental or criticizing at all, just speaking truth. However, you are further proven my point. On one hand, folks complain about the current level of talent and how bad it is. Now when the current talent leaves and the coaching staff works to upgrade the talent, there are still complaints and/or you want to keep the same talent (see your comment above). Even with his improvement, he is still not a Big East baller. You can't have it both ways. Get your heart out of it fella. Be the coach you want to be and think with you brain. The team was 0-20 in the Big East. The roster needs to be reshaped.
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 28, 2022 20:44:08 GMT -5
I think with my eyes based on watching virtually every minute of every game, your condescension notwithstanding. Collin is no all-star but is a useful player on a team with our talent level. His improvement last year was noticeable and speaks well of a player willing to work on his game. If you choose to make judgments based on assessments of players 2-3 years ago, overly negative assessments of last year, and an inability to understand roles, go for it. I'll take him anyway for this year and next without looking for 15 and 10. Let's be clear. Not being judgmental or criticizing at all, just speaking truth. However, you are further proven my point. On one hand, folks complain about the current level of talent and how bad it is. Now when the current talent leaves and the coaching staff works to upgrade the talent, there are still complaints and/or you want to keep the same talent (see your comment above). Even with his improvement, he is still not a Big East baller. You can't have it both ways. Get your heart out of it fella. Be the coach you want to be and think with you brain. The team was 0-20 in the Big East. The roster needs to be reshaped. Fair point, the roster needs to be reshaped. Absolutely. But the door has been wide open for transfers at nearly every position and we haven’t been reeling them in. Ultimately losing Colin is only works out if the player who replaces him is better and we were already thin at the 4 where we were playing him. The transfer market may be full of talent but that doesn’t mean we’re getting our first, second, or even third choice at each spot. So far we’ve whiffed on all our PG targets and may be looking to bring in a guy who’s game mirrors the struggling starter we already want to replace. We’ve whiffed on a number of PF/C targets as well. Maybe our new assistant coaches can close the deal better than their predecessors, but rn we are not the most attractive program. Experience is invaluable.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Apr 28, 2022 20:44:23 GMT -5
I think with my eyes based on watching virtually every minute of every game, your condescension notwithstanding. Collin is no all-star but is a useful player on a team with our talent level. His improvement last year was noticeable and speaks well of a player willing to work on his game. If you choose to make judgments based on assessments of players 2-3 years ago, overly negative assessments of last year, and an inability to understand roles, go for it. I'll take him anyway for this year and next without looking for 15 and 10. Let's be clear. Not being judgmental or criticizing at all, just speaking truth. However, you are further proven my point. On one hand, folks complain about the current level of talent and how bad it is. Now when the current talent leaves and the coaching staff works to upgrade the talent, there are still complaints and/or you want to keep the same talent (see your comment above). Even with his improvement, he is still not a Big East baller. You can't have it both ways. Get your heart out of it fella. Be the coach you want to be and think with you brain. The team was 0-20 in the Big East. The roster needs to be reshaped. And btw, who the hell wants "useful" ballplayers on their team. That's and attitude of mediocrity... All day... Everyday... That's how you get to be 0-20 in the Big East. I want as many excellent ballers as possible. Not as many "useful" ballers as I can get.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Apr 28, 2022 20:50:47 GMT -5
Let's be clear. Not being judgmental or criticizing at all, just speaking truth. However, you are further proven my point. On one hand, folks complain about the current level of talent and how bad it is. Now when the current talent leaves and the coaching staff works to upgrade the talent, there are still complaints and/or you want to keep the same talent (see your comment above). Even with his improvement, he is still not a Big East baller. You can't have it both ways. Get your heart out of it fella. Be the coach you want to be and think with you brain. The team was 0-20 in the Big East. The roster needs to be reshaped. Fair point, the roster needs to be reshaped. Absolutely. But the door has been wide open for transfers at nearly every position and we haven’t been reeling them in. Ultimately losing Colin is only works out if the player who replaces him is better and we were already thin at the 4 where we were playing him. The transfer market may be full of talent but that doesn’t mean we’re getting our first, second, or even third choice at each spot. So far we’ve whiffed on all our PG targets and may be looking to bring in a guy who’s game mirrors the struggling starter we already want to replace. We’ve whiffed on a number of PF/C targets as well. Maybe our new assistant coaches can close the deal better than their predecessors, but rn we are not the most attractive program. Experience is invaluable. So just because we whiff, we settle for another 0-20 talent level team. I would rather try something different/new rather go through it again with the same collection of talent. And the new talent that is committed to join this team thus far next year is an upgrade and I am of the belief that the upgrading will continue with any addition that is added in the near future. Again, we were 0-20. It won't be hard.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 28, 2022 21:29:07 GMT -5
[So just because we whiff, we settle for another 0-20 talent level team. I would rather try something different/new rather go through it again with the same collection of talent. And the new talent that is committed to join this team thus far next year is an upgrade and I am of the belief that the upgrading will continue with any addition that is added in the near future. Again, we were 0-20. It won't be hard. This was not an 0-20 talent team. It began the season with the Big East pre-season freshman of the year, and the supposed #16 recruiting class in the nation, and was one vote short of ninth in the pre-season poll. This team did not respond to the coaching and could not close games.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Apr 28, 2022 21:46:24 GMT -5
[So just because we whiff, we settle for another 0-20 talent level team. I would rather try something different/new rather go through it again with the same collection of talent. And the new talent that is committed to join this team thus far next year is an upgrade and I am of the belief that the upgrading will continue with any addition that is added in the near future. Again, we were 0-20. It won't be hard. This was not an 0-20 talent team. It began the season with the Big East pre-season freshman of the year, and the supposed #16 recruiting class in the nation, and was one vote short of ninth in the pre-season poll. This team did not respond to the coaching and could not close games. Sir, 0-20 talent typically does not respond to coaching have trouble closing out games.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 28, 2022 21:48:00 GMT -5
I think with my eyes based on watching virtually every minute of every game, your condescension notwithstanding. Collin is no all-star but is a useful player on a team with our talent level. His improvement last year was noticeable and speaks well of a player willing to work on his game. If you choose to make judgments based on assessments of players 2-3 years ago, overly negative assessments of last year, and an inability to understand roles, go for it. I'll take him anyway for this year and next without looking for 15 and 10. Let's be clear. Not being judgmental or criticizing at all, just speaking truth. However, you are further proven my point. On one hand, folks complain about the current level of talent and how bad it is. Now when the current talent leaves and the coaching staff works to upgrade the talent, there are still complaints and/or you want to keep the same talent (see your comment above). Even with his improvement, he is still not a Big East baller. You can't have it both ways. Get your heart out of it fella. Be the coach you want to be and think with you brain. The team was 0-20 in the Big East. The roster needs to be reshaped. These are the types of pointless generalizations that can make life difficult on this board. You prefer to lump me in with your overall picture of the board as a whole, which is questionable to begin with, and I’m betting you have no clue about what I’ve said about Collin. Of course, no one could possibly think it might be a good thing for some to leave and others to stay, or that some may have a role going forward. With that kind of “reasoning,” why would I bother taking it any further? Let’s just say I think Collin has a place on this team
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Post by wponds on Apr 28, 2022 21:59:45 GMT -5
Sorry to hear this. Unfortunately I think this will be the reality in college ball so long as there are free transfers every year. If there is always free agency, what’s the harm putting your name out there? And it’s not like Ewing is promising Holloway starter minutes next season—the staff is actively looking for PFs in the portal (as they should). Until/unless this free for all changes, “putting your name in the portal” will be the rule, not the exception. Hope Collin decides to come back. Also hope we get a solid PF in the portal. Can’t blame Collin for deciding he wants to go through the process to find out whether any decent programs would offer him more. 10000% agree with this. I think it'll become the same thing as entering the draft w/o signing an agent. What's the harm if you are confident that you'd be able to get your scholarship back if it came to that? Might as well test your value and see what other schools have to offer. If he is definitely gone, I wish him the best. Seems like a good guy and played hard amid a really tough year.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 28, 2022 23:38:48 GMT -5
Goodness gracious, this stings. I love watching Collin wheeling and dealing down low. Young man really knows how to make space and convert. Sweet stroke from outside, too. I was very very much looking forward to watching him another year stronger, as an upperclassman. Grrr
Collin should be very proud of his time at Georgetown. Like all of the 0-19'ers, Collin carried this year like a gotdamn man, and I love him for that.
All the best, Collin!
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 29, 2022 6:13:07 GMT -5
This was not an 0-20 talent team. It began the season with the Big East pre-season freshman of the year, and the supposed #16 recruiting class in the nation, and was one vote short of ninth in the pre-season poll. This team did not respond to the coaching and could not close games. Sir, 0-20 talent typically does not respond to coaching have trouble closing out games. You put all the blame for last season on the players and absolve Patrick of any role in the debacle. Then it becomes easy to trash any player who chooses to leave. This is not logical or true. Colin has his limitations but he’s become a good player and is a loss for the program.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 29, 2022 7:22:14 GMT -5
Maybe Collin looked around, saw that the same old circus had a few new acts and chose to leave on his own….
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