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Post by daveg023 on May 12, 2021 11:14:27 GMT -5
Love how ESPN’s headline is “...chooses UW over Duke, UVA”. Even the headline has to be a slight.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 12, 2021 11:17:09 GMT -5
Aminu isn't listed because he chose GTown. Matthew Cleveland (#23), Trevor Keels (#20), Max Christie(#22), TyTy Washington (#32) were all listed as 1st rndrs in the first mock that I opened. Aminu is similar sized and ranked ahead of these players but he isn't listed 1st or 2nd round. If you sub any one of these players with Aminu you would see the subbed player disappear from the mock and Aminu would appear...imo So your view is that all the mock draft experts are specifically biased aginst Georgetown? Got it... No they are biased towards Power 5 teams..Duke, MichSt, Zona, Kentucky...etc ...I believe if Aminu had choose Georgia he would be mocked... they're a few outliers like Gonzaga but even Nova has a hard time and they are constantly ranked.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on May 12, 2021 11:47:19 GMT -5
Getting players who are good enough to make a big impact but not so recognized that they are one and done is the coin of the realm now. Our friend at Villanova has come close to perfecting it.
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Post by TC on May 12, 2021 12:02:17 GMT -5
No other hats on the table, ugly eBay hat crisis averted :
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Post by TC on May 12, 2021 12:05:36 GMT -5
No they are biased towards Power 5 teams..Duke, MichSt, Zona, Kentucky...etc ...I believe if Aminu had choose Georgia he would be mocked... they're a few outliers like Gonzaga but even Nova has a hard time and they are constantly ranked. Is Baldwin listed in the mocks? Because he's not going to a power 5 team.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 12:05:46 GMT -5
No other hats on the table, ugly eBay hat crisis averted : He looks just like his mama!
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Post by TC on May 12, 2021 12:09:49 GMT -5
"ESPN would not let him do it" is the wrong way to look at this when we're talking about a top 5 player. One of those three programs is historically incompetent at PR, one of those three programs is really good at PR, and then I'm not sure why anyone would go on SportsCenter to announce they are playing for their Dad, but I guess it could happen. TC IJS that if ESPN got the date and wanted to run it. I think they check with Coach K first. If K indicates he isn't totally confident, i think that ESPN just wouldn't do it. Why would they create an event for the premier program to take an L? I'm also quite sure the head coaches know before we know so K may already knows for sure. If K wasn't feeling great about it, ESPN would not do it. So much for ESPN running all of their programming past Coach K first before green lighting it! I think the way to look at this going forward is that other programs play the PR game, and we don't for whatever reason. If something is going to be nationally televised, it's not going to go our way.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 12, 2021 13:23:04 GMT -5
No they are biased towards Power 5 teams..Duke, MichSt, Zona, Kentucky...etc ...I believe if Aminu had choose Georgia he would be mocked... they're a few outliers like Gonzaga but even Nova has a hard time and they are constantly ranked. Is Baldwin listed in the mocks? Because he's not going to a power 5 team. Come on TC. You can't deny a Top5 player. It's not apples to apples. I literally gave a list of 4 players of similar size that are ranked "below" Aminu that are mocked and your rebuttal is the "well the #3 player in the country is mocked and he didn't go Power 5". Completely ignoring that before Sunday everyone had him going to Duke and he's the #3 player in the country....
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Post by blueandgray on May 12, 2021 13:46:58 GMT -5
Not sire about you all....but I have a bit off PBJ fatigue. Just feels like he was going to end up wherever his Dad ended up....even if it meant that his Dad could only get a 1 year extension. Its all good.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 12, 2021 13:47:48 GMT -5
So your view is that all the mock draft experts are specifically biased aginst Georgetown? Got it... No they are biased towards Power 5 teams..Duke, MichSt, Zona, Kentucky...etc ...I believe if Aminu had choose Georgia he would be mocked... they're a few outliers like Gonzaga but even Nova has a hard time and they are constantly ranked. That is patently false but go ahead and think it if it makes you feel better. Aminu has holes in his game (specifically guard skills) and doesn't have freakish size at his position. That's what makes him a lesser NBA prospect than many others, not the fact that he's going to Georgetown.
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Post by TC on May 12, 2021 15:02:29 GMT -5
Is Baldwin listed in the mocks? Because he's not going to a power 5 team. Come on TC. You can't deny a Top5 player. It's not apples to apples. I literally gave a list of 4 players of similar size that are ranked "below" Aminu that are mocked and your rebuttal is the "well the #3 player in the country is mocked and he didn't go Power 5". Completely ignoring that before Sunday everyone had him going to Duke and he's the #3 player in the country.... Ok, so just so I have this right, Patrick Baldwin is a top 5 player, and not going to a power 5 school, and he won't be knocked down in the recruiting rankings for going to UWM, but Aminu Mohammed gets knocked down in both the recruiting rankings and in the mock drafts because he has committed to Georgetown? I don't think Aminu will stay more than one year, but I also don't think he's being de-ranked in mocks because of what school he committed to.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 12, 2021 15:02:44 GMT -5
No they are biased towards Power 5 teams..Duke, MichSt, Zona, Kentucky...etc ...I believe if Aminu had choose Georgia he would be mocked... they're a few outliers like Gonzaga but even Nova has a hard time and they are constantly ranked. That is patently false but go ahead and think it if it makes you feel better. Aminu has holes in his game (specifically guard skills) and doesn't have freakish size at his position. That's what makes him a lesser NBA prospect than many others, not the fact that he's going to Georgetown. No holes in Trevor Keels' game huh? A undersized 3 that plays bully ball against less developed HSers. I don't know why you are so upset that I have a differing opinion than you. It's all good. No need to get worked up...
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Post by Problem of Dog on May 12, 2021 16:24:55 GMT -5
That is patently false but go ahead and think it if it makes you feel better. Aminu has holes in his game (specifically guard skills) and doesn't have freakish size at his position. That's what makes him a lesser NBA prospect than many others, not the fact that he's going to Georgetown. No holes in Trevor Keels' game huh? A undersized 3 that plays bully ball against less developed HSers. I don't know why you are so upset that I have a differing opinion than you. It's all good. No need to get worked up... If the mocks just went off of rankings, then there'd be no use for the mocks. The order of players would be the exact same. It's not likely that Aminu is a one and done, just because it's not likely for most non-top 5 kids (bad early entry decisions excluded). I don't have a strong opinion one way or another based on his game. I just think that some of the kids ranked behind him that are in the 2022 mock draft are there because they've shown skills that the ESPN guys like Givony think translate. They've also shown out at the Team USA stuff.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 14, 2021 4:29:42 GMT -5
Come on TC. You can't deny a Top5 player. It's not apples to apples. I literally gave a list of 4 players of similar size that are ranked "below" Aminu that are mocked and your rebuttal is the "well the #3 player in the country is mocked and he didn't go Power 5". Completely ignoring that before Sunday everyone had him going to Duke and he's the #3 player in the country.... Ok, so just so I have this right, Patrick Baldwin is a top 5 player, and not going to a power 5 school, and he won't be knocked down in the recruiting rankings for going to UWM, but Aminu Mohammed gets knocked down in both the recruiting rankings and in the mock drafts because he has committed to Georgetown? I don't think Aminu will stay more than one year, but I also don't think he's being de-ranked in mocks because of what school he committed to. When did I say this? I'm actually saying the exact opposite. Aminu's ranking is constant but people ranked below him are being mocked even though they have similar builds and games. We don't have to agree but I believe the people that do rankings put in more effort and most mockers look at which school a kid is going to and assume he must be worthy of mocking.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 14, 2021 4:30:43 GMT -5
No holes in Trevor Keels' game huh? A undersized 3 that plays bully ball against less developed HSers. I don't know why you are so upset that I have a differing opinion than you. It's all good. No need to get worked up... If the mocks just went off of rankings, then there'd be no use for the mocks. The order of players would be the exact same. It's not likely that Aminu is a one and done, just because it's not likely for most non-top 5 kids (bad early entry decisions excluded). I don't have a strong opinion one way or another based on his game. I just think that some of the kids ranked behind him that are in the 2022 mock draft are there because they've shown skills that the ESPN guys like Givony think translate. They've also shown out at the Team USA stuff. I believe the mocks are useless anyway. You can't know that a Otto Porter or Obi Toppin are gonna blow up and deserve a Top 3 draft position. So I don't pay much attention to them at all. I'm just using the mocks to make my point that I believe most mockers do very little research and don't know anything more than you or I. Aminu may stay anywhere from 1 to 4yrs but I think with the way the roster is built he will be draftable after yr1.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 14, 2021 16:07:05 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Mar 2, 2022 14:37:34 GMT -5
Looks like dad was just dismissed.
If Patrick wanted to have a terrible season and ruin his draft stock he could have came here to do that. SMH
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Post by blazers44 on Mar 2, 2022 16:13:43 GMT -5
Looks like dad was just dismissed. If Patrick wanted to have a terrible season and ruin his draft stock he could have came here to do that. SMH i always thought he was a Duke kinda player. I believe he goes pro but if he decides to transfer I could see Duke being in the lead on this one.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 2, 2022 16:23:24 GMT -5
Looks like dad was just dismissed. If Patrick wanted to have a terrible season and ruin his draft stock he could have came here to do that. SMH i always thought he was a Duke kinda player. I believe he goes pro but if he decides to transfer I could see Duke being in the lead on this one. I'm not sure how his season went but he is still being mocked early in the draft. Most have him as a lottery pick. So unless he just loves college there is no way he transfers...it has to suck for the kid because he is most definitely a Duke kid and he missed out on the K tour because of loyalty.
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Mar 2, 2022 16:49:14 GMT -5
Looks like dad was just dismissed. If Patrick wanted to have a terrible season and ruin his draft stock he could have came here to do that. SMH i always thought he was a Duke kinda player. I believe he goes pro but if he decides to transfer I could see Duke being in the lead on this one. Would be a little crowded on the wing next year between Whitehead, Mitchell, and whatever Keels decides to do. Makes the most sense for him to go pro. I doubt very seriously he's a lottery pick anymore without wowing teams in a workout setting + impressive combine results.
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