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Post by hoya9797 on May 25, 2020 9:50:58 GMT -5
This is the cost of incompetent and corrupt leadership.
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Post by EasyEd on May 25, 2020 15:37:19 GMT -5
Honest question, attempting to understand terms: what is the significance of the IFR, Infection Fatality Rate?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 1:52:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 14:16:08 GMT -5
He's done a great job.
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Post by flyoverhoya on May 27, 2020 9:53:19 GMT -5
Thank you for the correction. Especially in light of these precedents, Ed’s quoting of the Constitution is simply off base. Many lawyers on HoyaTalk and Ed is not one of them so one can cut him some slack on legal issues, I guess. Congress then attempted to restore the strict scrutiny standard by passing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which the Court subsequently found unconstitutional on separation of powers grounds. Arguably, all because the religious practice in question in Smith was peyote use. Scalia probably doesn't write the same opinion if the practice in question was a little more mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 11:30:56 GMT -5
Trump botched Oval address announcing Europe travel restrictions, leading many US citizens to believe they were about to be locked out of country. Air travel surged – from 30K on 3/11 to 45K on 3/12. Many carried infection, reentered country w/ no medical checks. As Trump spoke from Oval, panic swept thru United Flight 989 departing Dulles. Passengers demanded to get off, fearing they would be barred from return to US. Nearly every American on the Frankfurt flight deplaned. One flight attendant got off plane for first time in 21 yrs. Trump blamed Kushner for Oval debacle. Kushner helped draft speech and wouldn’t share copy with DHS, HHS, CDC or any other agency that had to execute order. Administration spent hours issuing tweets and statements to fix Trump errors. Dep NSA Matt Pottinger & others pushed in Feb. to close off travel from Europe, saying once virus got there it would go “whoosh.” But he was blocked by Mnuchin and others. Infected travelers flowed in for weeks. Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker lashed out at Trump on Twitter as O’Hare lines exploded. Feds need to get “s@#t together”. WH official called minutes later. He offered no help with crisis -- just berated the gov for insulting president. Jack Siebert, NYU student studying in Madrid, caught covid in Spain with temps of 104 degrees. After Trump oval speech, hi parent raced to get him flight home. He spent 5 hrs in crowded lines at O’Hare. CDC screeners just took his temp and waived him thru. Trump keeps claiming he alone blocked travel from China. In reality, US airlines cut off flights before WH acted. United told WH it was about to do same but would hold off to let WH take credit. All before China ban. Trump claims blocking China travel saved million-plus lives. But covid strains that killed most Americans came from Europe. WH let travel continue weeks after Italy outbreak. Troubled Trump speech/policy caused more covid to flood in. Only 100,530 deaths. I've done a great job.
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Post by SSHoya on May 28, 2020 13:54:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 19:38:21 GMT -5
China ain't got nothing on us.
Federal and state officials across the country have altered or hidden public health data crucial to tracking the coronavirus' spread, hindering the ability to detect a surge of infections as President Donald Trump pushes the nation to reopen rapidly.
In at least a dozen states, health departments have inflated testing numbers or deflated death tallies by changing criteria for who counts as a coronavirus victim and what counts as a coronavirus test, according to reporting from POLITICO, other news outlets and the states' own admissions. Some states have shifted the metrics for a “safe” reopening; Arizona sought to clamp down on bad news at one point by simply shuttering its pandemic modeling. About a third of the states aren’t even reporting hospital admission data — a big red flag for the resurgence of the virus.
In Georgia, where Gov. Brian Kemp has been among the strongest proponents of reopening, the inclusion of antibody tests inflated the state’s overall testing count by nearly 78,000 — a disclosure that came a few weeks after officials posted a chart of new confirmed cases in Georgia with the dates jumbled out of order, showing a downward trajectory.
Like several other states, Georgia's health department began listing separate totals for its antibody and diagnostic test counts only after reporters discovered it had been quietly combining the two.
Georgia's count of hospitalized coronavirus patients also includes only those who were already in the hospital when their diagnosis was reported to the state, a limitation that the state has openly admitted likely creates “an underestimation of actual hospitalizations.”
“It’s going through political filters there in the same way that maybe we’re seeing some information go through political filters at the federal level,” said Harry Heiman, a professor at Georgia State University’s School of Public Health, of the state’s coronavirus data. “It makes it really hard to know what’s going on.”
Florida has weathered a string of controversies over its evidence to support GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis’ boasts that the state is faring better than most, including an attempt to block access to information on nursing home deaths and the firing of a health department official who now alleges she was pushed out for refusing to manipulate the state’s data.
A separate dispute involved the health department’s attempt to suppress the coronavirus death count published by Florida’s medical examiners — a figure that was initially higher than health officials’ tally.
“Never, before today, has the Department of Health raised an eyebrow that this information is confidential and privileged,” said Stephen Nelson, the district medical examiner for Polk County, Fla.
By the time the examiners’ death toll was finally released almost two weeks later amid public pressure, the number was lower than the one published by the health department.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:45:51 GMT -5
Check the date.
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Post by Filo on May 29, 2020 13:26:34 GMT -5
China ain't got nothing on us. Federal and state officials across the country have altered or hidden public health data crucial to tracking the coronavirus' spread, hindering the ability to detect a surge of infections as President Donald Trump pushes the nation to reopen rapidly. In at least a dozen states, health departments have inflated testing numbers or deflated death tallies by changing criteria for who counts as a coronavirus victim and what counts as a coronavirus test, according to reporting from POLITICO, other news outlets and the states' own admissions. Some states have shifted the metrics for a “safe” reopening; Arizona sought to clamp down on bad news at one point by simply shuttering its pandemic modeling. About a third of the states aren’t even reporting hospital admission data — a big red flag for the resurgence of the virus. In Georgia, where Gov. Brian Kemp has been among the strongest proponents of reopening, the inclusion of antibody tests inflated the state’s overall testing count by nearly 78,000 — a disclosure that came a few weeks after officials posted a chart of new confirmed cases in Georgia with the dates jumbled out of order, showing a downward trajectory. Like several other states, Georgia's health department began listing separate totals for its antibody and diagnostic test counts only after reporters discovered it had been quietly combining the two. Georgia's count of hospitalized coronavirus patients also includes only those who were already in the hospital when their diagnosis was reported to the state, a limitation that the state has openly admitted likely creates “an underestimation of actual hospitalizations.” “It’s going through political filters there in the same way that maybe we’re seeing some information go through political filters at the federal level,” said Harry Heiman, a professor at Georgia State University’s School of Public Health, of the state’s coronavirus data. “It makes it really hard to know what’s going on.” Florida has weathered a string of controversies over its evidence to support GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis’ boasts that the state is faring better than most, including an attempt to block access to information on nursing home deaths and the firing of a health department official who now alleges she was pushed out for refusing to manipulate the state’s data. A separate dispute involved the health department’s attempt to suppress the coronavirus death count published by Florida’s medical examiners — a figure that was initially higher than health officials’ tally. “Never, before today, has the Department of Health raised an eyebrow that this information is confidential and privileged,” said Stephen Nelson, the district medical examiner for Polk County, Fla. By the time the examiners’ death toll was finally released almost two weeks later amid public pressure, the number was lower than the one published by the health department. Seeing lots of smoke regarding big increases in "pneumonia-related" deaths in some states, which would obviously suggest more numbers-fudging. Looking to determine if any of the sources can actually be relied on.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 14:17:27 GMT -5
China ain't got nothing on us. Federal and state officials across the country have altered or hidden public health data crucial to tracking the coronavirus' spread, hindering the ability to detect a surge of infections as President Donald Trump pushes the nation to reopen rapidly. In at least a dozen states, health departments have inflated testing numbers or deflated death tallies by changing criteria for who counts as a coronavirus victim and what counts as a coronavirus test, according to reporting from POLITICO, other news outlets and the states' own admissions. Some states have shifted the metrics for a “safe” reopening; Arizona sought to clamp down on bad news at one point by simply shuttering its pandemic modeling. About a third of the states aren’t even reporting hospital admission data — a big red flag for the resurgence of the virus. In Georgia, where Gov. Brian Kemp has been among the strongest proponents of reopening, the inclusion of antibody tests inflated the state’s overall testing count by nearly 78,000 — a disclosure that came a few weeks after officials posted a chart of new confirmed cases in Georgia with the dates jumbled out of order, showing a downward trajectory. Like several other states, Georgia's health department began listing separate totals for its antibody and diagnostic test counts only after reporters discovered it had been quietly combining the two. Georgia's count of hospitalized coronavirus patients also includes only those who were already in the hospital when their diagnosis was reported to the state, a limitation that the state has openly admitted likely creates “an underestimation of actual hospitalizations.” “It’s going through political filters there in the same way that maybe we’re seeing some information go through political filters at the federal level,” said Harry Heiman, a professor at Georgia State University’s School of Public Health, of the state’s coronavirus data. “It makes it really hard to know what’s going on.” Florida has weathered a string of controversies over its evidence to support GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis’ boasts that the state is faring better than most, including an attempt to block access to information on nursing home deaths and the firing of a health department official who now alleges she was pushed out for refusing to manipulate the state’s data. A separate dispute involved the health department’s attempt to suppress the coronavirus death count published by Florida’s medical examiners — a figure that was initially higher than health officials’ tally. “Never, before today, has the Department of Health raised an eyebrow that this information is confidential and privileged,” said Stephen Nelson, the district medical examiner for Polk County, Fla. By the time the examiners’ death toll was finally released almost two weeks later amid public pressure, the number was lower than the one published by the health department. Seeing lots of smoke regarding big increases in "pneumonia-related" deaths in some states, which would obviously suggest more numbers-fudging. Looking to determine if any of the sources can actually be relied on. I saw some health experts debunking part of that. It's undercounted but not by the wide margin inferred by those tweets. I think it has something to do with how the CDC counts deaths. The number listed was just pneumonia deaths while the other from the CDC website was where pneumonia was listed along with other factors. When that was accounted for it brought the numbers down to around 500-1000 extra deaths vs the 5,000 that the tweet suggested. I'll try and find it, but they also said there might be a lag in data because the numbers are still coming in so could be larger in the end. Either way there's definitely been some undercounting.
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Post by SSHoya on May 30, 2020 5:01:21 GMT -5
The Supreme Court in 1990 abandoned the "compelling interest" test and gave the government even more latitude under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment in Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990). A law is constitutional under the Free Exercise Clause if it is facially neutral and generally applied. Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, observed that the Court has never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that government is free to regulate. Allowing exceptions to every state law or regulation affecting religion "would open the prospect of constitutionally required exemptions from civic obligations of almost every conceivable kind." Scalia cited as examples compulsory military service, payment of taxes, vaccination requirements, and child-neglect laws. www.oyez.org/cases/1989/88-1213 From the syllabus: Although a State would be "prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]" in violation of the Clause if it sought to ban the performance of (or abstention from) physical acts solely because of their religious motivation, the Clause does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a law that incidentally forbids (or requires) the performance of an act that his religious belief requires (or forbids) if the law is not specifically directed to religious practice and is otherwise constitutional as applied to those who engage in the specified act for nonreligious reasons. See, e.g., Reynolds v. United States, 98 U. S. 145, 98 U. S. 166-167. Page 494 U. S. at 873 supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/494/872/Thank you for the correction. Especially in light of these precedents, Ed’s quoting of the Constitution is simply off base. The Supreme Court late Friday rejected a California church’s challenge of the state’s new pandemic-related rules on worship services, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joining the court’s liberals in the 5-to-4 vote. Limits on houses of worship raise constitutional questions, Roberts said, but California had not shown bias against them. “Similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended periods of time,” the chief justice wrote. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-considers-churches-demands-that-states-lift-pandemic-restrictions/2020/05/29/af07b918-a1b2-11ea-81bb-c2f70f01034b_story.html
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Post by DanMcQ on May 30, 2020 14:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 31, 2020 10:38:22 GMT -5
Honest question, attempting to understand terms: what is the significance of the IFR, Infection Fatality Rate? To answer your question, Ed: the significance is that IFR is a fraction that you can use to reverse-engineer the number of total infections if you know the number of deaths. If - this is a big IF - surviving an infection grants you immunity, then the overall infection rate moving up gets you closer to herd immunity. To the extent that it is coming up now (I saw a National Review headline about it, so I get the feeling the debate over it is about to be caught up in the partisan currents), it's probably because there is a hope that the IFR is very low, large percentages of the population have already been infected without symptoms and are now immune, and we don't have to wait until there's a vaccine for this thing to stop being such a disruptive problem. The jury is still out, obviously. Viruses also tend to mutate in the direction of lower IFR over time, although "time" is a quirky variable when it comes to pathogens. This is a handy explainer from early April, which feels like a decade ago now: www.virology.ws/2020/04/05/infection-fatality-rate-a-critical-missing-piece-for-managing-covid-19/
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Post by EasyEd on May 31, 2020 12:52:44 GMT -5
Honest question, attempting to understand terms: what is the significance of the IFR, Infection Fatality Rate? To answer your question, Ed: the significance is that IFR is a fraction that you can use to reverse-engineer the number of total infections if you know the number of deaths. If - this is a big IF - surviving an infection grants you immunity, then the overall infection rate moving up gets you closer to herd immunity. To the extent that it is coming up now (I saw a National Review headline about it, so I get the feeling the debate over it is about to be caught up in the partisan currents), it's probably because there is a hope that the IFR is very low, large percentages of the population have already been infected without symptoms and are now immune, and we don't have to wait until there's a vaccine for this thing to stop being such a disruptive problem. The jury is still out, obviously. Viruses also tend to mutate in the direction of lower IFR over time, although "time" is a quirky variable when it comes to pathogens. This is a handy explainer from early April, which feels like a decade ago now: www.virology.ws/2020/04/05/infection-fatality-rate-a-critical-missing-piece-for-managing-covid-19/Thanks Russky. Much appreciated.
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