LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 11:24:28 GMT -5
As I mentioned a few posts ago, there is a specific rule that for the 21-22 season any players that are using their 4th year of eligibility in the 20-21 season can come back to their current team and not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility. There is no guarantee, and people believe it's unlikely, that this rule will be extended to future seasons past 21-22. This is why it's important to think of this season essentially not counting against eligibility for everyone and the exception only being for 21-22. Below is a breakdown of how I understand the rules based on the NCAA decisions and supplemental articles: -Current athletes will now have 6 years to complete 5 years of eligibility -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with their current team will not count against the scholarship limit of 13 -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with a different team will count against the scholarship limit of 13 -There is no guarantee that athletes will not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility in future seasons past 21-22 The exception (only '21-'22) part seems silly. What if somebody decides to come back and gets hurt before next year starts? Then they come back the following year & count again? And it doesn't make much sense to give these other kids extra years if they can't actually use them. It's one thing to be on a roster with "too many" (14, 15) guys (like next '21-'22 would be), but it's entirely another to get shut out of playing b/c the rosters get limited to 13 again in '22-'23. I agree that it's silly. I'm not sure what the NCAA's intention is, but maybe they just think that coaches and players will be able to plan for it in advance after this upcoming season? Or maybe they are taking it year by year to see how many athletes decide to come back for their 5th year before deciding. I don't think they've extended the rule for next season for Spring sports so if that doesn't happen then it's likely a sign that it won't happen for any sports.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 18, 2021 11:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 11:31:22 GMT -5
Zeke, I'm confused man because other kids have "normal" eligibility too other than Carey. It is because he has his undergrad degree already and PERHAPS he's gotten his grad degree is the reason why you picked him? Because to me that would be the only way that makes sense. But if you apply that standard to Carey then you would have to apply that same standard to Bile assuming he has his graduate degree and therefore neither one of them could come back. This is Morko and Juggy's 4th year playing D1 bball. If I'm getting the rule correct normally you would have 5yrs to play 4 seasons. Next year because of covid-19 the NCAA is giving a free year. Not normal. Bile is a grad-transfer so normally he would only have 1 year at the new school. So the 3 of them would be done with collegiate bball after this season under normal conditions. I wasn't saying get rid of Carey. I just don't know who has to go to fit in Aminu and I thought bringing back the seniors would affect the count. I have been schooled that it doesn't change anything. Still would only have to find the 1 scholly for Aminu......for the record I'm against bringing any of the seniors back. I like this feeling of dancing but I think developing the next class will get us over the hump. Hmmm. I don't know Zeke. To the point about developing the next class, I don't think these freshmen soon to be sophomores can get us back to the big dance. You think the incoming freshmen along with the sophomores and Q can do it by themselves? Usually teams have some senior players who have been through the trenches and knows what the coach wants to do in terms of X's and O's. This bunch we have here along with the incoming guys (because they are not so familiar with the system and the X's and O's) will have some growing pains to go through before we can see some w's in the beginning of the season as opposed to l's which could derail us from making the big dance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 11:36:42 GMT -5
Zeke, I'm confused man because other kids have "normal" eligibility too other than Carey. It is because he has his undergrad degree already and PERHAPS he's gotten his grad degree is the reason why you picked him? Because to me that would be the only way that makes sense. But if you apply that standard to Carey then you would have to apply that same standard to Bile assuming he has his graduate degree and therefore neither one of them could come back. Bile without COVID would've used up his eligibility after this season. Carey transferred alot but only played 2 seasons of NCAA ball. So even though he graduated he can still play 2 seasons plus the free covid year. In theory he could play for Georgetown for 3 years total. Yes, this is how I was reading it Professor. I was reading it as Bile and Carey would be eligible for another year and they could play next season if they so desired.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 18, 2021 12:15:28 GMT -5
Of all the guys who could come back next year I’m thinking Carey would bring the most to the program. Assuming Blair leaves (and I think his relationship with PE is toxic) we will definitely need an experienced guard to complement Dante. Carey gives us real depth at pg and also gives us insurance against the possibility of one of our recruits flaming out.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 18, 2021 18:00:13 GMT -5
I was just reading about how the big east break changed a lot of teams and their destinies like Gonzaga being considered at one point but gets to dominate constantly in WCC. This included uconn and theirs fans should honestly realize that they came basically crawling back as we were doing great without them (as a conference sending 5 or 6 to the tourney, sure they won in 2014 but have had a bad patch similar to ours missing 4 years) and they were trying to fumble together a garbage football team just to sell out (in a worse conference) like the other schools that bailed. So at that point while in the AAC if you took away the basketball success then I would never have heard of Uconn in my life (Their women's team is more famous to me than the men's lol). It is good for the conference branding that they are back (since we don't have a plethora of overrated brands that get us bonus points in seeding cough cough ACC) but honestly I wouldn't have been upset at all if the BE told them to rot in the bed they made. (I don't really have bad blood or bitter, I just like loyalty and watching people fall apart while selling out lol)
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Post by wponds on Mar 19, 2021 12:48:58 GMT -5
I knew the fans wanted him gone, but didn't think it would actually happen. Not yet at least
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 19, 2021 13:57:10 GMT -5
Another transfer from Xavier
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 19, 2021 14:01:36 GMT -5
I knew the fans wanted him gone, but didn't think it would actually happen. Not yet at least Yea thought he’d have another year. They clearly waited until today to bury this story. It’ll be interesting to see the names they garner interest for that job. I assume a hot mid major coach? Maybe Mike Rhodes (VCU) or Porter Mosier (Loyola)? Wonder if there’ll be guys going for both DePaul and this job, with the latter being much more attractive.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 19, 2021 14:21:34 GMT -5
I knew the fans wanted him gone, but didn't think it would actually happen. Not yet at least Yea thought he’d have another year. They clearly waited until today to bury this story. It’ll be interesting to see the names they garner interest for that job. I assume a hot mid major coach? Maybe Mike Rhodes (VCU) or Porter Mosier (Loyola)? Wonder if there’ll be guys going for both DePaul and this job, with the latter being much more attractive. WOW, I thought he would get one more year. They have a pretty good roster returning with Garcia, Lewis and Carton. That will be an interesting job to see who they hire. Wonder if any of those kids hit the transfer portal now
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:50 GMT -5
Another transfer from Xavier That kid is a good athlete and can really shoot it. Not sure what to make of Xavier. They get the one kid coming back for the fifth year and now this kid leaving.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 19, 2021 16:57:26 GMT -5
Another transfer from Xavier That kid is a good athlete and can really shoot it. Not sure what to make of Xavier. They get the one kid coming back for the fifth year and now this kid leaving. Steele’s in trouble - unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, he’ll be gone after next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 17:11:41 GMT -5
Man the Big East is falling apart! I hate this!
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2021 17:19:03 GMT -5
I knew the fans wanted him gone, but didn't think it would actually happen. Not yet at least Georgetown winning the BET probably expedited his departure. Floor Slap
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 19, 2021 17:31:39 GMT -5
I knew the fans wanted him gone, but didn't think it would actually happen. Not yet at least Yea thought he’d have another year. They clearly waited until today to bury this story. It’ll be interesting to see the names they garner interest for that job. I assume a hot mid major coach? Maybe Mike Rhodes (VCU) or Porter Mosier (Loyola)? Wonder if there’ll be guys going for both DePaul and this job, with the latter being much more attractive. It's gonna be very interesting to see who gets Moser, if anyone... I’m hoping DePaul can get it done, he would be perfect for them...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 19, 2021 17:34:41 GMT -5
I can live with the Big East becoming Gtown, Nova, UConn and everyone else. 😂
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 19, 2021 17:43:16 GMT -5
Yea thought he’d have another year. They clearly waited until today to bury this story. It’ll be interesting to see the names they garner interest for that job. I assume a hot mid major coach? Maybe Mike Rhodes (VCU) or Porter Mosier (Loyola)? Wonder if there’ll be guys going for both DePaul and this job, with the latter being much more attractive. It's gonna be very interesting to see who gets Moser, if anyone... I’m hoping DePaul can get it done, he would be perfect for them... I’d rather eject DePaul from the Big East and add Loyola Chicago and Gonzaga
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Post by BigmanU on Mar 20, 2021 8:34:37 GMT -5
I can live with the Big East becoming Gtown, Nova, UConn and everyone else. 😂 Agree, between the following schools, the teams or coaches' future truly isn't that bright Marquette (wait & see what coach is hired) Depaul Creighton (Don't know how recruiting will trend, have great fan base & venue however) Xavier Butler
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Post by drquigley on Mar 20, 2021 19:20:01 GMT -5
I can live with the Big East becoming Gtown, Nova, UConn and everyone else. 😂 Agree, between the following schools, the teams or coaches' future truly isn't that bright Marquette (wait & see what coach is hired) Depaul Creighton (Don't know how recruiting will trend, have great fan base & venue however) Xavier Butler Watching our BE teams in the tourney you may have your wish.
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Post by ewingitrust on Mar 20, 2021 19:36:26 GMT -5
Alot hinges on if Colin comes back to Nova n maybe Duke from Friars. The Johnnies n UConn will be there.. Otherwise we have a great chance to lead the way next season.
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