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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 6:21:09 GMT -5
I feel you but I am trying to win the whole thing not be back at the bottom again. If those guys want to come back because they feel it might help their professional career. I hope coach allows it. It certainly is going to help Georgetown contend for the National title and that is what we are here for.I don't want to go back down to the bottom. You do realize that with everyone but Carey leaving we are still 1 scholly short for Aminu who is the crown jewel of our '21 recruiting class? So you must want Coach to tell his entire '20 recruiting class except Dante to kick rocks. Players that opt to use their “extra year” of eligibility will not count against the scholarship limit in the 21-22 season if they stay with their current team.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2021 7:38:52 GMT -5
You do realize that with everyone but Carey leaving we are still 1 scholly short for Aminu who is the crown jewel of our '21 recruiting class? So you must want Coach to tell his entire '20 recruiting class except Dante to kick rocks. Players that opt to use their “extra year” of eligibility will not count against the scholarship limit in the 21-22 season if they stay with their current team. I think people are conflating two issues. Assuming that that Carey is NOT considered a senior, we are one scholarship over the limit for next year even setting aside seniors that could return. In other words, a non-senior on the team with current eligibility for next year will have to not return to the team if we are to enroll all of our recruits. Could be Carey. Could be that someone transfers. But whether or not any seniors return for an "extra" year has nothing to do with that issue. Separately...Blair, Pickett, and Bile could opt to return and if any do, they do not count against us for the one year. That is, they can return for one year for free -- without anyone having to transfer to make room for them. There's going to be a ton of movement -- and a ton of other waivers requested. I'm guessing a ton will be granted too. It may be that the staff knows that they will be able to go over the limit for some reason next year via a waiver for someone. More likely is that they know someone is transferring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 8:13:22 GMT -5
I feel you but I am trying to win the whole thing not be back at the bottom again. If those guys want to come back because they feel it might help their professional career. I hope coach allows it. It certainly is going to help Georgetown contend for the National title and that is what we are here for.I don't want to go back down to the bottom. You do realize that with everyone but Carey leaving we are still 1 scholly short for Aminu who is the crown jewel of our '21 recruiting class? So you must want Coach to tell his entire '20 recruiting class except Dante to kick rocks. When Catey joined the program or enrolled in school, we weren't one scholarship over. So, what is your point? Why do you pick Carey as the scapegoar?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 8:27:20 GMT -5
Players that opt to use their “extra year” of eligibility will not count against the scholarship limit in the 21-22 season if they stay with their current team. I think people are conflating two issues. Assuming that that Carey is NOT considered a senior, we are one scholarship over the limit for next year even setting aside seniors that could return. In other words, a non-senior on the team with current eligibility for next year will have to not return to the team if we are to enroll all of our recruits. Could be Carey. Could be that someone transfers. But whether or not any seniors return for an "extra" year has nothing to do with that issue. Separately...Blair, Pickett, and Bile could opt to return and if any do, they do not count against us for the one year. That is, they can return for one year for free -- without anyone having to transfer to make room for them. There's going to be a ton of movement -- and a ton of other waivers requested. I'm guessing a ton will be granted too. It may be that the staff knows that they will be able to go over the limit for some reason next year via a waiver for someone. More likely is that they know someone is transferring. Maybe? But the last few posts were specifically about Pickett, Blair, and Bile.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 18, 2021 8:31:31 GMT -5
I think people are conflating two issues. Assuming that that Carey is NOT considered a senior, we are one scholarship over the limit for next year even setting aside seniors that could return. In other words, a non-senior on the team with current eligibility for next year will have to not return to the team if we are to enroll all of our recruits. Could be Carey. Could be that someone transfers. But whether or not any seniors return for an "extra" year has nothing to do with that issue. Separately...Blair, Pickett, and Bile could opt to return and if any do, they do not count against us for the one year. That is, they can return for one year for free -- without anyone having to transfer to make room for them. There's going to be a ton of movement -- and a ton of other waivers requested. I'm guessing a ton will be granted too. It may be that the staff knows that they will be able to go over the limit for some reason next year via a waiver for someone. More likely is that they know someone is transferring. Maybe? But the last few posts were specifically about Pickett, Blair, and Bile. Right. But whether any of Blair, Pickett or Bile return has nothing to do with whether we're over or under the limit for next year. Their decisions don't affect that one way or another. That's the point.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 18, 2021 8:38:03 GMT -5
Maybe? But the last few posts were specifically about Pickett, Blair, and Bile. Right. But whether any of Blair, Pickett or Bile return has nothing to do with whether we're over or under the limit for next year. Their decisions don't affect that one way or another. That's the point. Also it is up to the schools if they want to finance and pay for these extra years and up to the coaches if they want to extend an offer to stick around another year. Smaller programs aren't going to be able to afford this even if the NCAA allows it. This is going to be the strangest off season ever. Coaches clearly know a good bit of what is going on and my guess is there will be some player movement within the current team. Based on averages in NCAA I think 1.6 players move per year per team. This year you will probably see that number go up as the NCAA absolutely shouldn't enforce any transfer restrictions if kids played in '20/'21. The kids put a lot on the line for the $$$ making ability of the NCAA. They deserve to freely move this year if they so want in my opinion.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 18, 2021 9:29:24 GMT -5
You do realize that with everyone but Carey leaving we are still 1 scholly short for Aminu who is the crown jewel of our '21 recruiting class? So you must want Coach to tell his entire '20 recruiting class except Dante to kick rocks. When Catey joined the program or enrolled in school, we weren't one scholarship over. So, what is your point? Why do you pick Carey as the scapegoar? I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2021 9:33:46 GMT -5
When Catey joined the program or enrolled in school, we weren't one scholarship over. So, what is your point? Why do you pick Carey as the scapegoar? I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Couldn't Carey use his exception year and defer the normal eligibility year? He shouldn't be penalized for being smart.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 9:36:41 GMT -5
Maybe? But the last few posts were specifically about Pickett, Blair, and Bile. Right. But whether any of Blair, Pickett or Bile return has nothing to do with whether we're over or under the limit for next year. Their decisions don't affect that one way or another. That's the point. Yeah I agree, and that was my point in explaining to the previous poster that Blair, Pickett, Bile don't matter to the scholarship situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 9:38:20 GMT -5
I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Couldn't Carey use his exception year and defer the normal eligibility year? He shouldn't be penalized for being smart. I don't think they'll let you do that. I'm pretty sure you'll need to have used up all of your regular eligibility before using the free year. Otherwise, anybody (SO-SR) could say "I'm using my extra year" at any time and they wouldn't count against the cap. Even if they know they're going to leave (for the pros?) at the end of the year and never really need the free year.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2021 9:40:09 GMT -5
Couldn't Carey use his exception year and defer the normal eligibility year? He shouldn't be penalized for being smart. I don't think they'll let you do that. I'm pretty sure you'll need to have used up all of your regular eligibility before using the free year. Otherwise, anybody (SO-SR) could say "I'm using my extra year" at any time and they wouldn't count against the cap. Even if they know they're going to leave (for the pros?) at the end of the year and never really need the free year. I think it would be different though since Carey already graduated and has a degree. There are probably few people in that boat who have graduated and have 3 years left (2 years + covid free year)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 9:44:54 GMT -5
I don't think they'll let you do that. I'm pretty sure you'll need to have used up all of your regular eligibility before using the free year. Otherwise, anybody (SO-SR) could say "I'm using my extra year" at any time and they wouldn't count against the cap. Even if they know they're going to leave (for the pros?) at the end of the year and never really need the free year. I think it would be different though since Carey already graduated and has a degree. There are probably few people in that boat who have graduated and have 3 years left (2 years + covid free year) You're right about being a small number of guys, but I don't know why they'd be treated any differently. If you have eligibility, you'll continue to use it like you would if the COVID year had never happened. Once it's exhausted, then you get to use the free year.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 9:45:07 GMT -5
I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Couldn't Carey use his exception year and defer the normal eligibility year? He shouldn't be penalized for being smart. This year is everyone's exception year. The rule for the 21-22 season is only to allow players that would have completed their 4 years of eligibility this year to come back to their current teams and not count against the scholarship limit. There's no guarantee that the rule will apply to future seasons. Carey isn't being "penalized for being smart". He has two years of eligibility remaining because this year doesn't count, so he has a lot of options available to him for his future.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 9:46:50 GMT -5
I think it would be different though since Carey already graduated and has a degree. There are probably few people in that boat who have graduated and have 3 years left (2 years + covid free year) You're right about being a small number of guys, but I don't know why they'd be treated any differently. If you have eligibility, you'll continue to use it like you would if the COVID year had never happened. Once it's exhausted, then you get to use the free year. Essentially yes, except that this year is the free year. From an athlete eligibility perspective, this season doesn't count.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 9:48:42 GMT -5
When Catey joined the program or enrolled in school, we weren't one scholarship over. So, what is your point? Why do you pick Carey as the scapegoar? I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Zeke, I'm confused man because other kids have "normal" eligibility too other than Carey. It is because he has his undergrad degree already and PERHAPS he's gotten his grad degree is the reason why you picked him? Because to me that would be the only way that makes sense. But if you apply that standard to Carey then you would have to apply that same standard to Bile assuming he has his graduate degree and therefore neither one of them could come back.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 18, 2021 10:00:17 GMT -5
I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Zeke, I'm confused man because other kids have "normal" eligibility too other than Carey. It is because he has his undergrad degree already and PERHAPS he's gotten his grad degree is the reason why you picked him? Because to me that would be the only way that makes sense. But if you apply that standard to Carey then you would have to apply that same standard to Bile assuming he has his graduate degree and therefore neither one of them could come back. Bile without COVID would've used up his eligibility after this season. Carey transferred alot but only played 2 seasons of NCAA ball. So even though he graduated he can still play 2 seasons plus the free covid year. In theory he could play for Georgetown for 3 years total.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 10:05:46 GMT -5
You're right about being a small number of guys, but I don't know why they'd be treated any differently. If you have eligibility, you'll continue to use it like you would if the COVID year had never happened. Once it's exhausted, then you get to use the free year. Essentially yes, except that this year is the free year. From an athlete eligibility perspective, this season doesn't count. But there's eligibility (where this makes sense) and then there's the idea of that how those extra years will count against school limits. If Jamorko wants to come back, he can do so and not count against our 13 - correct? So this current season would count, but next year's would be a "free" year. That same extra year of eligibility applies to all kids (current FR/SO/JR). So they must have a 5th year that doesn't count against limits...? And that must be in the future, right?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 18, 2021 10:13:33 GMT -5
Essentially yes, except that this year is the free year. From an athlete eligibility perspective, this season doesn't count. But there's eligibility (where this makes sense) and then there's the idea of that how those extra years will count against school limits. If Jamorko wants to come back, he can do so and not count against our 13 - correct? So this current season would count, but next year's would be a "free" year. That same extra year of eligibility applies to all kids (current FR/SO/JR). So they must have a 5th year that doesn't count against limits...? And that must be in the future, right? As I mentioned a few posts ago, there is a specific rule that for the 21-22 season any players that are using their 4th year of eligibility in the 20-21 season can come back to their current team and not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility. There is no guarantee, and people believe it's unlikely, that this rule will be extended to future seasons past 21-22. This is why it's important to think of this season essentially not counting against eligibility for everyone and the exception only being for 21-22. Below is a breakdown of how I understand the rules based on the NCAA decisions and supplemental articles: -Current athletes will now have 6 years to complete 5 years of eligibility -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with their current team will not count against the scholarship limit of 13 -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with a different team will count against the scholarship limit of 13 -There is no guarantee that athletes will not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility in future seasons past 21-22
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 10:31:55 GMT -5
But there's eligibility (where this makes sense) and then there's the idea of that how those extra years will count against school limits. If Jamorko wants to come back, he can do so and not count against our 13 - correct? So this current season would count, but next year's would be a "free" year. That same extra year of eligibility applies to all kids (current FR/SO/JR). So they must have a 5th year that doesn't count against limits...? And that must be in the future, right? As I mentioned a few posts ago, there is a specific rule that for the 21-22 season any players that are using their 4th year of eligibility in the 20-21 season can come back to their current team and not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility. There is no guarantee, and people believe it's unlikely, that this rule will be extended to future seasons past 21-22. This is why it's important to think of this season essentially not counting against eligibility for everyone and the exception only being for 21-22. Below is a breakdown of how I understand the rules based on the NCAA decisions and supplemental articles: -Current athletes will now have 6 years to complete 5 years of eligibility -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with their current team will not count against the scholarship limit of 13 -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with a different team will count against the scholarship limit of 13 -There is no guarantee that athletes will not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility in future seasons past 21-22 The exception (only '21-'22) part seems silly. What if somebody decides to come back and gets hurt before next year starts? Then they come back the following year & count again? And it doesn't make much sense to give these other kids extra years if they can't actually use them. It's one thing to be on a roster with "too many" (14, 15) guys (like next '21-'22 would be), but it's entirely another to get shut out of playing b/c the rosters get limited to 13 again in '22-'23.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 18, 2021 10:45:36 GMT -5
I picked Carey because he is the only one with "normal" eligibility left. The others would be using the exception year. Zeke, I'm confused man because other kids have "normal" eligibility too other than Carey. It is because he has his undergrad degree already and PERHAPS he's gotten his grad degree is the reason why you picked him? Because to me that would be the only way that makes sense. But if you apply that standard to Carey then you would have to apply that same standard to Bile assuming he has his graduate degree and therefore neither one of them could come back. This is Morko and Juggy's 4th year playing D1 bball. If I'm getting the rule correct normally you would have 5yrs to play 4 seasons. Next year because of covid-19 the NCAA is giving a free year. Not normal. Bile is a grad-transfer so normally he would only have 1 year at the new school. So the 3 of them would be done with collegiate bball after this season under normal conditions. I wasn't saying get rid of Carey. I just don't know who has to go to fit in Aminu and I thought bringing back the seniors would affect the count. I have been schooled that it doesn't change anything. Still would only have to find the 1 scholly for Aminu......for the record I'm against bringing any of the seniors back. I like this feeling of dancing but I think developing the next class will get us over the hump.
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