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Post by sweetness on Dec 1, 2020 12:14:25 GMT -5
Both teams are young that's for sure. I think the Johnnies may have more of an identity simply because of the Anderson helter-skelter style of play, which is becoming more ingrained there. But I agree we can be competitive and beat them - just think they may rack up more Ws. I do think we can really hurt them inside.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 2, 2020 21:36:11 GMT -5
Tough night for the conference...
PC loses by 17 to Alabama (in a game they led 8-0) SJ loses by 6 to BYU Seton Hall loses by 13 to URI
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 2, 2020 23:21:26 GMT -5
Tough night for the conference... PC loses by 17 to Alabama (in a game they led 8-0) SJ loses by 6 to BYU Seton Hall loses by 13 to URI Ed Cooley continues to underachieve.
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Post by Massholya on Dec 3, 2020 12:48:10 GMT -5
Tough night for the conference... PC loses by 17 to Alabama (in a game they led 8-0) SJ loses by 6 to BYU Seton Hall loses by 13 to URI So you’re saying we have a chance?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2020 21:20:31 GMT -5
Very nice win for Marquette over #4 Wisconsin tonight...
Baltimore native Justin Lewis had the tip-in at the buzzer to cap off an 18pts & 8 rebound game...
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 4, 2020 21:25:28 GMT -5
Very nice win for Marquette over #4 Wisconsin tonight... Baltimore native Justin Lewis had the tip-in at the buzzer to cap off an 18pts & 8 rebound game... They seem to have recovered quite well from losing the Hausers and Marcus Howard, which is more talent than we lost in the last year. That’s the sign of a good program. Sigh.
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Post by guru on Dec 4, 2020 22:25:17 GMT -5
They seem to have recovered quite well from losing the Hausers and Marcus Howard, which is more talent than we lost in the last year. That’s the sign of a good program. Sigh. You’re smoking something if you think that’s true. Why do you post such nonsense? Your response here makes zero sense. Are you responding to the wrong thread?
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Post by mdtd on Dec 4, 2020 22:31:37 GMT -5
They seem to have recovered quite well from losing the Hausers and Marcus Howard, which is more talent than we lost in the last year. That’s the sign of a good program. Sigh. You’re smoking something if you think that’s true. If he thinks what is true? Because you have Markus Howard who is 21st all time in scoring in the NCAA, Sam Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder on a top 15 UVA team (someone who I'd consider the best player) and Joey Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder (not counting todays game since ESPN hasn't updated yet, so he's probably not the top in scoring but will still be in rebounding) on the eighth ranked team in the country. That's a ton of talent, and all that probably outranks our guys. They lost three of their top four scorers from last year and their leading rebounder. They were still good after losing the Hauser's and now losing Howard. I think you can make an argument that losing them all in one season would've been a much bigger loss, but they recovered well after losing those guys.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 4, 2020 22:33:06 GMT -5
Very nice win for Marquette over #4 Wisconsin tonight... Baltimore native Justin Lewis had the tip-in at the buzzer to cap off an 18pts & 8 rebound game... Lewis is a difference maker. Sigh.
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Post by hoyaduck on Dec 4, 2020 23:16:59 GMT -5
Seton Hall falls to my second love. Mamukelashvili was really off. He didn't make his first basket until around 4mins left in the first half and it was a 3 pointer off the glass. He hardly shot the ball, too, which was weird. 3 for 7 from the field.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2020 1:27:14 GMT -5
You’re smoking something if you think that’s true. Why do you post such nonsense? Your response here makes zero sense. Are you responding to the wrong thread? He just posts to disagree with certain people. He has no clue what he’s talking about. He lack of basketball knowledge is constantly apparent but he just doesn’t half the self awareness to take his ball and go home.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 5, 2020 1:30:21 GMT -5
Very nice win for Marquette over #4 Wisconsin tonight... Baltimore native Justin Lewis had the tip-in at the buzzer to cap off an 18pts & 8 rebound game... Lewis is a difference maker. Sigh. For as good as Howard was he had that Mac quality where he would be tough to play with. Most people can’t grasp the addition by subtraction concept when a player scores a lot of points. Marquette fans probably have the same feelings right now that we do. If Howard left and not the Hausers they would be in really good shape right now just like if Mac left and James and Josh stayed we would be in much better shape.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2020 5:57:17 GMT -5
Why do you post such nonsense? Your response here makes zero sense. Are you responding to the wrong thread? He just posts to disagree with certain people. He has no clue what he’s talking about. He lack of basketball knowledge is constantly apparent but he just doesn’t half the self awareness to take his ball and go home. As I’ve said before, the “block member posts” is a wonderful feature. Avoids wasting time debating irrational / immature comments.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 5, 2020 12:22:14 GMT -5
nypost.com/2020/12/04/st-johns-gets-committment-from-juco-big-man-esahia-nyiwe/He was recruited by Temple, Tulsa, VCU and Wichita State before picking Texas Tech. But after the Red Raiders landed VCU graduate transfer Marcus Santos-Silva and forward Joel Ntambwe opted to return after flirting with going pro (he has since left the program ironically), there wasn’t a role for Nyiwe. So he opted to look elsewhere. Georgia, Jacksonville State and Kennesaw State were among schools he heard from. But he liked St. John’s and he felt the Johnnies’ uptempo style and pressure defense fit him best.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 5, 2020 12:47:50 GMT -5
You’re smoking something if you think that’s true. If he thinks what is true? Because you have Markus Howard who is 21st all time in scoring in the NCAA, Sam Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder on a top 15 UVA team (someone who I'd consider the best player) and Joey Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder (not counting todays game since ESPN hasn't updated yet, so he's probably not the top in scoring but will still be in rebounding) on the eighth ranked team in the country. That's a ton of talent, and all that probably outranks our guys. They lost three of their top four scorers from last year and their leading rebounder. They were still good after losing the Hauser's and now losing Howard. I think you can make an argument that losing them all in one season would've been a much bigger loss, but they recovered well after losing those guys. Once again you are going out of your way to defend another coach and another program to diminish Ewing and Georgetown. We lost LeBlanc, top player Akinjo Mac Galen Myron 5th year Terrell Allen, one of the top points guards Yurt7, top college big Jagan Mosley, top college defender
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2020 13:59:14 GMT -5
If he thinks what is true? Because you have Markus Howard who is 21st all time in scoring in the NCAA, Sam Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder on a top 15 UVA team (someone who I'd consider the best player) and Joey Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder (not counting todays game since ESPN hasn't updated yet, so he's probably not the top in scoring but will still be in rebounding) on the eighth ranked team in the country. That's a ton of talent, and all that probably outranks our guys. They lost three of their top four scorers from last year and their leading rebounder. They were still good after losing the Hauser's and now losing Howard. I think you can make an argument that losing them all in one season would've been a much bigger loss, but they recovered well after losing those guys. Once again you are going out of your way to defend another coach and another program to diminish Ewing and Georgetown. We lost LeBlanc, top player Akinjo Mac Galen Myron 5th year Terrell Allen, one of the top points guards Yurt7, top college big Jagan Mosley, top college defender No reason to debate this topic further, but I really can’t help myself. I’m not really sure it’s even a debate, but for the posters who like to fight you if you say the sky is blue and then say it’s just an excuse for Ewing basing, here are facts: -Markus Howard is the All-Time BE scoring champion and was a first team All American. In a category of his own. We haven’t had a player of his impact since Otto. -Sam Hauser who was 2nd Team All BE, and now the top scorer on a Top 10 UVA squad -Joey Hauser who was all Freshman his one year at Marquette and now is averaging 11 pts / 10 rebs for a Top 10 MSU team. -Sacar Anim who averaged 13 pts / 4 rebs and played among the most minutes in the league as a senior. Nothing to say of two senior big men in Jayce Johnson and Ed Morrow who provided depth and key rebounding. So rightfully people could have expected when you lose those players over the last 12 months, they’d get a pass this year, also dealing with COVID and limited practice (not just us), and expect a drop off. But here they are looking strong through their games thus far, having just knocked off the #4 team in the country. On the Georgetown side, no one we lost was in Howard’s league. That is a fact. You could argue the freshman trio were as equally promising as the Hausers, but that remains to be seen. Allen and Jagan fit the Sacar Anam mold. Alexander? Gardner? Can’t say those are program altering losses. Even if I go out on a limb and said the aggregate talent loss was somewhat equal, why did that team get to greater heights with their talent and now have rebounded exponentially better than we have? Weren’t there behind the eight ball in recruiting backfills for the Hausers? Didn’t they have limited practice to incorporate new pieces? Yet they just beat Wisconsin and have looked impressive, and we just lost to Navy and have looked anything but.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 5, 2020 16:33:51 GMT -5
If he thinks what is true? Because you have Markus Howard who is 21st all time in scoring in the NCAA, Sam Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder on a top 15 UVA team (someone who I'd consider the best player) and Joey Hauser who is the leading scorer and rebounder (not counting todays game since ESPN hasn't updated yet, so he's probably not the top in scoring but will still be in rebounding) on the eighth ranked team in the country. That's a ton of talent, and all that probably outranks our guys. They lost three of their top four scorers from last year and their leading rebounder. They were still good after losing the Hauser's and now losing Howard. I think you can make an argument that losing them all in one season would've been a much bigger loss, but they recovered well after losing those guys. Once again you are going out of your way to defend another coach and another program to diminish Ewing and Georgetown.We lost LeBlanc, top player Akinjo Mac Galen Myron 5th year Terrell Allen, one of the top points guards Yurt7, top college big Jagan Mosley, top college defender I didn't defend Wojo at all and I didn't start the conversation, so again I didn't go out of my way. I think it's undebatable that Wojo was the reason that the Hausers left. His teams also always slump late in the season, too. Wojo is a very good recruiter but a bad X and O coach. I did not defend Wojo in the slightest. Wojo is very good at doing the minimum to keep his job and not an ounce more. I'm not a fan of Wojo, but he gets a ton of talent on his teams. That game last night was a very fun game. Him bringing in Carton, Garcia and Lewis allows for them to be there in these games. And if we are bringing up Myron and Galen, they lost Brendan Bailey who was expected to be a leader on this years team, too, and probably the leading scorer (at least before they brought in Carton). Their losses are over the course of multiple years, while ours were one offseason (which by the way I said gave his claim credit and actually defended Ewing, but I'm sure you didn't read that and just willingly misinterpreted my post to prove a point) which made it easier on Wojo. And I love Allen, but by one of the top PGs are you talking in the conference? Because I'm sorry but I'm taking McKnight, Howard, Zegarowski, Moore, Gillespie and Baldwin over him. Allen was very useful for our team and he did everything we needed him to, but those guys were/are just excellent talents, too. Again, I think you are taking me giving credit to other people the wrong way. I think rather than me diminishing Ewing, you guys are diminishing what these other coaches have done. I am critical of Coach Ewing, but these instances you have chosen just aren't that.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 5, 2020 17:53:05 GMT -5
Once again you are going out of your way to defend another coach and another program to diminish Ewing and Georgetown.We lost LeBlanc, top player Akinjo Mac Galen Myron 5th year Terrell Allen, one of the top points guards Yurt7, top college big Jagan Mosley, top college defender I didn't defend Wojo at all and I didn't start the conversation, so again I didn't go out of my way. I think it's undebatable that Wojo was the reason that the Hausers left. His teams also always slump late in the season, too. Wojo is a very good recruiter but a bad X and O coach. I did not defend Wojo in the slightest. Wojo is very good at doing the minimum to keep his job and not an ounce more. I'm not a fan of Wojo, but he gets a ton of talent on his teams. That game last night was a very fun game. Him bringing in Carton, Garcia and Lewis allows for them to be there in these games. And if we are bringing up Myron and Galen, they lost Brendan Bailey who was expected to be a leader on this years team, too, and probably the leading scorer (at least before they brought in Carton). Their losses are over the course of multiple years, while ours were one offseason (which by the way I said gave his claim credit and actually defended Ewing, but I'm sure you didn't read that and just willingly misinterpreted my post to prove a point) which made it easier on Wojo. And I love Allen, but by one of the top PGs are you talking in the conference? Because I'm sorry but I'm taking McKnight, Howard, Zegarowski, Moore, Gillespie and Baldwin over him. Allen was very useful for our team and he did everything we needed him to, but those guys were/are just excellent talents, too. Again, I think you are taking me giving credit to other people the wrong way. I think rather than me diminishing Ewing, you guys are diminishing what these other coaches have done. I am critical of Coach Ewing, but these instances you have chosen just aren't that. The Hauser's weren't even on last year's team. So how are you even clumping them in to the players that lost from last season.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 5, 2020 18:19:07 GMT -5
I agree the loss of the Hausers is a little apples and oranges to ours, but we did lose Akinjo, Leblanc, Gardner, and Alexander after only a handful of games, so it’s not like we really had them either last year once league play started.
The main narrative though is Marquette has seen at worst and equal amount talent leave their doors in the last 18 months while ours might be over the last 12 months, and they seem to have backfilled it a lot better than we have. The argument you can make is that next year’s Hoya class goes towards the replacement, and the midseason departures can’t really be addressed until the following recruiting cycle. It remains to be seen, but too early to say.
Fact is Marquette had shown you can lose a lot of talent and not have to endure multiple seasons at the bottom of the league.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 6, 2020 19:57:24 GMT -5
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