blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 11, 2020 14:36:01 GMT -5
Anyone see what Hoya 247 tweeted? Jahvon with a significantly better efficiency rating than Mac. Figures don’t lie......
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 11, 2020 17:23:46 GMT -5
Anyone see what Hoya 247 tweeted? Jahvon with a significantly better efficiency rating than Mac. Figures don’t lie...... I think we can all agree that we feel a whole lot better about Blair and McClung as our two starting guards next year than we did about two weeks ago.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Feb 11, 2020 18:15:23 GMT -5
Mac starting coach knows wh should start he sees everyone in practice everyday,he had Mac starting for a reason,my guess is Blair is a spark off the bench,so he wants that scoring off the bench.i think next year it probably be both starting unless they go with a three guard lineup which could be a option. Beard,mac,Blair,,Pickett,Wahab. You never know if we can get a solid grad transfer at wing. Then you probably won’t start the 2 freshman guards. Blair is a so.id guard and I am happy he will be back next year.we need all the players we have ad then some. Go Hoyas.
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 11, 2020 20:26:13 GMT -5
If healthy,they both need to play a lot! Do what it takes to WIN!
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 12, 2020 11:30:34 GMT -5
It's not either or. Glad they both will represent the Hoyas this year and next!!!!
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 12, 2020 12:14:45 GMT -5
Mac starting coach knows wh should start he sees everyone in practice everyday,he had Mac starting for a reason,my guess is Blair is a spark off the bench,so he wants that scoring off the bench.i think next year it probably be both starting unless they go with a three guard lineup which could be a option. Beard,mac,Blair,,Pickett,Wahab. You never know if we can get a solid grad transfer at wing. Then you probably won’t start the 2 freshman guards. Blair is a so.id guard and I am happy he will be back next year.we need all the players we have ad then some. Go Hoyas. Coach made a statement after his 1st breakout game. Something along the lines of, Bring that energy to practice.
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 12, 2020 17:10:11 GMT -5
I hope pat has to make that decision, ie both are healthy
And I hope whoever comes off bench doesn’t get annoyed / have feelings hurt. We need both to score for sure
Would anyone move Allen to bench?
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Post by kettlehill on Feb 12, 2020 17:58:21 GMT -5
No, no, no. Allen may be the most important player on the team. As to Mac/Blair, to me it doesn’t matter who starts: they should both get 30 minutes. Just as a fan, my impression is that those two are pretty tight, always supporting each other ( and looking for each other on the floor), so I don’t see any issues whoever starts. At this point, in this season, they know it’s about Ws. Period.
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 13, 2020 0:07:46 GMT -5
No, no, no. Allen may be the most important player on the team. As to Mac/Blair, to me it doesn’t matter who starts: they should both get 30 minutes. Just as a fan, my impression is that those two are pretty tight, always supporting each other ( and looking for each other on the floor), so I don’t see any issues whoever starts. At this point, in this season, they know it’s about Ws. Period. Only reason to consider is our slow starts... would put more fire power out there.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 13, 2020 9:15:27 GMT -5
No, no, no. Allen may be the most important player on the team. As to Mac/Blair, to me it doesn’t matter who starts: they should both get 30 minutes. Just as a fan, my impression is that those two are pretty tight, always supporting each other ( and looking for each other on the floor), so I don’t see any issues whoever starts. At this point, in this season, they know it’s about Ws. Period. Only reason to consider is our slow starts... would put more fire power out there. Regardless of who starts and ends up with the most minutes, there's also one common theme that exists in all these slow starts: we don't get stops. I don't care how much firepower we have on the floor at once, but if we don't stop giving up 15 points by the first TV timeout, we're not giving enough effort or scheming properly defensively to begin a game. Instead of going by our book and hard hedging / recovering out of man in the halfcourt to begin games, I would like to see us do something different on the defensive end to throw Butler off at the beginning. Maybe press. Maybe go zone. Maybe run a junk defense (box and 1?) for a possession or two just to throw them off. Blair has earned more minutes moving forward, and with the shortened rotation he will get them one way or another. To me, it's holding the other team to 4-6 pts by the first TV timeout that we need to be focusing on. Not whether or not we need to insert Blair into the starting lineup to give us a chance of staying even at 15 all at the 16 under.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 13, 2020 10:22:39 GMT -5
Blair has been huge since Mac got hurt and has carried the offense, but I am not sure if making him a starter is really needed or that important to him. With the small rotation of players the staff is using now, everyone is going to get lots of minutes. If Blair continues to play well and make shots then he will be on the floor at the end of games, because they will need him as offensive option, and that is what really matters.
Being a starer is a big deal to some guys, but I don't get the sense it is a huge deal to Blair. I think he just wants to play and get opportunities to help his team. He has dealt with inconsistent minutes for the last two years and he seems to have just kept working hard and waiting for his opportunity. The team could use for the entire roster to have that type of attitude!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2020 12:25:08 GMT -5
We basically have 120 minutes at what have become 3 guard spots. We have had 3 guards playing in the high 30's to 40 a game unless they have foul trouble. That wears you out over time. I don't think any of them will feel slighted "cutting back" to 30 minutes.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 15, 2020 8:00:55 GMT -5
We basically have 120 minutes at what have become 3 guard spots. We have had 3 guards playing in the high 30's to 40 a game unless they have foul trouble. That wears you out over time. I don't think any of them will feel slighted "cutting back" to 30 minutes. And who is taking those other 30 minutes? Are printing another guard with a 3D printer? They’re playing 40 mins a game because without Mac we have literally no one else to play.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 15, 2020 9:22:44 GMT -5
I think he means when Mac comes back.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 15, 2020 9:54:37 GMT -5
Yes. The whole thread is about Jahvon starting when Mac comes back.
Well, maybe not the WHOLE thread.😉
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 15, 2020 11:08:51 GMT -5
We basically have 120 minutes at what have become 3 guard spots. We have had 3 guards playing in the high 30's to 40 a game unless they have foul trouble. That wears you out over time. I don't think any of them will feel slighted "cutting back" to 30 minutes. And who is taking those other 30 minutes? Are printing another guard with a 3D printer? They’re playing 40 mins a game because without Mac we have literally no one else to play. Jahvon was only getting 21 minutes in the BE while Mac is getting 33 when Mac is healthy. Everyone keeps saying their are plenty of minutes and they are right but Blair doesn’t get enough of them. Pat even said himself Blair complained about his playing time before Mac went down. Of course he’s not complaining now as he has to play 40 and probably wouldn’t mind sitting 5 a game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 11:28:15 GMT -5
And who is taking those other 30 minutes? Are printing another guard with a 3D printer? They’re playing 40 mins a game because without Mac we have literally no one else to play. Jahvon was only getting 21 minutes in the BE while Mac is getting 33 when Mac is healthy. Everyone keeps saying their are plenty of minutes and they are right but Blair doesn’t get enough of them. Pat even said himself Blair complained about his playing time before Mac went down. Of course he’s not complaining now as he has to play 40 and probably wouldn’t mind sitting 5 a game. You basically have 160 minutes between 5 players. That breaks down to 32 minutes per kid. Even if you're going to say it's 4 for 120 minutes that breaks down to 30 minutes per kid. Why do you keep presenting this like it's Mac taking Buggy's minutes when Mac is basically at the average if you split this up evenly? Jagan is at 38, and Allen is at 34 for instance. It's not a Mac vs Blair thing. I also think you're misquoting Pat, or taking his comments out of context. He's been saying this line about Jahvon since the 4 guys transferred out. It's continued in BE play, but I believe he was talking about him complaining about minutes when he was only getting a handful of them, not since that event occurred.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 15, 2020 13:20:42 GMT -5
Jahvon was only getting 21 minutes in the BE while Mac is getting 33 when Mac is healthy. Everyone keeps saying their are plenty of minutes and they are right but Blair doesn’t get enough of them. Pat even said himself Blair complained about his playing time before Mac went down. Of course he’s not complaining now as he has to play 40 and probably wouldn’t mind sitting 5 a game. You basically have 160 minutes between 5 players. That breaks down to 32 minutes per kid. Even if you're going to say it's 4 for 120 minutes that breaks down to 30 minutes per kid. Why do you keep presenting this like it's Mac taking Buggy's minutes when Mac is basically at the average if you split this up evenly? Jagan is at 38, and Allen is at 34 for instance. It's not a Mac vs Blair thing. I also think you're misquoting Pat, or taking his comments out of context. He's been saying this line about Jahvon since the 4 guys transferred out. It's continued in BE play, but I believe he was talking about him complaining about minutes when he was only getting a handful of them, not since that event occurred. Mac and Jahvon are battling for the same minutes. Even you have to admit that. That is not to say that they will equal 40 minutes. There is basically 120 minutes for 4 guys. Allen essentially has no backup so him getting 34+ is a given. My whole point is that Mac has done noting to deserve 12 more minutes per game than Jahvon. If anything they should be switched. Pat made that quote after the St Johns game. Tell me how I am misinterpreting this.
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Post by DudeSlade on Feb 15, 2020 13:27:28 GMT -5
Allen is our only real PG and Pat trusts Jagan to run the show when Allen needs a breather. They also are our 2 best defensive guards. That men’s those 2 can play all 3 guard spots, whereas Mac & Blair can play the 2 off-ball spots. Now if through this injury adversity, Pat believes either guy could play on-ball, then it gives them more potential minutes.
I think Blair has shown he deserves more minutes than he was getting pre-Mac injury, but that is predicated on feeling they can play Allen a little less and that one of the other 3 can play on-ball more. Jagan has the mentality for it, but doesn’t have as strong of skills for PG. Mac has more of the skills (handles, passing ability), but has very much a gunner’s mentality. The other option is that Jagan plays less, but Pat sees him as the glue guy and our best defender. Hard to find more minutes for Blair or Mac if they don’t play on-ball or get better on defense.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 15, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -5
The box score says he only had 16 today, which is down from his post-Mac average. But I think Tim Brando gave him credit for three of Allen’s triples, so I guess he was right in target with 25.
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