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Post by hoyaduck on Feb 5, 2020 10:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2020 13:09:33 GMT -5
As if we needed another reminder that his spectre looms over the entire program nearly 25 years after his last significant accomplishment on the court.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 5, 2020 15:25:11 GMT -5
People seriously are upset at this tee-shirt promotion for the patriarch of the program? Amazing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 5, 2020 15:42:54 GMT -5
We won championship 36 years ago. In 36 years most who witnessed the victory will be dead. ☹️
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2020 17:39:38 GMT -5
People seriously are upset at this tee-shirt promotion for the patriarch of the program? Amazing. Not upset - just feel it's unnecessary. At this point, the Thompson legacy amonot close followers of the program is as much about pulling the program back into the past than about the glorious run that he led in the mid-70s to lste-80s. I can't be alone in my frustration with the situation. But maybe I am. And the T-shirt, which in a vacuum is a fine idea, is also a reminder of the undue influence the man continies to wield over the struggling program.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 5, 2020 17:51:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can get the kente cloth tie. That would rock!
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 5, 2020 18:12:05 GMT -5
People seriously are upset at this tee-shirt promotion for the patriarch of the program? Amazing. Not upset - just feel it's unnecessary. At this point, the Thompson legacy amonot close followers of the program is as much about pulling the program back into the past than about the glorious run that he led in the mid-70s to lste-80s. I can't be alone in my frustration with the situation. But maybe I am. And the T-shirt, which in a vacuum is a fine idea, is also a reminder of the undue influence the man continies to wield over the struggling program. http://instagram.com/p/B8M9aNOJUTT
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 5, 2020 18:50:21 GMT -5
Not upset - just feel it's unnecessary. At this point, the Thompson legacy among close followers of the program is as much about pulling the program back into the past than about the glorious run that he led in the mid-70s to lste-80s. I can't be alone in my frustration with the situation. But maybe I am. And the T-shirt, which in a vacuum is a fine idea, is also a reminder of the undue influence the man continues to wield over the struggling program. I understand the concern. At a time where this program is at its lowest point in nearly a half century, the basketball office isn't selling the future, but the past.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 5, 2020 20:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by Omega on Feb 5, 2020 23:53:41 GMT -5
Do you have the same feelings about all the other icons around campus, or is there something different about this one?
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Post by Omega on Feb 6, 2020 0:02:56 GMT -5
As if we needed another reminder that his spectre looms over the entire program nearly 25 years after his last significant accomplishment on the court. Um why are u upset, there are many specters looming around campus that are older, do u take issue with those as well or is these something different about this?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 6, 2020 0:47:31 GMT -5
I understand the concern. At a time where this program is at its lowest point in nearly a half century, the basketball office isn't selling the future, but the past. It would seem appropriate to be selling the past on a tshirt for black history month. I get your point, but seems like poor timing for you to be making that point.
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Post by guru on Feb 6, 2020 0:57:15 GMT -5
As if we needed another reminder that his spectre looms over the entire program nearly 25 years after his last significant accomplishment on the court. Um why are u upset, there are many specters looming around campus that are older, do u take issue with those as well or is these something different about this? What a ridiculous response. What I find frustrating is the continued backwards-looking stance of the program, and the athletic dept. it is true that JT Jr. built the program from nothing to the highest peak. It’s also true that he has overseen the long, slow descent into the perennially losing program it is today. The shirt is actually pretty cool however.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 6, 2020 4:21:15 GMT -5
The shirt looks awesome, but I get what posters are saying. The shirt is also a reminder of how far we have fallen and how long ago we were good. It’s for Black History Month. It’s cool to celebrate JT2 while he’s around to see it.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 6, 2020 5:25:29 GMT -5
Can someone give me a hand with these deck chairs?
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Post by njhoyalawya on Feb 6, 2020 8:24:23 GMT -5
People seriously are upset at this tee-shirt promotion for the patriarch of the program? Amazing. Not upset - just feel it's unnecessary. At this point, the Thompson legacy amonot close followers of the program is as much about pulling the program back into the past than about the glorious run that he led in the mid-70s to lste-80s. I can't be alone in my frustration with the situation. But maybe I am. And the T-shirt, which in a vacuum is a fine idea, is also a reminder of the undue influence the man continies to wield over the struggling program. Wasn't the timing of this t-shirt in relation to Black History Month? He is part of that history, and I find it appropriate to recognize that from here on out. Why wouldn't we? As an aside, there is a growing group of younger fans banding together on social media in support of our program. Some current students have grouped together with high schoolers (even beyond the DC area), and they are on a mission to help secure recruits and send positive messages to the current players. They WANT these t-shirts, even though these kids probably were not even a thought in their parents' minds in the 80s. I believe the first recruit these kids started with was Tyler Beard, encouraging him through social media postings to pick Georgetown. Beard did reference being surprised by the fan base, which just fueled these young kids' fire. They are now onto MAM. So, while many feel that the program is getting stale and needs a new direction, this is showing me that some traction is being made and the program is starting to connect with the younger generation. At the same time that many "older" fans are making negative posts on twitter, these kids on Instagram are staying positive and looking towards what the future could hold. And they like PE. There have been unexpected bumps in the road, but there is hope that we are still heading in the right direction.
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Post by guru on Feb 6, 2020 9:10:32 GMT -5
Not upset - just feel it's unnecessary. At this point, the Thompson legacy amonot close followers of the program is as much about pulling the program back into the past than about the glorious run that he led in the mid-70s to lste-80s. I can't be alone in my frustration with the situation. But maybe I am. And the T-shirt, which in a vacuum is a fine idea, is also a reminder of the undue influence the man continies to wield over the struggling program. Wasn't the timing of this t-shirt in relation to Black History Month? He is part of that history, and I find it appropriate to recognize that from here on out. Why wouldn't we? As an aside, there is a growing group of younger fans banding together on social media in support of our program. Some current students have grouped together with high schoolers (even beyond the DC area), and they are on a mission to help secure recruits and send positive messages to the current players. They WANT these t-shirts, even though these kids probably were not even a thought in their parents' minds in the 80s. I believe the first recruit these kids started with was Tyler Beard, encouraging him through social media postings to pick Georgetown. Beard did reference being surprised by the fan base, which just fueled these young kids' fire. They are now onto MAM. So, while many feel that the program is getting stale and needs a new direction, this is showing me that some traction is being made and the program is starting to connect with the younger generation. At the same time that many "older" fans are making negative posts on twitter, these kids on Instagram are staying positive and looking towards what the future could hold. And they like PE. There have been unexpected bumps in the road, but there is hope that we are still heading in the right direction. This is good to hear. I didn't mean to start a maelstrom over the shirts. Obviously, I am a huge JT Jr. fan. He gave me and all of us on here some of the great sports-fan moments of our lives. It's certainly appropriate to honor him in this way, especially given that it's Black History Month. That said, it's also emblematic of a program that is constantly looking backwards. If we were simply honoring the man who built our program as a one-off promo, that's one thing. But it's also a reminder of how difficult it has been to move on from that era, and create new success. And part of what has held us back is the stranglehold he still has on the program and its direction. Gratifying to hear of a surge in young fans - this certainly has not been evident at most games this season, but I trust your take on that.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Feb 6, 2020 9:26:00 GMT -5
Wasn't the timing of this t-shirt in relation to Black History Month? He is part of that history, and I find it appropriate to recognize that from here on out. Why wouldn't we? As an aside, there is a growing group of younger fans banding together on social media in support of our program. Some current students have grouped together with high schoolers (even beyond the DC area), and they are on a mission to help secure recruits and send positive messages to the current players. They WANT these t-shirts, even though these kids probably were not even a thought in their parents' minds in the 80s. I believe the first recruit these kids started with was Tyler Beard, encouraging him through social media postings to pick Georgetown. Beard did reference being surprised by the fan base, which just fueled these young kids' fire. They are now onto MAM. So, while many feel that the program is getting stale and needs a new direction, this is showing me that some traction is being made and the program is starting to connect with the younger generation. At the same time that many "older" fans are making negative posts on twitter, these kids on Instagram are staying positive and looking towards what the future could hold. And they like PE. There have been unexpected bumps in the road, but there is hope that we are still heading in the right direction. This is good to hear. I didn't mean to start a maelstrom over the shirts. Obviously, I am a huge JT Jr. fan. He gave me and all of us on here some of the great sports-fan moments of our lives. It's certainly appropriate to honor him in this way, especially given that it's Black History Month. That said, it's also emblematic of a program that is constantly looking backwards. If we were simply honoring the man who built our program as a one-off promo, that's one thing. But it's also a reminder of how difficult it has been to move on from that era, and create new success. And part of what has held us back is the stranglehold he still has on the program and its direction. Gratifying to hear of a surge in young fans - this certainly has not been evident at most games this season, but I trust your take on that. Unfortunately, not all of the young fans can make the games -- there are kids from well outside the DC area. But they are doing their part on social media, which is a good thing! I know it seems like we look back quite a bit -- but it's in reference to restoring some of the prominence of the 80s. Aside from that, it is clear to me that PE is his own man, and his brand of basketball looks a lot different than that of his coach of the 80s. If he was coaching at a different school, I don't think anyone would be accusing him of living in the past or at the direction of Coach Thompson. He will always have a piece of Coach Thompson in him; after all, he was his coach. But, PE also has been influenced by his coaches and mentors in the NBA.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 6, 2020 10:20:39 GMT -5
But it is tough to get excited about any aspect of the fan base when we just had our smallest home Big East game crowd since the days when home games were played at McDonough. And we were playing the #1 team in the conference.
The fans who did come out last night were pretty engaged, but drawing less than 5,000 for significant Big East games is not an indicator of a healthy program
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 6, 2020 10:28:37 GMT -5
But it is tough to get excited about any aspect of the fan base when we just had our smallest home Big East game crowd since the days when home games were played at McDonough. And we were playing the #1 team in the conference. The fans who did come out last night were pretty engaged, but drawing less than 5,000 for significant Big East games is not an indicator of a healthy program As has been posted elsewhere, attendance is reported as 7,032 which is well over 5,000. www.guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2019-20/seton-hall/boxscore/14447
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