Brandon Murray 2020 to LSU, transfer to Georgetown

[Bigs"R"Us]

I’d hate to let this get away from us. Talented local kid.

[kettlehill]

The kid is built like a running back.

[bostonfan]

Feb 11, 2020 0:04:35 GMT -5 madhoya said:

Looks like Murray is starting to collect some bigger name offers in the last few days. Does anyone have any insights into how his recruitment has been going up until the last few weeks? Was he associated with any specific programs? Was he holding out and hoping for some power 5 offers? Has he ever expressed any interest in Georgetown on his social media?

He looks like a good player and is certainly playing really well of late, but this is a case of the Hoyas getting involved late (not really too involved yet as they still have not offered) so it is hard to gauge if he would even be interested if the Hoyas made an offer. It worked with Beard so maybe there is a chance. You can never have too many good shooters

[lucky]

We have offered Kerwin Walton, roughly same size and similar skill sets. Maybe that is why we haven't offered here yet.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Murray is a shooter and Walton is not. Need shooters!

[trillesthoya]

Feb 11, 2020 9:28:19 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Murray is a shooter and Walton is not. Need shooters!

Walton is very much a shooter.

[bostonfan]

Feb 11, 2020 9:39:16 GMT -5 trillesthoya said:

Feb 11, 2020 9:28:19 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Murray is a shooter and Walton is not. Need shooters!

Walton is very much a shooter.

Walton is considered a big time high school shooter. That is supposed to be his biggest strength. 

The Hoya staff is not the only program that wasn't all over Murray until the last few weeks. If I am correct I don't think he had any power 5 offers until recently, so I don't think they were slow playing him, anymore than any other program was. 

While I would like to see the program pull in more of the guys they target, I think one of the things they have done a good job of is identifying talent. They have not always been able to close the deal on the players but they seem to find some quality guys, and often before the other big time programs get involved.

I hope it works out with the Murray kid because it would be good to develop some traction in the Baltimore market for future players, but I am sure there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than any of us know about.

[AshantiCooksBurner]

Feb 11, 2020 9:11:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

We have offered Kerwin Walton, roughly same size and similar skill sets. Maybe that is why we haven't offered here yet.

We have room and PT for both next year.. unfortunately. 

[madgesiq92]

Feb 11, 2020 9:28:19 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Murray is a shooter and Walton is not. Need shooters!

Walton is an elite shooter and is a no brainer if we can get. I just don't know how realistic he is. We haven't shown ability to win recruiting battles like we would need to for Walton. We would be Murray's best offer.

[RBHoya]

Feb 11, 2020 9:25:01 GMT -5 NCHoya said:

This is everything that is wrong with Pat's recruiting strategy. He is late getting in and still trying to chase a Top 100 kid from Minnesota, Kerwin Walton, who has big time established offers from the Big 10 and Pac 12. Meanwhile, he slow plays a local recruit that will likely go to a Power 5 school and be a contributor. Is Walton better, probably, but you need to view everything through a lens of reality and program fit. Repeating a familiar mistake of bringing in another recruit with no ties to the area, or even the east coast, is getting old.

With the caveat that we are all largely speculating, I tend to agree with this. Honestly, what is the case for investing time in Kerwin Walton? His offer list is long and impressive (UNC, Arizona, Kansas, hometown Minnesota, etc.). We are nowhere near the most prestigious team on the list based on our performance over the last decade or so, we are not in the same region he grew up in, and we haven't cultivated a relationship for any real length of time since we are the latest of the major programs to offer. Unless his dad played with Robert Kirby or something, tough to see how we'd positively differentiate ourselves in this recruitment. Occasionally "shooting your shot" for kids who the big boys are after is fine, but I feel like we see this time and again. As Pat flies around the country chasing 5 star kids who could literally choose anywhere in the country to play (which he was doing last night), local kids who are one step down from that get less attention than they could/should have gotten.

Everybody was sleeping on Murray coming into this year, so I don't object to not finding him sooner. But at this point it's clear he's legit, and we had a good chance to be the first high major to offer him (or at least the second after Depaul). Given the geographic proximity and the potential for some minutes early on, it really would have seemed like a natural fit for both sides. But it seems like we're taking our time here and now 2 high major programs in VA Tech and Ole Miss have beaten us to offering. Plenty of others may catch on soon too. So now, we've lost the first mover advantage. It would seem like if we offered today we could still be pretty formidable, but if we're being honest with ourselves there's not THAT much to differentiate us from other high major schools like those, given that we have very little to point to in terms of on-court success and getting players to the NBA in recent years. Someone earlier in the thread postulated that maybe our staff is waiting to see if other high majors get involved before they offer. Honestly, we are nowhere near good enough for that right now. If you're Duke or Kentucky, sure. If you're Villanova or Maryland, maybe. But us? We can't rely on the Georgetown brand to give us the clout needed to make up ground later. That has dissipated almost completely in the eyes of today's high schoolers. We need to recognize where we are as a program and recruit like it until our results are good enough to change perception.

Anyway, retract all of this if they are just doing standard diligence/background checking on Murray and the offer comes soon, or if there is some other major issue I'm unaware of. But on the surface we seem to have offered kids like Jermontae Hill, Seryee Lewis, Kobe Clark and (maybe?) Silas Mason in recent weeks, and if we did that it'll be mindblowing to me if we don't offer Murray as well.

[adm1hoya]

Feb 11, 2020 9:11:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

We have offered Kerwin Walton, roughly same size and similar skill sets. Maybe that is why we haven't offered here yet.

Walton and Murray are similar style players sans ranking and offers. Walton will be a tough get, as he has numerous P5 offers. You offer both and except who pops first. Take them both if you are lucky.

[LCPolo18]

Feb 11, 2020 9:25:01 GMT -5 NCHoya said:

This is everything that is wrong with Pat's recruiting strategy. He is late getting in and still trying to chase a Top 100 kid from Minnesota, Kerwin Walton, who has big time established offers from the Big 10 and Pac 12. Meanwhile, he slow plays a local recruit that will likely go to a Power 5 school and be a contributor. Is Walton better, probably, but you need to view everything through a lens of reality and program fit. Repeating a familiar mistake of bringing in another recruit with no ties to the area, or even the east coast, is getting old.

You're making a lot of assumptions here. I'm not sure how you can say Coach Ewing's recruiting strategy is to slow play non-top 100 recruits. The recruitment of Dante Harris shows that he's not afraid to give a scholarship offer and take a commitment of an unranked player if he likes that player enough. Coach Ewing has given out around 70 offers in the 2020 class. I'm pretty surprised Murray didn't get an offer Saturday night since that's the typical pattern, so we'll see where things end up. Poly is playing again tonight so it'll be interesting if someone from the coaching staff is there again.

[AshantiCooksBurner]

Feb 11, 2020 10:48:54 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Feb 11, 2020 9:25:01 GMT -5 NCHoya said:

This is everything that is wrong with Pat's recruiting strategy. He is late getting in and still trying to chase a Top 100 kid from Minnesota, Kerwin Walton, who has big time established offers from the Big 10 and Pac 12. Meanwhile, he slow plays a local recruit that will likely go to a Power 5 school and be a contributor. Is Walton better, probably, but you need to view everything through a lens of reality and program fit. Repeating a familiar mistake of bringing in another recruit with no ties to the area, or even the east coast, is getting old.

With the caveat that we are all largely speculating, I tend to agree with this. Honestly, what is the case for investing time in Kerwin Walton? His offer list is long and impressive (UNC, Arizona, Kansas, hometown Minnesota, etc.). We are nowhere near the most prestigious team on the list based on our performance over the last decade or so, we are not in the same region he grew up in, and we haven't cultivated a relationship for any real length of time since we are the latest of the major programs to offer. Unless his dad played with Robert Kirby or something, tough to see how we'd positively differentiate ourselves in this recruitment. Occasionally "shooting your shot" for kids who the big boys are after is fine, but I feel like we see this time and again. As Pat flies around the country chasing 5 star kids who could literally choose anywhere in the country to play (which he was doing last night), local kids who are one step down from that get less attention than they could/should have gotten.

Everybody was sleeping on Murray coming into this year, so I don't object to not finding him sooner. But at this point it's clear he's legit, and we had a good chance to be the first high major to offer him (or at least the second after Depaul). Given the geographic proximity and the potential for some minutes early on, it really would have seemed like a natural fit for both sides. But it seems like we're taking our time here and now 2 high major programs in VA Tech and Ole Miss have beaten us to offering. Plenty of others may catch on soon too. So now, we've lost the first mover advantage. It would seem like if we offered today we could still be pretty formidable, but if we're being honest with ourselves there's not THAT much to differentiate us from other high major schools like those, given that we have very little to point to in terms of on-court success and getting players to the NBA in recent years. Someone earlier in the thread postulated that maybe our staff is waiting to see if other high majors get involved before they offer. Honestly, we are nowhere near good enough for that right now. If you're Duke or Kentucky, sure. If you're Villanova or Maryland, maybe. But us? We can't rely on the Georgetown brand to give us the clout needed to make up ground later. That has dissipated almost completely in the eyes of today's high schoolers. We need to recognize where we are as a program and recruit like it until our results are good enough to change perception.

Anyway, retract all of this if they are just doing standard diligence/background checking on Murray and the offer comes soon, or if there is some other major issue I'm unaware of. But on the surface we seem to have offered kids like Jermontae Hill, Seryee Lewis, Kobe Clark and (maybe?) Silas Mason in recent weeks, and if we did that it'll be mindblowing to me if we don't offer Murray as well.

Completely agreed with all of this. Hill, Lewis, Clark, Mason all seem like similar guys to Murray and not local. If anything, Murray is the best of the bunch from what I've seen. Did VT officially offer? I haven't seen that anywhere

[Deleted]

Showing love is more important than a scholarship offer. Let's see how it plays out before losing our minds.

Obviously you need to formally offer before a kid can say yes, but Beard didn't get an offer until a week before he committed.

[Deleted]

[madhoya]

[Omega]

Y'all are out of your minds, insulting and ungreatful. Ewing and staff have been turning over every rock looking for players. Ewing has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent.

Yet some of you wanna question him and his staff. When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting? If a talented player list you on his short list, then yes, you absolutely continue to pursue him. What choice do you have? Oh look player X listed us in his top five, but we never get those players so we will stop pursuing him and go after someone else.

[DFW HOYA]

Feb 11, 2020 12:58:15 GMT -5 Omega said:

Y'all are out of your minds, insulting and ungreatful. Ewing and staff have been turning over every rock looking for players. Ewing has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent.

Yet some of you wanna question him and his staff. When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting?

25 years is a reach. In a three year period from 2006 to 2008 JT3 recruited four Top 35 players. He's certainly trying but Ewing hasn't come close to any Top 30 signees.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Ewing is busting his butt on the recruiting trail. I love the effort!

[EtomicB]

Feb 11, 2020 13:13:28 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Feb 11, 2020 12:58:15 GMT -5 Omega said:

Y'all are out of your minds, insulting and ungreatful. Ewing and staff have been turning over every rock looking for players. Ewing has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent.

Yet some of you wanna question him and his staff. When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting?

25 years is a reach. In a three year period from 2006 to 2008 JT3 recruited four Top 35 players. He's certainly trying but Ewing hasn't come close to any Top 30 signees.

DFW can you or DanMcQ move Omega post to the Moussa Cisse thread looks to me like he posted his response in the wrong thread...

There's no need to derail this thread with an off-topic conversation...