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Post by Omega on Feb 11, 2020 14:04:37 GMT -5
This is very disturbing. Coach Ewing (not Pat) is a fighter, the same determination he put into this year's team is the same determination he uses in recruiting. If you don't believe you can compete with the big boys, then why even be in this business. Many of you are using loser speak.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 11, 2020 14:11:58 GMT -5
When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting? Our 2007-2008 team had 3 McDonalds All-Americans coming off the bench, and at the end of the season we beat out Duke for Greg Monroe, the No. 8 player in country. |
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Post by s4hoyas on Feb 11, 2020 14:25:13 GMT -5
I believe that I read somewhere earlier (if not likely a good idea) that the entire coaching staff has to see a prospect play at least once live before an offer is extended...if so, it could be interesting to see who goes tonight relative to PE and others who went for the first time Sat. night...if this is the case, I think its very sound strategy...
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Post by IDenj on Feb 11, 2020 14:40:34 GMT -5
This is very disturbing. Coach Ewing (not Pat) is a fighter, the same determination he put into this year's team is the same determination he uses in recruiting. If you don't believe you can compete with the big boys, then why even be in this business. Many of you are using loser speak. I’m a fan of Pat and feel he needs to be given more time to develop as a college coach and shape the program. However in the world of recruiting, if you want to boil it down to winners and losers, he’s a loser. His main targets from spring and summer generally don’t sign with Georgetown. And while it’s commendable to be on the list of top 25 kids and be close in their recruitment, if you don’t land them, you’ve lost. |
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Post by Filo on Feb 11, 2020 14:46:22 GMT -5
This is very disturbing. Coach Ewing (not Pat) is a fighter, the same determination he put into this year's team is the same determination he uses in recruiting. If you don't believe you can compete with the big boys, then why even be in this business. Many of you are using loser speak. I’m a fan of Pat and feel he needs to be given more time to develop as a college coach and shape the program. However in the world of recruiting, if you want to boil it down to winners and losers, he’s a loser. His main targets from spring and summer generally don’t sign with Georgetown. And while it’s commendable to be on the list of top 25 kids and be close in their recruitment, if you don’t land them, you’ve lost. Fortunately, rational people don't really need to view a lot of things - like recruiting - in strict black-and-white and then assign some inane pejorative classification system. In other words, we don't have to "boil it down" and call our coach a loser. But you go right ahead. SMH. |
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Feb 11, 2020 14:52:45 GMT -5
This is very disturbing. Coach Ewing (not Pat) is a fighter, the same determination he put into this year's team is the same determination he uses in recruiting. If you don't believe you can compete with the big boys, then why even be in this business. Many of you are using loser speak. I’m a fan of Pat and feel he needs to be given more time to develop as a college coach and shape the program. However in the world of recruiting, if you want to boil it down to winners and losers, he’s a loser. His main targets from spring and summer generally don’t sign with Georgetown. And while it’s commendable to be on the list of top 25 kids and be close in their recruitment, if you don’t land them, you’ve lost. He won against good competition for Akinjo, Leblanc, Wahab, Sibley, and Gardner. Recruiting has not been the problem. It's development and keeping the guys in the program. |
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Post by seaweed on Feb 11, 2020 19:16:24 GMT -5
You're making a lot of assumptions here. I'm not sure how you can say Coach Ewing's recruiting strategy is to slow play non-top 100 recruits. The recruitment of Dante Harris shows that he's not afraid to give a scholarship offer and take a commitment of an unranked player if he likes that player enough. Coach Ewing has given out around 70 offers in the 2020 class. I'm pretty surprised Murray didn't get an offer Saturday night since that's the typical pattern, so we'll see where things end up. Poly is playing again tonight so it'll be interesting if someone from the coaching staff is there again. My last post is more a frustration with the late in the game recruitment of guys from outside the area that we have little prior connection to or unique to offer, versus spending that time scouring the local area for talent and making connections. Connections that could have led us to be the first to realize Murray was worth an offer. This instance just seems like a very applicable example of my main concerns about what I see from our recruiting. To be clear, I never question Ewing's work ethic or passion to do all he can for Georgetown, I question if he is using his limited amount of recruiting time in the best way possible. We have plenty to offer guys whether they are local or national. World class practice facility, playing in a pro arena, NBA legend HC. nBA teams on campus practicing, all games on national TV, all of DC and all the things that make GU special. Stop the loser talk about “we can only get the dregs” cause we don’t offer anything special - the kids who are going to take us back to the final four will come here despite a self-loathing fan base that degrades the program every chance they get. |
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Post by IDenj on Feb 11, 2020 19:33:25 GMT -5
I’m a fan of Pat and feel he needs to be given more time to develop as a college coach and shape the program. However in the world of recruiting, if you want to boil it down to winners and losers, he’s a loser. His main targets from spring and summer generally don’t sign with Georgetown. And while it’s commendable to be on the list of top 25 kids and be close in their recruitment, if you don’t land them, you’ve lost. Fortunately, rational people don't really need to view a lot of things - like recruiting - in strict black-and-white and then assign some inane pejorative classification system. In other words, we don't have to "boil it down" and call our coach a loser. But you go right ahead. SMH. I think you missed the point on that one. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 11, 2020 23:27:55 GMT -5
Murray is a shooter and Walton is not. Need shooters! Walton is very much a shooter. My bad, mixed up players. Would love both kids. Never enough shooters. |
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Post by madhoya on Feb 12, 2020 0:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Feb 12, 2020 5:17:51 GMT -5
Offered by Virginia Tech
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 12, 2020 13:42:47 GMT -5
Was anyone from the staff at his game last night? I have not seen any updates on Murray's game last night. How did it go?
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 12, 2020 14:32:08 GMT -5
We have plenty to offer guys whether they are local or national. World class practice facility, playing in a pro arena, NBA legend HC. nBA teams on campus practicing, all games on national TV, all of DC and all the things that make GU special. Stop the loser talk about “we can only get the dregs” cause we don’t offer anything special - the kids who are going to take us back to the final four will come here despite a self-loathing fan base that degrades the program every chance they get. Where did I write "we can only get the dregs"? I do not mind if you disagree with my opinion, but be relevant to my post especially if you are going to mis-quote it. My post was about prioritizing and building relationships with local BE level recruits/programs versus flying across the country and dropping offers on kids late in the process. If you see the latter as a good use of time that is fine, but it is not "loser" talk to want to focus on DMV recruits. But it is. Confident programs are open to recruiting anywhere and everywhwre. Obviously not blindly, but if you’re suggesting the staff is less aware then you are of their recruiting strategy and that we need to play things more safe is not only self deprecating loser talk, but it’s asinine. It’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s another to talk out of turn about a situation ou know very little about... I, for one, really appreciate you pushing back Omega. This fan base can’t have nice things and our fans get in the way of developing a positive program perception way more than they realize. Our current and potential future players and their families read this board regularly. I don’t know how many times that has to be said around here for that point to get through. Words matter! To spell it out, you think Omer (or any other 5 star) would be more willing to come back if we were a little more appreciate in these parts of his contributions as a 5 star prospect (yes, Ewing pulled a 5 star for the willingly ignorant of you) instead of focusing on what he can’t do at every turn? Even if you think it doesn’t make an impact, it’s reasonable to concede that even if it only influences his decision by 1% then we shouldn’t be shooting ourselves in the foot because a few handfuls of posters feel a constant need to be the smartest person in the room by coming to premature conclusions about the state of play and grabbing the low hanging fruit of being overly critical just so hey can swing around and say “hah, i was right!”. Newsflash, we don’t play in a vacuum. Sports are challenging. Of course taking the position of glass half full will come to fruition more often than positive predictions. That’s not hard to do. A broken clock... And certainly hyperbole doesn’t help. Only middle schoolers use hyperbole to get their point across. I see the word “obvious” thrown around here so often by people who clearly don’t know the definition of he word. And plenty of people saying here is “zero chance” of this and that......it’s exhausting to read so much self aggrandizing garbage and things have only gotten worse over he last 5-10 years on this board and the players’ families notice as well. We have a very small pool of fan sites and fan content in relation to most programs, that means that everything discussed here and on casulhoya are put under a magnifying glass, for those that need it spelled out... I’m not saying you have to have had experience in the ncaa recruiting world to post authoritatively on the recruiting board, but how about deferring to the opinions of those that actually play in these circles? Again, opinions are fine and all, but why create an echo chamber of speculation that lacks any real substance when we can be patient and learn from those who are speaking from a place of fact rather than just guessing? And for the record, in speaking to Brandon about 10 days ago he said he’d absolutely be interested in considering playing for Ewing if they showed him love. Seems they are starting to. Relationships like this are best when they happen organically, I know it’s been a frustrating season for many but we must be patient.....there are a lot of other things that need to happen between now and the summer to change the dynamic in a more favorable way. Think Lebron during NBA free agency. Hat chip needs to fall before the others start falling into place. Modern recruiting is only becoming a more drawn out process and the staff will have ample opportunities to entice potential contributors. Not to mention, the previous poster wasn’t actually quoting you so he didn’t “mis-quote” you. It takes 5 more seconds to better comprehend what you’re reading. It helps. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 12, 2020 15:03:41 GMT -5
I could be wrong, I thought Poly beat Douglas 68-25 last night. Murray plays more limited minutes in blowouts.
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Post by junior on Feb 12, 2020 16:29:02 GMT -5
Where did I write "we can only get the dregs"? I do not mind if you disagree with my opinion, but be relevant to my post especially if you are going to mis-quote it. My post was about prioritizing and building relationships with local BE level recruits/programs versus flying across the country and dropping offers on kids late in the process. If you see the latter as a good use of time that is fine, but it is not "loser" talk to want to focus on DMV recruits. But it is. Confident programs are open to recruiting anywhere and everywhwre. Obviously not blindly, but if you’re suggesting the staff is less aware then you are of their recruiting strategy and that we need to play things more safe is not only self deprecating loser talk, but it’s asinine. It’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s another to talk out of turn about a situation ou know very little about... I, for one, really appreciate you pushing back Omega. This fan base can’t have nice things and our fans get in the way of developing a positive program perception way more than they realize. Our current and potential future players and their families read this board regularly. I don’t know how many times that has to be said around here for that point to get through. Words matter! To spell it out, you think Omer (or any other 5 star) would be more willing to come back if we were a little more appreciate in these parts of his contributions as a 5 star prospect (yes, Ewing pulled a 5 star for the willingly ignorant of you) instead of focusing on what he can’t do at every turn? Even if you think it doesn’t make an impact, it’s reasonable to concede that even if it only influences his decision by 1% then we shouldn’t be shooting ourselves in the foot because a few handfuls of posters feel a constant need to be the smartest person in the room by coming to premature conclusions about the state of play and grabbing the low hanging fruit of being overly critical just so hey can swing around and say “hah, i was right!”. Newsflash, we don’t play in a vacuum. Sports are challenging. Of course taking the position of glass half full will come to fruition more often than positive predictions. That’s not hard to do. A broken clock... And certainly hyperbole doesn’t help. Only middle schoolers use hyperbole to get their point across. I see the word “obvious” thrown around here so often by people who clearly don’t know the definition of he word. And plenty of people saying here is “zero chance” of this and that......it’s exhausting to read so much self aggrandizing garbage and things have only gotten worse over he last 5-10 years on this board and the players’ families notice as well. We have a very small pool of fan sites and fan content in relation to most programs, that means that everything discussed here and on casulhoya are put under a magnifying glass, for those that need it spelled out... I’m not saying you have to have had experience in the ncaa recruiting world to post authoritatively on the recruiting board, but how about deferring to the opinions of those that actually play in these circles? Again, opinions are fine and all, but why create an echo chamber of speculation that lacks any real substance when we can be patient and learn from those who are speaking from a place of fact rather than just guessing? And for the record, in speaking to Brandon about 10 days ago he said he’d absolutely be interested in considering playing for Ewing if they showed him love. Seems they are starting to. Relationships like this are best when they happen organically, I know it’s been a frustrating season for many but we must be patient.....there are a lot of other things that need to happen between now and the summer to change the dynamic in a more favorable way. Think Lebron during NBA free agency. Hat chip needs to fall before the others start falling into place. Modern recruiting is only becoming a more drawn out process and the staff will have ample opportunities to entice potential contributors. Not to mention, the previous poster wasn’t actually quoting you so he didn’t “mis-quote” you. It takes 5 more seconds to better comprehend what you’re reading. It helps. I hear silence...appreciate your post! We as fans need to uplift our team. Go Hoyas! |
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 12, 2020 17:05:15 GMT -5
Y'all are out of your minds, insulting and ungreatful. Ewing and staff have been turning over every rock looking for players. Ewing has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent. Yet some of you wanna question him and his staff. When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting? If a talented player list you on his short list, then yes, you absolutely continue to pursue him. What choice do you have? Oh look player X listed us in his top five, but we never get those players so we will stop pursuing him and go after someone else. What are you talking about? We are as much an afterthought in recruiting as we have ever been. |
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Post by justsaying on Feb 12, 2020 17:48:10 GMT -5
Where did I write "we can only get the dregs"? I do not mind if you disagree with my opinion, but be relevant to my post especially if you are going to mis-quote it. My post was about prioritizing and building relationships with local BE level recruits/programs versus flying across the country and dropping offers on kids late in the process. If you see the latter as a good use of time that is fine, but it is not "loser" talk to want to focus on DMV recruits. But it is. Confident programs are open to recruiting anywhere and everywhwre. Obviously not blindly, but if you’re suggesting the staff is less aware then you are of their recruiting strategy and that we need to play things more safe is not only self deprecating loser talk, but it’s asinine. It’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s another to talk out of turn about a situation ou know very little about... I, for one, really appreciate you pushing back Omega. This fan base can’t have nice things and our fans get in the way of developing a positive program perception way more than they realize. Our current and potential future players and their families read this board regularly. I don’t know how many times that has to be said around here for that point to get through. Words matter! To spell it out, you think Omer (or any other 5 star) would be more willing to come back if we were a little more appreciate in these parts of his contributions as a 5 star prospect (yes, Ewing pulled a 5 star for the willingly ignorant of you) instead of focusing on what he can’t do at every turn? Even if you think it doesn’t make an impact, it’s reasonable to concede that even if it only influences his decision by 1% then we shouldn’t be shooting ourselves in the foot because a few handfuls of posters feel a constant need to be the smartest person in the room by coming to premature conclusions about the state of play and grabbing the low hanging fruit of being overly critical just so hey can swing around and say “hah, i was right!”. Newsflash, we don’t play in a vacuum. Sports are challenging. Of course taking the position of glass half full will come to fruition more often than positive predictions. That’s not hard to do. A broken clock... And certainly hyperbole doesn’t help. Only middle schoolers use hyperbole to get their point across. I see the word “obvious” thrown around here so often by people who clearly don’t know the definition of he word. And plenty of people saying here is “zero chance” of this and that......it’s exhausting to read so much self aggrandizing garbage and things have only gotten worse over he last 5-10 years on this board and the players’ families notice as well. We have a very small pool of fan sites and fan content in relation to most programs, that means that everything discussed here and on casulhoya are put under a magnifying glass, for those that need it spelled out... I’m not saying you have to have had experience in the ncaa recruiting world to post authoritatively on the recruiting board, but how about deferring to the opinions of those that actually play in these circles? Again, opinions are fine and all, but why create an echo chamber of speculation that lacks any real substance when we can be patient and learn from those who are speaking from a place of fact rather than just guessing? And for the record, in speaking to Brandon about 10 days ago he said he’d absolutely be interested in considering playing for Ewing if they showed him love. Seems they are starting to. Relationships like this are best when they happen organically, I know it’s been a frustrating season for many but we must be patient.....there are a lot of other things that need to happen between now and the summer to change the dynamic in a more favorable way. Think Lebron during NBA free agency. Hat chip needs to fall before the others start falling into place. Modern recruiting is only becoming a more drawn out process and the staff will have ample opportunities to entice potential contributors. Not to mention, the previous poster wasn’t actually quoting you so he didn’t “mis-quote” you. It takes 5 more seconds to better comprehend what you’re reading. It helps. Your thoughts are well appreciated here. Agree, It's almost like one is trying to tear down a house while someone else is trying to build it up for them. |
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 13, 2020 8:32:57 GMT -5
Y'all are out of your minds, insulting and ungreatful. Ewing and staff have been turning over every rock looking for players. Ewing has shown himself to be a good evaluator of talent. Yet some of you wanna question him and his staff. When in the last 25 years has GTown been this prominent in recruiting? If a talented player list you on his short list, then yes, you absolutely continue to pursue him. What choice do you have? Oh look player X listed us in his top five, but we never get those players so we will stop pursuing him and go after someone else. What are you talking about? We are as much an afterthought in recruiting as we have ever been. I believe you are incorrect!! There are more knowns than unknowns about this program now. The many unknowns and criticisms of Coach Ewing have proven to be unfounded, period. He has proven himself as coach, and he is a tireless recruiter. We just need to obtain a well-rounded corps of players who are competent and good students. I think coach only needs the players, he knows how to win. In my opinion, anyone who doesn't believe that has another agenda and is out to lunch! |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 13, 2020 12:01:18 GMT -5
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