calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jun 25, 2020 15:40:31 GMT -5
Just more bad news for the program.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jun 25, 2020 15:55:32 GMT -5
Nice knowing you.
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Jun 25, 2020 16:13:55 GMT -5
You can have your opinions, but please take the young man at face value. He said he will be a Hoya the Fall of 21'. Until he says otherwise, why speak ill?
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 16:33:44 GMT -5
You can have your opinions, but please take the young man at face value. He said he will be a Hoya the Fall of 21'. Until he says otherwise, why speak ill? Because Elvado knows all and is ginning for the coveted, unofficial oracle award around these parts 🙄.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jun 25, 2020 16:46:10 GMT -5
You can have your opinions, but please take the young man at face value. He said he will be a Hoya the Fall of 21'. Until he says otherwise, why speak ill? Because Elvado knows all and is ginning for the coveted, unofficial oracle award around these parts 🙄. Nope. Just a PTSD Hoya fan
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 25, 2020 16:57:32 GMT -5
This is a very weird situation. Did he sign a LOI? Does a LOI bind if you go and do a prep year instead of show up or enter the transfer portal?
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jun 25, 2020 17:01:17 GMT -5
Don't mean to throw speculation at something if it's way off base, but is this academics related? In my time on the hilltop, a prep year was usually to get grades or test scores in order so you can enroll. Regardless, that's a solid 1st commit to the 2021 class! Have to think he'd be higher ranked in that one than 2020.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jun 25, 2020 17:24:05 GMT -5
I take Tyler at his word, but it's not a great development for the Hoyas unless we are are about to give Cisse or another unattached star a scholarship for the coming season. I understand what Elvado is saying. These situations rarely work out for us of late. If Tyler plays great at Hargrave, expect plenty of schools to come sniffing around. Fingers crossed but not holding my breath.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:43:59 GMT -5
Because Elvado knows all and is ginning for the coveted, unofficial oracle award around these parts 🙄. Nope. Just a PTSD Hoya fan Fair
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:46:29 GMT -5
This is a very weird situation. Did he sign a LOI? Does a LOI bind if you go and do a prep year instead of show up or enter the transfer portal? And LOI isn’t binding (in the way it used to be). You can apply pressure but no coach is going to force a kid to come play for his program if he doesn’t want to be there. Tl:dr it’s just a piece of paper either way. Only reason a coach would force a player to come is if they were being selfish/petty or actually had their best interests at heart for it to work out in a convoluted way, though I know no example of such occurrence.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:49:34 GMT -5
Don't mean to throw speculation at something if it's way off base, but is this academics related? In my time on the hilltop, a prep year was usually to get grades or test scores in order so you can enroll. Regardless, that's a solid 1st commit to the 2021 class! Have to think he'd be higher ranked in that one than 2020. It is probably related to the uncertainty surrounding sports in general over the next year. Aka the most reasonable explanation and what the kid said. FWIW, I always thought Beard’s biggest weakness to adjusting to the college game would be strength-related. Iirc he’s currently in the 170 pound range? If so, he needs to add at least 15+ pounds before he can compete with some of these college dudes. Weight/strength isn’t everything, but for his playstyle I think it’s important. I was shocked to find out he was so light.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jun 25, 2020 17:51:50 GMT -5
I take Tyler at his word, but it's not a great development for the Hoyas unless we are are about to give Cisse or another unattached star a scholarship for the coming season. I understand what Elvado is saying. These situations rarely work out for us of late. If Tyler plays great at Hargrave, expect plenty of schools to come sniffing around. Fingers crossed but not holding my breath. Well a) the bar should really be whether we replace him with someone who will contribute more next season, and with J. Harris coming in one of our backup guards is/was expendable for a year and b) that’s fair, but every kid and situation is different. There really is no generalizing a kid’s loyalty. If anything at least we have one in the hand for next year (while it lasts, eh?)
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Post by daveg023 on Jun 25, 2020 17:52:55 GMT -5
The longer the time he’s not on campus the less likely he is to come down the road. Does that definitively mean he won’t come in a year? Certainly not. But now there’s a non-zero chance he doesn’t (other schools come calling, he gets hurt, PE’s status, cold feet, etc), versus the alternative that he’d be coming to campus in a few weeks.
A lot can happen in a year, and most of it only would hurt the chances he comes. Nothing at this point improves that probability unfortunately.
The only silver lining is if he does in fact come, he will have more experience and our class balance (assuming we don’t sign another freshman) is better.
That being said, it might be weirder dynamics for him to come in after Berger and Harris will have had a year of experience at that point. Also does this change PE’s outlook on recruiting a Class of ‘21 PG now?
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jun 25, 2020 18:55:18 GMT -5
Just to hopefully talk some people of the ledge clues seem to point that this may be a grades issue which is actually a good thing for us.
- A lot of schools had back off of him before we came in. That is a sign of teams not thinking they will make it to college. - This had been rumored by RB for a few weeks. This is likely because the coaches got a heads up that this was going to happen. We have also kept recruiting like we had an open scholarship when we didn't so the coaching staff knew something. - The writing was on the wall but probably became official with the end of Whitney Young's school year who did their graduation ceremony Friday. - He seems committed to us in the 2021 class so it doesn't seem like he's going to get more offers or to mature physically. This could all be for naught if the big schools that were scared off by grades start coming around now that they know he could qualify. The fact that he is going to a prep school in VA and mentioned us in his announcement make it seem for now he intends on being a Hoya.
I know we would like to believe everything we read but the Covid excuse doesn't make much sense. He wasn't going to come out and say I didn't qualify. If him and his family were really worried about Covid they wouldn't be sending him 800 miles away to the middle of nowhere VA. The chances that Hargrave plays basketball and we don't is slim to none and that is certainly not a reason to go to prep. He wouldn't lose a year of eligibility if there is no season.
Everyone just breathe and hope for the best. If we were going to lose a player for the upcoming year this seems to be the best type of scenario for it. Maybe it actually works out in the future for us as well.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 25, 2020 19:24:05 GMT -5
Not sure why the board is so upset. Heck, it seems like every poster here wants to see a redshirt year for someone.
That's enough of the speculation about an injured transcript or whatever - give the kid some respect in terms of privacy.
Besides, the University still cannot make up its mind if students are coming back on campus and if so, how many and where and for how long. Sure, the basketball players would likely be on campus, but next year is pretty much guaranteed not to be a normal college year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 25, 2020 19:44:29 GMT -5
Not sure why the board is so upset. Heck, it seems like every poster here wants to see a redshirt year for someone. That's enough of the speculation about an injured transcript or whatever - give the kid some respect in terms of privacy. Besides, the University still cannot make up its mind if students are coming back on campus and if so, how many and where and for how long. Sure, the basketball players would likely be on campus, but next year is pretty much guaranteed not to be a normal college year. Has HoyaTalk considered granting redshirt years? Might be a good idea to give some posters a year to develop their skills and their judgment.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Jun 25, 2020 20:42:35 GMT -5
Not sure why the board is so upset. Heck, it seems like every poster here wants to see a redshirt year for someone. That's enough of the speculation about an injured transcript or whatever - give the kid some respect in terms of privacy. Besides, the University still cannot make up its mind if students are coming back on campus and if so, how many and where and for how long. Sure, the basketball players would likely be on campus, but next year is pretty much guaranteed not to be a normal college year. My bad if I speculated improperly. Was honestly just wondering if anything had been said. Regardless, not upset beyond thinking he’d have helped the team next year Excited at the prospect of him leading oir next class.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jun 25, 2020 21:35:25 GMT -5
Tyler Beard go handle your business at the prep school in VA. It’s not too far from Gtown compared to Chicago. You are still a Gtown commit which is good news. We as Hoya fans look forward to welcoming you to our 2021 class.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 25, 2020 22:59:35 GMT -5
Seems like a smart move for him and for, likely, thousands and thousands of other kids that were hoping to head off to college in the fall. I get that it's a blow to the program (assuming there's a season which, realistically, is far from a given). But I'm sure Tyler would LOVE to be going to college in the fall like any other kid. But, IMO, he's making a mature, safe decision to wait a year. If the past 6 months has taught us anything, it's that there are many, many more pressing issues than the state of our Men's BB program.
I hope that when it does return, Georgetown Basketball and the University as a whole attempts to be a voice for change. As much crap as Big John tends to get on this board, we always have been very lucky to have him. I'm grateful that he's still around in an advisory role and, at this particular time in our history, I'm not talking only (or even primarily) about basketball. May he continue to share his knowledge and his experiences with the athletes and with the University as a whole.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 26, 2020 11:24:00 GMT -5
I'm all for having guys that are older then their peers. It's not ideal for their NBA aspirations (although its beginning to matter less) but that year of maturity makes a huge difference. Rock had mentioned Tyler's current weight of 170, even if he wasn't hitting the gym at a military school that weight would come up with another year of maturing.
Could Tyler de-commit fully from Georgetown? Yes. For now though, he's a Hoya and I'll be watching his Hargrave season (if they play other schools). Tbh some of these PG High Schools would be smart to try to load up on guys who want to take a year off and publicize scrimmages if external games aren't allowed.
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