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Post by trillesthoya on May 6, 2020 22:42:23 GMT -5
I will take the third place recruiting class in the conference any day (probably fourth when UConn gets added but still). We are still missing our blue chipper but given the fact that we had to sell the team after we lost two stars mid season to a bunch of recruits, 37th in the nation is about as good as we reasonably could expect to do. If it stays the same in 2021 I’ll start to get nervous.
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 0:33:21 GMT -5
I will take the third place recruiting class in the conference any day (probably fourth when UConn gets added but still). We are still missing our blue chipper but given the fact that we had to sell the team after we lost two stars mid season to a bunch of recruits, 37th in the nation is about as good as we reasonably could expect to do. If it stays the same in 2021 I’ll start to get nervous. Where did you see the conference rankings? Please post the link.
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Post by trillesthoya on May 7, 2020 0:35:55 GMT -5
I will take the third place recruiting class in the conference any day (probably fourth when UConn gets added but still). We are still missing our blue chipper but given the fact that we had to sell the team after we lost two stars mid season to a bunch of recruits, 37th in the nation is about as good as we reasonably could expect to do. If it stays the same in 2021 I’ll start to get nervous. Where did you see the conference rankings? Please post the link. 247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/?Conference=Big-East
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 1:20:52 GMT -5
This is not worth much. The ranking favors amount of frosh recruits. That is why we're 3rd. Villanova, the best program in the Big East, is not even listed because Wright has a full roster for now. Another example is Creighton with Coach McD, who is a great recruiter, is loaded and has one scholarship available, but is ranked near the bottom. Maybe next year we will be #1 because we will need 4 o 5 recruits yet again.
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Post by trillesthoya on May 7, 2020 1:25:43 GMT -5
This is not worth much. The ranking favors amount of frosh recruits. That is why we're 3rd. Villanova, the best program in the Big East, is not even listed because Wright has a full roster for now. Another example is great recruiter Coach McD at Creighton, who had one scholarship available, is ranked near the bottom. Maybe next year we will be #1 because we will need 4 o 5 recruits yet again. I said we had the third place recruiting class, not the third place team. Sure having more recruits helps, but it adjusts at least somewhat by providing an average score which is impacted by the recruit's rating. I.e. having three three stars is worse than one five star. Its not a perfect measure but I think its a fair to say we have the third/fourth best class.
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Post by hoyaroc on May 7, 2020 2:35:51 GMT -5
Tyler Beard is very close to being a 4 star recruit.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 7, 2020 2:50:57 GMT -5
This is not worth much. The ranking favors amount of frosh recruits. That is why we're 3rd. Villanova, the best program in the Big East, is not even listed because Wright has a full roster for now. Another example is Creighton with Coach McD, who is a great recruiter, is loaded and has one scholarship available, but is ranked near the bottom. Maybe next year we will be #1 because we will need 4 o 5 recruits yet again. I think you're confusing class rankings with team rankings. This is not a ranking of the best teams in the Big East. It is a ranking of the 2020 high school recruits going to each team in the Big East. So yes, Georgetown should be ahead of Villanova because Villanova has no 2020 high school recruits. That does not make Georgetown a better team than Villanova. And yes, quantity helps, but 247 does a decent job of prioritizing quality. Here's a breakdown of their calculation of Georgetown's 2020 class: Jamari Sibley 26.09 Tyler Beard 17.77 Kobe Clark 6.91 Dante Harris 2.27 247sports.com/college/georgetown/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/You'll see that the value of a low ranked recruit is really low in the aggregate class score. So if a team had one 5 star recruit and another team had five 3 star recruits, the team with the one 5 star recruit would still be ranked ahead of the other team in the class rankings. Anyways, this isn't a big deal since rankings aren't everything in recruiting. But this does show that Georgetown has a decent recruiting class coming in compared to the other Big East teams, despite all of the recruiting misses this year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 7, 2020 3:03:38 GMT -5
I noticed the league didn’t sign a single 5-star recruit. ☹️
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Post by hoyazeke on May 7, 2020 7:37:36 GMT -5
You're right that is depressing. Never actually thought rankings went that low, thought they stopped at 150 or 200 or at least they should. Don't think any player braggs about being a top 400 recruit. Actually it isn't that bad if you think about what it truly means. There are over 600 HS in Virginia alone. If each HS has 2 seniors that's 1200+ seniors for 1 state. Multiply that times 50 and that is 60000. So if we have the 396 recruit out of 60000+ it doesn't sound so bad....just saying....I know we all want top 25/5* recruits but you can't roll your eyes at a really good player.....
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Post by hoyazeke on May 7, 2020 7:39:58 GMT -5
I was never a baller but I've always had an opinion just like anyone else and thought I could express it here amongst my fellow nerds without being taken to task, apparently I'm mistaken. I am a Hoya fanatic and my rankings statement simply reflects the reality of where we are now 'we're bottom dwellers' but I'm here for it. And trust me on this, unless we're talking about net worth, being 399 places out of first place is not elite by any stretch. It is elite if there are 60000 participants...🤔
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 7:48:33 GMT -5
This is not worth much. The ranking favors amount of frosh recruits. That is why we're 3rd. Villanova, the best program in the Big East, is not even listed because Wright has a full roster for now. Another example is Creighton with Coach McD, who is a great recruiter, is loaded and has one scholarship available, but is ranked near the bottom. Maybe next year we will be #1 because we will need 4 o 5 recruits yet again. I think you're confusing class rankings with team rankings. This is not a ranking of the best teams in the Big East. It is a ranking of the 2020 high school recruits going to each team in the Big East. So yes, Georgetown should be ahead of Villanova because Villanova has no 2020 high school recruits. That does not make Georgetown a better team than Villanova. And yes, quantity helps, but 247 does a decent job of prioritizing quality. Here's a breakdown of their calculation of Georgetown's 2020 class: Jamari Sibley 26.09 Tyler Beard 17.77 Kobe Clark 6.91 Dante Harris 2.27 247sports.com/college/georgetown/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/You'll see that the value of a low ranked recruit is really low in the aggregate class score. So if a team had one 5 star recruit and another team had five 3 star recruits, the team with the one 5 star recruit would still be ranked ahead of the other team in the class rankings. Anyways, this isn't a big deal since rankings aren't everything in recruiting. But this does show that Georgetown has a decent recruiting class coming in compared to the other Big East teams, despite all of the recruiting misses this year. No, I didn’t confuse class rank with team rank. Every year a similar class ranking comes out and, generally for the BE, the more frosh recruits you have, the better the class ranking. Yes, a 5-star beats a trio of 3-stars, but BE teams are not attracting many of those top recruits. Like you say, it’s not a big deal, but with all of the transfers nowadays, this list isn’t worth much as a comparison of recruiting success or of any other success.
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Post by rockhoya on May 7, 2020 7:58:50 GMT -5
I think you're confusing class rankings with team rankings. This is not a ranking of the best teams in the Big East. It is a ranking of the 2020 high school recruits going to each team in the Big East. So yes, Georgetown should be ahead of Villanova because Villanova has no 2020 high school recruits. That does not make Georgetown a better team than Villanova. And yes, quantity helps, but 247 does a decent job of prioritizing quality. Here's a breakdown of their calculation of Georgetown's 2020 class: Jamari Sibley 26.09 Tyler Beard 17.77 Kobe Clark 6.91 Dante Harris 2.27 247sports.com/college/georgetown/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/You'll see that the value of a low ranked recruit is really low in the aggregate class score. So if a team had one 5 star recruit and another team had five 3 star recruits, the team with the one 5 star recruit would still be ranked ahead of the other team in the class rankings. Anyways, this isn't a big deal since rankings aren't everything in recruiting. But this does show that Georgetown has a decent recruiting class coming in compared to the other Big East teams, despite all of the recruiting misses this year. No, I didn’t confuse class rank with team rank. Every year a similar class ranking comes out and, generally for the BE, the more frosh recruits you have, the better the class ranking. Yes, a 5-star beats a trio of 3-stars, but BE teams are not attracting many of those top recruits. Like you say, it’s not a big deal, but with all of the transfers nowadays, this list isn’t worth much as a comparison of recruiting success or of any other success. Yes, generally if you get more players they’ll make more of an impact. What methodology would you use to determine the best classes? Use the ranking of the best recruit and end the comparisons there?
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -5
No, I didn’t confuse class rank with team rank. Every year a similar class ranking comes out and, generally for the BE, the more frosh recruits you have, the better the class ranking. Yes, a 5-star beats a trio of 3-stars, but BE teams are not attracting many of those top recruits. Like you say, it’s not a big deal, but with all of the transfers nowadays, this list isn’t worth much as a comparison of recruiting success or of any other success. Yes, generally if you get more players they’ll make more of an impact. What methodology would you use to determine the best classes? Use the ranking of the best recruit and end the comparisons there? It’s very hard to do an apples-to-apples comparison or to do a useful one. Take Dante for example. Just going from the highlights, from the way that kid shoots, IMO he’s way undervalued. I haven’t seen his full games, so I might be wrong and he’s Tre Campell Part 2. But, if I’m right, then we should have a higher class rank. Again, it’s a fun exercise, but it’s not worth much more than that.
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Post by rockhoya on May 7, 2020 8:19:38 GMT -5
Yes, generally if you get more players they’ll make more of an impact. What methodology would you use to determine the best classes? Use the ranking of the best recruit and end the comparisons there? It’s very hard to do an apples-to-apples comparison or to do a useful one. Take Dante for example. Just going from the highlights, from the way that kid shoots, IMO he’s way undervalued. I haven’t seen his full games, so I might be wrong and he’s Tre Campell Part 2. But, if I’m right, then we should have a higher class rank. Again, it’s a fun exercise, but it’s not worth much more than that. Agreed for the most part. Not worth too much but it’s about the most direct comparison we have. I’d say we still have a solid group though that will hopefully overperform. We could be in a much worse place.
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 8:29:13 GMT -5
Agreed. I like the group a lot. But, take that with a grain of salt because I thought Cameron and Domingo were going to be sharpshooters. That said, I was right about Mac being undervalued.
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Post by njhoyalawya on May 7, 2020 9:17:29 GMT -5
I think you're confusing class rankings with team rankings. This is not a ranking of the best teams in the Big East. It is a ranking of the 2020 high school recruits going to each team in the Big East. So yes, Georgetown should be ahead of Villanova because Villanova has no 2020 high school recruits. That does not make Georgetown a better team than Villanova. And yes, quantity helps, but 247 does a decent job of prioritizing quality. Here's a breakdown of their calculation of Georgetown's 2020 class: Jamari Sibley 26.09 Tyler Beard 17.77 Kobe Clark 6.91 Dante Harris 2.27 247sports.com/college/georgetown/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/You'll see that the value of a low ranked recruit is really low in the aggregate class score. So if a team had one 5 star recruit and another team had five 3 star recruits, the team with the one 5 star recruit would still be ranked ahead of the other team in the class rankings. Anyways, this isn't a big deal since rankings aren't everything in recruiting. But this does show that Georgetown has a decent recruiting class coming in compared to the other Big East teams, despite all of the recruiting misses this year. No, I didn’t confuse class rank with team rank. Every year a similar class ranking comes out and, generally for the BE, the more frosh recruits you have, the better the class ranking. Yes, a 5-star beats a trio of 3-stars, but BE teams are not attracting many of those top recruits. Like you say, it’s not a big deal, but with all of the transfers nowadays, this list isn’t worth much as a comparison of recruiting success or of any other success. And yet the Big East was considered one of the most competitive conferences last year.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 7, 2020 14:03:23 GMT -5
Assuming all these rankings moving up also improved our overall ranking for the 2020 class. I believe we were #40 and now I see us at #37. Can someone confirm that, I just don't recall without a doubt what we were before. Google Cache shows overall rank #38, with Sibley 91, Beard 160, Clark 344, Harris NA. Now the site shows overall rank #37, with Sibley 96, Beard 147, Clark 356, Harris 394. 247 site currently has Sibley at 126 and Beard at 143. 247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2020 14:33:19 GMT -5
I will take the third place recruiting class in the conference any day (probably fourth when UConn gets added but still). We are still missing our blue chipper but given the fact that we had to sell the team after we lost two stars mid season to a bunch of recruits, 37th in the nation is about as good as we reasonably could expect to do. If it stays the same in 2021 I’ll start to get nervous. You were correct. UCon has the #17 national class, which puts them at #2 in BE just one slot behind Marquette. Btw, according to 247, UCon had the #18 class last year and next year are already ranked #14. We had the #55 class and N/A for next year.
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Post by paranoia2 on May 7, 2020 14:35:25 GMT -5
Agreed. I like the group a lot. But, take that with a grain of salt because I thought Cameron and Domingo were going to be sharpshooters. That said, I was right about Mac being undervalued. Domingo....weird. How can a guy be touted so highly as a shooter, make some moves to get him in early & he couldn’t really shoot...
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 7, 2020 14:46:08 GMT -5
I think the numbers I was quoting is the 247 Composite rankings as opposed to the 247 rankings.
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