hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2020 16:49:31 GMT -5
Just beat Marquette on the road and this evens out. Not a big deal. We shot over 50 pct from the field and 3, and only turned it over 8 times, and only gave up one more 3 than we made. Sure if we repeat all those things we could win but Marquette didn’t even play that well and we were almost perfect offensively and lost. Are basing perfection simply off TOs? We weren't close to perfect. Way too many empty possessions....Mac missing Jagan in the corner was huge....countless bad shots....smh
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 18, 2020 16:51:24 GMT -5
Tough loss but as was said, this was a 50/50 game. Bad bounce off Yurts leg, Mac will never miss that FT again, and it still took an all world shooting performance by Howard to beat us. Kids played hard and well, no quit.
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Jan 18, 2020 16:51:33 GMT -5
Yep, nothing to do with coaching, but a freaking awesome player did what he does. Haters are always going to find a way or go out of their way to hate. If you’re writing about me, I’m on record on wanting GU to do well now and our coach is Ewing. I want to win now. It would be awesome if Ewing was the coach who took us back to the top. Name on Guard who is a better athlete than McClung. Even Howard and Powell are not as athletically as gifted as Mac. They have better supporting casts. In other words, they have deeper benches. Deeper benches. Our guys are incredible for a 7 man team. SH, Marquette and other BE teams have 10, 11, or more players equally talented to rotate off the bench. Our starting five are exhausted. Exhausted. Now, having said that, GT has Blair and McClung who are both incredible 3 point shooters. So, in a game like this, why not divert double teaming from Mac by giving Blair his 3 point opportunities? The last play could have gone to Blair. If he was being closely guarded, a 3 pointer could have turned into a 4 pointer. Everyone knew Mac was getting the ball. They left him alone. Worst case scenario? 3 points.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 18, 2020 16:55:44 GMT -5
I mean it came down to McClung missing his first free throw or even the ball being backkicked off Yurt7's calf. This was a 50/50 game and ball didn't bounce are way but we fought till the end. Why are you criticizing McClung? Howard missed two FT's. Every player misses FT's. Mac was sick and hadn't practiced. He gave it all as he does every single game. He's the best athlete and player on this team....by far. Mac is an excellent player and a good guy, but no one wants to hear this kind of evangelizing, dude, especially after a tough loss. It's extremely weird how every post of yours focuses exclusively on hero worshipping a college kid, even to the extent of routinely trashing his teammates - why would you expect that kind of thing to receive a positive response on a board where everyone roots for the Hoyas as a team?
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 18, 2020 16:55:49 GMT -5
We shot over 50 pct from the field and 3, and only turned it over 8 times, and only gave up one more 3 than we made. Sure if we repeat all those things we could win but Marquette didn’t even play that well and we were almost perfect offensively and lost. Are basing perfection simply off TOs? We weren't close to perfect. Way too many empty possessions....Mac missing Jagan in the corner was huge....countless bad shots....smh Ok maybe “perfect” is a strong adjective but we were highly efficient. We limited turnovers, made a high percentage of our shots, and did well from deep. Yes we threw up a lot of bad shots (more so in the first half) and missed open guys, but overall we were pretty good to get 80 points on only 59 shots. As far as metrics go, this was our 2nd best game all year offensively (we were only better in the SMU game). I get it sometimes the computer numbers don’t equate to what your eyes see, but it is relevant to the point that we were pretty good on that end today. Unfortunately by the same measurement, it was our worst defensive performance efficiency-wise. So maybe we can even out the two extremes.
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Post by pioneeer on Jan 18, 2020 16:56:20 GMT -5
I give the guys much credit for their effort!
They came up a little short!
And I totally agree with the person that said we should not be criticizing MAC!
He is a gamer! Many of us are impressed with his game and what he bring to the team every night! Especially when he an Allen were playing with the Flu!
And the person that made a negative comment about Mac playing on another team, I personally beg too differ on your comment!
Go Hoyas! 🙏😇
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 18, 2020 16:58:30 GMT -5
I give the guys much credit for their effort! They came up a little short! And I totally agree with the person that said we should not be criticizing MAC! He is a gamer! Many of us are impressed with his game and what he bring to the team every night! Especially when he an Allen were playing with the Flu! And the person that made a negative comment about Mac playing on another team, I personally beg too differ on your comment! Go Hoyas! 🙏😇 Nattybumpo’s burner account
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 18, 2020 16:58:42 GMT -5
If you’re writing about me, I’m on record on wanting GU to do well now and our coach is Ewing. I want to win now. It would be awesome if Ewing was the coach who took us back to the top. Name on Guard who is a better athlete than McClung. Even Howard and Powell are not as athletically as gifted as Mac. They have better supporting casts. In other words, they have deeper benches. Deeper benches. Our guys are incredible for a 7 man team. SH, Marquette and other BE teams have 10, 11, or more players equally talented to rotate off the bench. Our starting five are exhausted. Exhausted. Marquette just played 8 players and one of them just a few mins.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 18, 2020 17:01:01 GMT -5
FWIW, in conference play (post eye injury), Mac is shooting 24-38 (63.1%) from the line.
In OOC, he was 45-50 (90%) from the line.
I am not saying he was to blame for the loss by costing us with his FTs; odds are he would not have been able to keep up 90% for the course of the season (with increased effort needed to be expended on the defensive end against better competition, increased physicality in conference play, and more minutes with a shortened bench, etc.).
However, he is going to need to be better than 63% from the line if we are going anywhere this year.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 18, 2020 17:03:13 GMT -5
Nothing to be ashamed of with this loss. We played a heck of a game. Marquette was just a little bit too much. We even did a better job of defending the three; just not good enough.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 18, 2020 17:09:42 GMT -5
Disagree. You need specific type of big to do it. Right now, we don’t have that player getting minutes. Therefore, the strategy sucks. The only other option with this matchup would have been to blitz it and play 4-3 elsewhere. I would have been fine trying it in spots. ts really hard to do that successfully over and over again because a prepared team -- and Marq surely is because they must see it a lot -- turns that into layups and uncontested threes. There aren't other options. A softer hedge and he shoots an open three. Can't switch. Surely can't go under it. Could try to ice it but he'd just refuse the screen and end up with a switch. There's a reason he scores more than anyone in the country!!! I think the last two minutes was the best they played it with the hedge man turning and facing instead of just retreating back to the paint and it actually slowed Howard down
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2020 17:09:53 GMT -5
Gave up too many offensive rebounds. Couldn’t stop Howard, he got too many easy shots but hit many while well-guarded too. Free throw shooting not great today. I’m sorry, but the late second half call where Mosely supposedly fouled Howard shooting from 3 was a flat out flop (you could make the case that Blair being fouled later in the same scenario was the same thing). I thought the flop was a point of emphasis this year? Guess not any more. Except Blair was clearly hit on the arm when the ball was still on his finger tips. That wasn’t even an arguable foul call. Howard wasn't given space to land....the earlier one on Moseley was worse....
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 18, 2020 17:16:10 GMT -5
Why are you criticizing McClung? Howard missed two FT's. Every player misses FT's. Mac was sick and hadn't practiced. He gave it all as he does every single game. He's the best athlete and player on this team....by far. Mac is an excellent player and a good guy, but no one wants to hear this kind of evangelizing, dude, especially after a tough loss. It's extremely weird how every post of yours focuses exclusively on hero worshipping a college kid, even to the extent of routinely trashing his teammates - why would you expect that kind of thing to receive a positive response on a board where everyone roots for the Hoyas as a team? He got caught with a burner account on here. He’s trolling. Unless you are trying to throw off the scent 😂
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Post by overseasfan on Jan 18, 2020 17:21:34 GMT -5
Lots of positives to take away from this game:
I really liked what I saw from Yurt on offense today.
I'm very impressed with how quickly Wahab is improving.
I feel like Mac has barely scratched his potential.
We can compete with anyone in the conference.
It took an all world performance from Howard for Marquette to beat us today.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 18, 2020 17:26:39 GMT -5
Good news going forward: going against Theo John and understudy, Omer continues his upswing, he was an aggressive force. He is adjusting to the BE.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 18, 2020 17:28:46 GMT -5
I don’t really get what this has to do with the next game against Marquette? We lost this game on the boards and at the free throw line. Defend Howard marginally better and box out and it’s a totally different game next time around. Look we all get it, you are a negative, sad, uninspired fan. Doesn’t mean you understand basketball. No need to take it personally or go on the attack. I’m really not looking to pick fights on a message board. My point was I thought we played a very high level offensive game and Marquette didn’t, and yet they won on the road. So if we both revert to our mean, I don’t see how we win at their gym. That’s all. But I could be pleasantly surprised and will be the first to praise your foresight. I will correct this to say that Marquette actually did have one of their most efficient offensive games of the season as well. I was pleased we held them to (only) 10 3s and under 40 pct, but the rest of their offense was highly efficient and they protected the ball. So that being said, it is conceivable that they revert back to their average too in their arena. We certainly can beat them, but I just feel like our margin of error is thinner than theirs. Well see how we do during this next five game stretch. A lot can change from now to then for both teams.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 18, 2020 17:30:08 GMT -5
Yep, nothing to do with coaching, but a freaking awesome player did what he does. Haters are always going to find a way or go out of their way to hate. If you’re writing about me, I’m on record on wanting GU to do well now and our coach is Ewing. I want to win now. It would be awesome if Ewing was the coach who took us back to the top. I've been schooled on the hedge, mostly by asking guys I know who played at top level and now are coaching and they have included me in film training. There are often 2, if not 5 rings (on one occasion) but adding pro play they have a lot of different coaching schemes they've played and learned under and now pass it on. There are some here who jump on the hard hedge who don't like Ewing nor any Thompson related coach and grab the hedge argument and think that helps their trashing Patrick. I don't really keep track of who says what. The hard hedge does get burned on a few occasions each game, but it protects a lot more points. It can also save energy and hard contact from the other team setting picks. With such a short roster other teams are going to set one heck of a lot of picks to wear down (if not hurt) Hoyas to get advantage late in the game. The hard hedge helps cut down on this, which is needed. This year Hoyas are running it better than when Govan ran it, which meant he needed help defense in the middle (which he did none-the-less as defense is something he never quite mastered) and that made for wide open 3 point wing or corner shots (when Derrickson was here, it was often his helping cover for Govan that had his player hitting and Derrickson was getting blamed, not the requirement to help Jesse (Derrickson was better on his own in the middle and didn't need to pull help, but that left Govan as a liablility elsewhere, but when Jesse on the bench it worked). With a lack of long athletic wings, which greatly help mute the need to hard hedge (but also gives bodies to make those setting pick pay over time) the Hoyas have been leaning on it more than ever this year.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 18, 2020 17:35:33 GMT -5
If you’re writing about me, I’m on record on wanting GU to do well now and our coach is Ewing. I want to win now. It would be awesome if Ewing was the coach who took us back to the top. I've been schooled on the hedge, mostly by asking guys I know who played at top level and now are coaching and they have included me in film training. There are often 2, if not 5 rings (on one occasion) but adding pro play they have a lot of different coaching schemes they've played and learned under and now pass it on. There are some here who jump on the hard hedge who don't like Ewing nor any Thompson related coach and grab the hedge argument and think that helps their trashing Patrick. I don't really keep track of who says what. The hard hedge does get burned on a few occasions each game, but it protects a lot more points. It can also save energy and hard contact from the other team setting picks. With such a short roster other teams are going to set one heck of a lot of picks to wear down (if not hurt) Hoyas to get advantage late in the game. The hard hedge helps cut down on this, which is needed. This year Hoyas are running it better than when Govan ran it, which meant he needed help defense in the middle (which he did none-the-less as defense is something he never quite mastered) and that made for wide open 3 point wing or corner shots (when Derrickson was here, it was often his helping cover for Govan that had his player hitting and Derrickson was getting blamed, not the requirement to help Jesse (Derrickson was better on his own in the middle and didn't need to pull help, but that left Govan as a liablility elsewhere, but when Jesse on the bench it worked). With a lack of long athletic wings, which greatly help mute the need to hard hedge (but also gives bodies to make those setting pick pay over time) the Hoyas have been leaning on it more than ever this year. It's saving energy and hard contact for our guards who would need to fight around the picks, but isn't it causing our bigs to expend more energy to come out and recover? I too think it can be useful in spurts, but it can't be every single possession against every personnel combination against every opponent. We really need to start deciding what/who we want to try to take away first and focus on employing a defensive scheme/gameplan designed to do that. We are just entirely too predictable on defense right now.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2020 17:36:02 GMT -5
Lots of positives to take away from this game: I really liked what I saw from Yurt on offense today. I'm very impressed with how quickly Wahab is improving. I feel like Mac has barely scratched his potential. We can compete with anyone in the conference. It took an all world performance from Howard for Marquette to beat us today. Just like it took an all-world performance from Bey. Starting to worry about a trend.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 18, 2020 17:45:45 GMT -5
Lots of positives to take away from this game: I really liked what I saw from Yurt on offense today. I'm very impressed with how quickly Wahab is improving. I feel like Mac has barely scratched his potential. We can compete with anyone in the conference. It took an all world performance from Howard for Marquette to beat us today. Deeply agree! Yurtseven when not playing other big bigs has a lot of great weapons at his disposal and it was good to see that today (perhaps could have been leaned on more). He did need to get his mind into rebounding and boxing out. Mac has really impressed me. I was worried about Mac's over hype coming in and didn't think his inside attacking the rim style was going to go well in the Big East, but knew he had a decent outside game with set shooting. He has put in an insane amount of work with on ball management, off ball assistance, and with the reworking of his shooting style and body build (de-bulking a bit) his set outside shooting is now really good, but has decent dribble to solid 3 shot, and drive to elbow for a pull up. His creating for others has improved a ton. He had poor point guard skill and IQ when he got to Georgetown, but now is better than decent (I still wouldn't depend on him as a full time or more than 3 to 5 minutes at PG, but he is an okay alternate). I was bummed with the outcome, but Howard was just as good as the billing that Howard has worked him self into. A lot of solid defense on him and he still got buckets as if he were wide open. Great player. Hoyas shut down the other usual problem that Marquette beats teams with.
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