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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 15, 2019 1:11:23 GMT -5
Excellent point... Part of his rant was him stating that "if Akinjo was still on the team, Syracuse would've won" Are folks on the board promoting & defending his comments ok with those as well? Having said that, I took it more as a courtesy to Patrick because I'm sure Boeheim realizes that Patrick is in a tough spot and he actually really likes Pat and always has. He's not entirely wrong about Akinjo but he did take it a bit far. Better to comment on the situation than individual players but, considering Akinjo wasn't a part of the serious sh*t that has happened and only, apparently, wanted out, I don't take much issue with what Boeheim said. If he believes it, I think it's within bounds only in light of the fact that the evidence on the court seems to support his comments for three games now. I'm not convinced we beat anyone with that 11 man rotation. We could win with it sure, but every game we used it in was a dog fight, regardless of how seemingly bad the opponent was. Syracuse isn't great, but they're still a lot better than a few of the teams we narrowly defeated while playing 11 guys. It should be no surprise that the only game PE used 9 guys in before the transfers was the Texas game, which was of course our best game of the season before the transfers took place. |
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Post by sleepy on Dec 15, 2019 1:18:03 GMT -5
You think we go 3-0 with Akinjo and LeBlanc still on the team? Or you think they would have both transferred in spectacularly dramatic fashion if we had won a close game? The allegations and transfers have nothing to do with the UNCG loss. They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 15, 2019 5:37:26 GMT -5
The allegations and transfers have nothing to do with the UNCG loss. They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. There is something to the dramatic departure of two of your most talented players and Akinjo's family throwing shots at Coach Ewing and the program that brought the rest of the team together. Alexander and Gardner's leaving while not as dramatic solidified the remainder of this team as one unit into playing its best basketball since Coach Ewing has been running things. I will add this, the remaining players on the team really really like and want to do well for Coach Ewing. If they didn't, they would have just ignored him, thrown in the towel, while each player tries to get their numbers, and this team would have not only loss but been blown out the last 3 games... |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 15, 2019 6:11:29 GMT -5
The allegations and transfers have nothing to do with the UNCG loss. They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. Totally disagree with the main premise that the allegations would never have been discovered if we had beaten UNCG. I just don’t believe that statement this day and age. It would have come out at some point, especially as you conceded that Akinjo and Leblanc were goners no matter what. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 15, 2019 6:25:16 GMT -5
Boeheim's status from a W-L perspective doesn't change the fact that he's been basically a whiny brat throughout his career. I don't think a measure of inappropriate Akinjo-bashing all of a sudden turns him into a truth-teller. And, in a backhanded kind of way, his opinion of addition by subtraction isn't exactly an endorsement of the coach who gave Akinjo the keys. James was awful against UNCG, but anyone who saw the Duke and Penn St. games should be able to read the full text of Boeheim's comments and take them with a large grain of salt. Excellent point... Part of his rant was him stating that "if Akinjo was still on the team, Syracuse would've won" Are folks on the board promoting & defending his comments ok with those as well? Obviously we will never know if what Coach Boheim is saying is true and I'm not trying to defend him in any way. From a coaching standpoint, the team with Akinjo was much easier to defend. While talented, Akinjo could be easily manipulated into bad shots, bad decisions, and selfish play. Its much harder to defend 6-7 players then to defend 2 or 3 (on a good game). Good coaches can exploit that kind of a player... |
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 15, 2019 7:29:21 GMT -5
If Akinjo had a chip on his shoulder before, imagine what it will be when he takes the court again. Whew....
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Dec 15, 2019 7:40:37 GMT -5
If Akinjo had a chip on his shoulder before, imagine what it will be when he takes the court again. Whew.... Yep. But it won't matter if he doesn't use it the right way. The kid has the potential to be a special player but he is going to have to adjust how he sees himself and plays his game. Time will tell on that and I wish him well as I'm not the type to wish ill thoughts on a teenager where the biggest gripe I have with him is that he should be less selfish on a basketball court. I know 43 year old me is a lot better person than 21 year old me who was a hell of a lot better person than 18 year old me. |
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 15, 2019 8:21:17 GMT -5
Syracuse isn't very good this year. We take them at 7 or 11 deep. Having said that, I took it more as a courtesy to Patrick because I'm sure Boeheim realizes that Patrick is in a tough spot and he actually really likes Pat and always has. He's not entirely wrong about Akinjo but he did take it a bit far. Better to comment on the situation than individual players but, considering Akinjo wasn't a part of the serious sh*t that has happened and only, apparently, wanted out, I don't take much issue with what Boeheim said. If he believes it, I think it's within bounds only in light of the fact that the evidence on the court seems to support his comments for three games now. I'm not convinced we beat anyone with that 11 man rotation. We could win with it sure, but every game we used it in was a dog fight, regardless of how seemingly bad the opponent was. Syracuse isn't great, but they're still a lot better than a few of the teams we narrowly defeated while playing 11 guys. It should be no surprise that the only game PE used 9 guys in before the transfers was the Texas game, which was of course our best game of the season before the transfers took place. I think we would’ve lost some or all of the last 3 games with the original 11. Look at what we did with them, 4-3 with the only good performance beating Texas. Other than Texas we were down, often times BIG, for large portions of the other games. How much have we been down in the last 3 games. MAYBE 5 minutes total? Now all of a sudden a team we thought had no shooters has shooters everywhere and we’re getting wide open looks, in rhythm. Our play early in this season was just way too easy to defend. |
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 15, 2019 8:44:50 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy nose picker was spot on. Also thought he was trying to be complimentary of Ewing.
He also was saying things to benefit him. He didn’t lose to a team with 3 losses. He lost to a different team.
We all happen to hope he was right about being a really really good team now.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Dec 15, 2019 8:59:44 GMT -5
I'm not convinced we beat anyone with that 11 man rotation. We could win with it sure, but every game we used it in was a dog fight, regardless of how seemingly bad the opponent was. Syracuse isn't great, but they're still a lot better than a few of the teams we narrowly defeated while playing 11 guys. It should be no surprise that the only game PE used 9 guys in before the transfers was the Texas game, which was of course our best game of the season before the transfers took place. I think we would’ve lost some or all of the last 3 games with the original 11. Look at what we did with them, 4-3 with the only good performance beating Texas. Other than Texas we were down, often times BIG, for large portions of the other games. How much have we been down in the last 3 games. MAYBE 5 minutes total? Now all of a sudden a team we thought had no shooters has shooters everywhere and we’re getting wide open looks, in rhythm. Our play early in this season was just way too easy to defend. I believe what's key is that Coach Ewing stated that ball is constantly moving (sharing the ball), and not sticking. The "team concept" has been taking shape the past few games, hopefully we as fans will continue to see this kind of mindset as the season progresses. |
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Post by HamptonHoya on Dec 15, 2019 9:18:48 GMT -5
I, just like many of you, really liked Akinjo and what he meant to the team when he got here. When some thought the rotation needed to be tightened, I don't recall anyone saying that Akinjo's time needed to be reduced or he needed to be benched. We were all disappointed when he left.
I hope the kid learns from this and fully utilizes his skill. Notice I didn't say he becomes a better person because of this, because I haven't seen any quotes from him regarding his departure. Sometimes things don't work out and we need to leave a situation. When that happens, no one will ever agree to the timing.
Regarding the Uncle. Who doesn't have a loud mouthed relative that we wish wouldn't say certain things. If you don't, perhaps the loud mouth is you.
When you all get tired of me and my comments, I won't make a fuss but will leave quietly.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 15, 2019 9:19:44 GMT -5
The allegations and transfers have nothing to do with the UNCG loss. They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. Leblanc always had an issue with playing time. I believe he only played 11 minutes in that UNC-G game and that may have been the straw that broke the camels back. It began last year when trey mourning was starting over him (until trey’s concussion) and spilled over to this year. IMHO, he either needed to be suspended or truly played....but the way he was used it was as if he were in purgatory. |
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 15, 2019 9:26:20 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy nose picker was spot on. Also thought he was trying to be complimentary of Ewing. He also was saying things to benefit him. He didn’t lose to a team with 3 losses. He lost to a different team. We all happen to hope he was right about being a really really good team now. Boeheim said all the things that if one of us on this board said...we’d be slammed for. Sometimes it’s okay to speak the truth. I will add this...some of the players that left simply didn’t want to be coached....period. If Boeheim said that....he again would have been absolutely correct. Not sure if anyone caught Ewing laying into Mac for a couple of bad shots he took yesterday....I mean yelling followed by the death stare. Mac’s response?....my bad coach...pointing to himself. The remaining guys on the team want to be coached. It makes all the difference. |
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Post by sleepy on Dec 15, 2019 10:04:52 GMT -5
They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. Leblanc always had an issue with playing time. I believe he only played 11 minutes in that UNC-G game and that may have been the straw that broke the camels back. It began last year when trey mourning was starting over him (until trey’s concussion) and spilled over to this year. IMHO, he either needed to be suspended or truly played....but the way he was used it was as if he were in purgatory. Yes I’m not disagreeing I’m just saying the trigger moment was a loss on top of not playing more. I just think a different game might have triggered the transfer had we won that specific game. |
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Post by sleepy on Dec 15, 2019 10:10:30 GMT -5
They actually have everything to do with them. The allegations wouldn’t have been discovered if not for the dramatic nature of the initial transfers. The dramatic nature of the transfers wouldn’t have happened, IMO, coming off of a win. I agree that Akinjo and LeBlanc would have likely left either way but I don’t think it would have happened the way it did if we beat UNC-G. Ultimately neither of us will ever know. We just have to wait and see how it turns out. Totally disagree with the main premise that the allegations would never have been discovered if we had beaten UNCG. I just don’t believe that statement this day and age. It would have come out at some point, especially as you conceded that Akinjo and Leblanc were goners no matter what. Goners yes. My point is that they wouldn’t have left together and with so much confusion had we won that game. And while the allegations might have come out, they likely would have come up after the issues were resolved which would have made their impact much different. |
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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 15, 2019 10:12:27 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy nose picker was spot on. Also thought he was trying to be complimentary of Ewing. He also was saying things to benefit him. He didn’t lose to a team with 3 losses. He lost to a different team. We all happen to hope he was right about being a really really good team now. Boeheim said all the things that if one of us on this board said...we’d be slammed for. Sometimes it’s okay to speak the truth. I will add this...some of the players that left simply didn’t want to be coached....period. If Boeheim said that....he again would have been absolutely correct. Not sure if anyone caught Ewing laying into Mac for a couple of bad shots he took yesterday....I mean yelling followed by the death stare. Mac’s response?....my bad coach...pointing to himself. The remaining guys on the team want to be coached. It makes all the difference. great points. |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 15, 2019 11:01:47 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy nose picker was spot on. Also thought he was trying to be complimentary of Ewing. He also was saying things to benefit him. He didn’t lose to a team with 3 losses. He lost to a different team. We all happen to hope he was right about being a really really good team now. Boeheim said all the things that if one of us on this board said...we’d be slammed for. Sometimes it’s okay to speak the truth. I will add this...some of the players that left simply didn’t want to be coached....period. If Boeheim said that....he again would have been absolutely correct. Not sure if anyone caught Ewing laying into Mac for a couple of bad shots he took yesterday....I mean yelling followed by the death stare. Mac’s response?....my bad coach...pointing to himself. The remaining guys on the team want to be coached. It makes all the difference. What’s true about this headline? Does he know something we don’t? As I posted yesterday, if PE can take the high road In regards to the players who left so can everyone else... I don’t want to stoop to the Uncle’s level... |
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Post by sleepy on Dec 15, 2019 11:13:34 GMT -5
Boeheim said all the things that if one of us on this board said...we’d be slammed for. Sometimes it’s okay to speak the truth. I will add this...some of the players that left simply didn’t want to be coached....period. If Boeheim said that....he again would have been absolutely correct. Not sure if anyone caught Ewing laying into Mac for a couple of bad shots he took yesterday....I mean yelling followed by the death stare. Mac’s response?....my bad coach...pointing to himself. The remaining guys on the team want to be coached. It makes all the difference. What’s true about this headline? Does he know something we don’t? As I posted yesterday, if PE can take the high road In regards to the players who left so can everyone else... I don’t want to stoop to the Uncle’s level... Jimmy B’s level is far below the Uncle level so that should be a concern. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 15, 2019 11:18:01 GMT -5
I thought Jimmy nose picker was spot on. Also thought he was trying to be complimentary of Ewing. He also was saying things to benefit him. He didn’t lose to a team with 3 losses. He lost to a different team. We all happen to hope he was right about being a really really good team now. Boeheim said all the things that if one of us on this board said...we’d be slammed for. Sometimes it’s okay to speak the truth. I will add this...some of the players that left simply didn’t want to be coached....period. If Boeheim said that....he again would have been absolutely correct. Not sure if anyone caught Ewing laying into Mac for a couple of bad shots he took yesterday....I mean yelling followed by the death stare. Mac’s response?....my bad coach...pointing to himself. The remaining guys on the team want to be coached. It makes all the difference. Watching the interaction about Mac’s last three attempt between Mac and coach Ewing is instructive; Mac said “I thought it was going in” with a smile that shows he knew it was ridiculous while Ewing shakes his head and laughs. |
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 15, 2019 12:07:06 GMT -5
If Akinjo had a chip on his shoulder before, imagine what it will be when he takes the court again. Whew.... Yep. But it won't matter if he doesn't use it the right way. The kid has the potential to be a special player but he is going to have to adjust how he sees himself and plays his game. Time will tell on that and I wish him well as I'm not the type to wish ill thoughts on a teenager where the biggest gripe I have with him is that he should be less selfish on a basketball court. I know 43 year old me is a lot better person than 21 year old me who was a hell of a lot better person than 18 year old me. Exactly, my thoughts. Akimbo is a talented guard who has worked very hard to overcome the doubts of him becoming a D1 pg because of his size. The problem was that he saw himself as a future NBA player who could take care of his family after making the NBA. This required putting up big numbers in college and getting recognized as did his idol, Lilliard. Most high school players have this dream, but because of his size the putting up big numbers part was essential. He committed to UConn at first. They had Kimba Walker as an example of what the program would allow a smallish pg do for a team. When the coach got fired, that freedom was not guaranteed, so he looked elsewhere. Coincidently Ewing coached Walker in the pros, so his knowledge of how to use Akinjo’s talents did not hurt his chances of signing him.. Ewing gave him a long leash last year and for the most part bore good results. This year with the additional talent surrounding him, Ewing expected him to share the ball a little more. That, however would not have allowed Akinjo to put up the numbers he needed to make that jump to the NBA before his four years was up, therefore you had he UNCG sit down by Ewing. I think the LaBlanc,Alexander, and Gardner problems presented him with an excuse to leave and he took it. I mentioned earlier in the year that I wished he was more of a pg like Brunson, than Iverson because of the talent on this team. Unfortunately he chose the Iverson, Walker, Lilliard template. I wish him the best. It’s hard to root against a kid whose ultimate motivation is to provide for his mom and dad. Of the four, I will miss most Gardner because of his potential to be a scorer, rebounder and lock down defender. Regardless of the truthfulness of the initial charges, Ewing was probably most upset about Lablanc’s subsequent actions. All young people make mistakes in judgment. It’s how you deal with that mistake that ultimately matters the most. |
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