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Post by royski on Dec 3, 2019 15:26:20 GMT -5
Another PR statement that simply raises more questions than it provides answers. Hard to see Reed surviving this at this point, the story is only growing and he seems ill equipped to managing a fast moving crisis. Interesting take - I actually think the new press release is pretty well done. The question now becomes, if they transferred over the weekend of their own accord, who leaked the stuff on legal problems? Did some enterprising person who was interested in the subject just start looking into court filings and find this within a couple hours of the transfer news breaking? Or did somebody from the Hoyas basketball program/athletic department leak it to the media to help justify LeBlanc/Akinjo leaving? And if the latter, did they not think there would be people asking about what Ewing knew and when he knew it? It's one paragraph attempting to distinguish the transfers causing the announcement from the legal issues for which it implies there were no repercussions, and that this was not a response to. Then it's several paragraphs generally explaining their process for dealing with student complaints, leading to the impression that Georgetown went through the process here and determined the allegations were unfounded, because there was no public disciplinary component for the accused. Except that a D.C. Superior Court Judge disagrees that they're unfounded, and all three players have upcoming court appearances. I don't think anyone leaked anything, rather the program put out a ludicrously opaque statement simply announcing that the two best players on the team were no longer on it. The D.C. court docket is publicly searchable and view-able. Doubt it took much time at all for a reporter to put LeBlanc's name in and see what came up. |
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Post by wolveribe on Dec 3, 2019 15:26:27 GMT -5
There shouldn't be remorse. The departures have nothing to do with the court cases. The only reason those were mentioned were fan sleuths.
Whether any of them should be playing is a different issue...
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Post by miamihoya on Dec 3, 2019 15:28:40 GMT -5
This is telling me that if LeBlanc did not transfer, would still be playing (even with the allegations of stealing, harassing, threats, etc.)? Seems to be the implication. Whether the public reporting about the legal filings was a result of people digging for answers on the internet or not, the University still needs to provide a better accounting for how it addressed these accusations and why players were allowed to continue playing. This statement doesn't cut it. |
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Post by thedragon on Dec 3, 2019 15:28:47 GMT -5
I've wanted to steer clear of this, but I also dont want to see the program be put into the wrong light.
The school is not going to comment on legal matters or in-school disciplinary hearings yet to be finalized.
Lets use a hypothetical - If the 2 players in question were about to go through a disciplinary hearing that could dismiss/expel them OR announce a transfer before any disciplinary action took place - which is preferable for both the student athlete and the university?
Think people. Think. The school isnt going to vilify students publicly.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 3, 2019 15:29:07 GMT -5
If they weren't going to play for the rest of the season because they were going to transfer, why didn't they just say that the first time? Fishy.
Things that this report doesn't address :
- other allegations (it only addresses the ones we found out about in the police reports)
- whether Akinjo or Leblanc were transferring as a result of a suspension - and the reason that we wonder that is because of how they wrote the first PR statement
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Post by saxagael on Dec 3, 2019 15:29:36 GMT -5
Amazing how some things take on a life of their own on the internets... and no, this is no attempt to minimize or trivialize ongoing matters involving TROs. This was what I was beginning to think is what happened. But, boy did their leaving expose one heck of a lot. The PR stated the University has privacy laws it has to adhere to. It also shows how Georgetown handles accusations, which was also seen with Walker and his and the other athlete's restraining orders. |
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Post by TC on Dec 3, 2019 15:29:38 GMT -5
Separately, allegations were reported publicly against three members of the team. The allegations do not involve James Akinjo.
I hope this is an indication of some remorse over not issuing separate statements for each player under the circumstances. Note as well the failure to mention LeBlanc's inclusion in "three members of the team" although his name was previously mentioned. Looks like this went through legal for sure.
All this statement says is that James Akinjo was not named in the police report incident. Read it again. |
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2019 15:29:41 GMT -5
There shouldn't be remorse. The departures have nothing to do with the court cases. The only reason those were mentioned were fan sleuths. Whether any of them should be playing is a different issue... Sorry, but some adult in the room should have recognized, in the context of LeBlanc being under investigation, that a joint release to include Akinjo was not the wisest course. |
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Post by wponds on Dec 3, 2019 15:31:37 GMT -5
This is telling me that if LeBlanc did not transfer, would still be playing (even with the allegations of stealing, harassing, threats, etc.)? Seems to be the implication. Whether the public reporting about the legal filings was a result of people digging for answers on the internet or not, the University still needs to provide a better accounting for how it addressed these accusations and why players were allowed to continue playing. This statement doesn't cut it. What I took away from it is that it's still in the process of being addressed. "Once the student conduct process is completed, and if sanctions are imposed by the Office of Student Conduct, coaches may impose additional disciplinary actions, including removal from the team." I'm assuming this means that until there's a definitive result, the players will play. I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's how I interpreted the statement |
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Post by mdtd on Dec 3, 2019 15:33:37 GMT -5
I think it answers a few questions. One, Alexander and Gardner are eligible to play as the investigation is yet to be completed. Two, LeBlanc wasn't dismissed as the investigation isn't completed. But there are certain questions involving LeBlanc game one suspension and what that entails. Could that have been based on part of this matter, something entirely different or what? We won't know, but it raises more questions there on potential suspensions. It would make much more sense if either of the two possibilities is true, or at least truer. Assuming they can't comment on the case involving LeBlanc, would they be allowed to mention he was involved and that was a possible motivation for him to transfer? If he isn't allowed to mention any individual, this statement makes much more sense, and it seems he isn't allowed to. The man thing to clear this up would be specifying the LeBlanc game one suspension and how that is/isn't related to the situation. And this would come from coach most likely, not Lee Reed.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2019 15:45:45 GMT -5
Separately, allegations were reported publicly against three members of the team. The allegations do not involve James Akinjo.
I hope this is an indication of some remorse over not issuing separate statements for each player under the circumstances. Note as well the failure to mention LeBlanc's inclusion in "three members of the team" although his name was previously mentioned. Looks like this went through legal for sure.
All this statement says is that James Akinjo was not named in the police report incident. Read it again. I get it. That doesn't really change my take. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 3, 2019 15:46:40 GMT -5
Another PR statement that simply raises more questions than it provides answers. Hard to see Reed surviving this at this point, the story is only growing and he seems ill equipped to managing a fast moving crisis. Interesting take - I actually think the new press release is pretty well done. The question now becomes, if they transferred over the weekend of their own accord, who leaked the stuff on legal problems? Did some enterprising person who was interested in the subject just start looking into court filings and find this within a couple hours of the transfer news breaking? Or did somebody from the Hoyas basketball program/athletic department leak it to the media to help justify LeBlanc/Akinjo leaving? And if the latter, did they not think there would be people asking about what Ewing knew and when he knew it? The first place I saw the court filings was from a commenter on CasualHoya who had found them. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 3, 2019 15:48:15 GMT -5
Amazing how some things take on a life of their own on the internets... and no, this is no attempt to minimize or trivialize ongoing matters involving TROs. Might not be an attempt too minimize it, but it does the trick nicely. I actually credit the internet for helping To expose what's reality going on in the program. It's a shambles. Sad Not my intent. My intent was actually to say that the internet, over the past 24 hours, has found some data of substance but also publicized a whole lot of hearsay that has generally been assumed to be true without corroboration. What recompense does a student athlete who is mentioned as being part of this actually have if he wasn't really involved? Nobody is going to believe him because it says differently on twitter. In some ways, Akinjo's decision to put his name in the transfer portal now tars him the same way. If he did it separately, he's just uncoachable. Now, he's potentially worse since there's a whole lot of blather out there tying him to the assault. Is it true? Probably not. |
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Post by Filo on Dec 3, 2019 15:50:02 GMT -5
Seems to be the implication. Whether the public reporting about the legal filings was a result of people digging for answers on the internet or not, the University still needs to provide a better accounting for how it addressed these accusations and why players were allowed to continue playing. This statement doesn't cut it. What I took away from it is that it's still in the process of being addressed. "Once the student conduct process is completed, and if sanctions are imposed by the Office of Student Conduct, coaches may impose additional disciplinary actions, including removal from the team." I'm assuming this means that until there's a definitive result, the players will play. I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's how I interpreted the statement Agreed, and if there was a complaint made, which certainly appears to be the case, then it is clear that the University did not deem any of the players as an immediate threat ("If the University determines that a student poses an immediate threat to the safety or security of students or of the community, the University would take immediate action to remove the student from campus.)". The statement from Reed leaves a lot open, but that is the nature of the process -- he cannot - and he did not - even mention that any of the players are named in a complaint or subject to some sort of disciplinary hearing or action. Everything written in that statement describes the process in general. |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2019 15:52:46 GMT -5
There shouldn't be remorse. The departures have nothing to do with the court cases. The only reason those were mentioned were fan sleuths. Whether any of them should be playing is a different issue... Sorry, but some adult in the room should have recognized, in the context of LeBlanc being under investigation, that a joint release to include Akinjo was not the wisest course. The Georgetown PR department is one of the worst in the world. In their attempt to be their usual ambiguous selves they created this entire mess. If they would have just said that James and Josh were transferring instead of the terribly worded statement it is very unlikely the fans would have went digging. That is not saying it wouldn't have eventually come it but I think if it comes out later it doesn't look as bad assuming everyone is cleared in the matter. |
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Post by TC on Dec 3, 2019 15:55:19 GMT -5
Might not be an attempt too minimize it, but it does the trick nicely. I actually credit the internet for helping To expose what's reality going on in the program. It's a shambles. Sad Not my intent. My intent was actually to say that the internet, over the past 24 hours, has found some data of substance but also publicized a whole lot of hearsay that has generally been assumed to be true without corroboration. What recompense does a student athlete who is mentioned as being part of this actually have if he wasn't really involved? Nobody is going to believe him because it says differently on twitter. In some ways, Akinjo's decision to put his name in the transfer portal now tars him the same way. If he did it separately, he's just uncoachable. Now, he's potentially worse since there's a whole lot of blather out there tying him to the assault. Is it true? Probabaly not. Is the fault here with the internet, or with the original Athletic Department statement? It would have been really easy for the athletic department to exonerate Akinjo in the original statement - but they didn't. They put him in the same sentence as someone they were suspending and disciplining this season, and it made it completely ambiguous what happened here when they could easily have said they were transferring. Instead of saying that "he has expressed the desire to transfer", they said he wouldn't be a part of the team. It strikes me as super intentional that they did things that way originally, and they didn't take a mea culpa on this either on the second report. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 3, 2019 16:01:01 GMT -5
Not my intent. My intent was actually to say that the internet, over the past 24 hours, has found some data of substance but also publicized a whole lot of hearsay that has generally been assumed to be true without corroboration. What recompense does a student athlete who is mentioned as being part of this actually have if he wasn't really involved? Nobody is going to believe him because it says differently on twitter. In some ways, Akinjo's decision to put his name in the transfer portal now tars him the same way. If he did it separately, he's just uncoachable. Now, he's potentially worse since there's a whole lot of blather out there tying him to the assault. Is it true? Probabaly not. Is the fault here with the internet, or with the original Athletic Department statement? It would have been really easy for the athletic department to exonerate Akinjo in the original statement - but they didn't. They put him in the same sentence as someone they were suspending and disciplining this season, and it made it completely ambiguous what happened here when they could easily have said they were transferring. Instead of saying that "he has expressed the desire to transfer", they said he wouldn't be a part of the team. It strikes me as super intentional that they did things that way originally, and they didn't take a mea culpa on this either on the second report. We can split hairs about statements, but ALL of the confabulation occurred elsewhere. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -5
Not my intent. My intent was actually to say that the internet, over the past 24 hours, has found some data of substance but also publicized a whole lot of hearsay that has generally been assumed to be true without corroboration. What recompense does a student athlete who is mentioned as being part of this actually have if he wasn't really involved? Nobody is going to believe him because it says differently on twitter. In some ways, Akinjo's decision to put his name in the transfer portal now tars him the same way. If he did it separately, he's just uncoachable. Now, he's potentially worse since there's a whole lot of blather out there tying him to the assault. Is it true? Probabaly not. Is the fault here with the internet, or with the original Athletic Department statement? It would have been really easy for the athletic department to exonerate Akinjo in the original statement - but they didn't. They put him in the same sentence as someone they were suspending and disciplining this season, and it made it completely ambiguous what happened here when they could easily have said they were transferring. Instead of saying that "he has expressed the desire to transfer", they said he wouldn't be a part of the team. It strikes me as super intentional that they did things that way originally, and they didn't take a mea culpa on this either on the second report. unless . . . |
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Post by hsaxon on Dec 3, 2019 16:04:08 GMT -5
There shouldn't be remorse. The departures have nothing to do with the court cases. The only reason those were mentioned were fan sleuths. Whether any of them should be playing is a different issue... Sorry, but some adult in the room should have recognized, in the context of LeBlanc being under investigation, that a joint release to include Akinjo was not the wisest course. Agree.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 16:17:31 GMT -5
This whole thing reminds me of Tiger’s car accident...
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