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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:04:06 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. This is national news, and is being covered by outlets including the Washington Post, on the front page. This is a national embarrassment for the university, and the greatest embarrassment for the program in recent memory. It may warrant NCAA discipline. The sequence of events, on their surface, simply do not make sense in light of the public record. The University's reputation is on the line here, and they have a duty to explain why they allowed credibly accused students to continue to play basketball representing the University, before abruptly dismissing one of the students. That duty is owed to the student body, to the alumni, to the people who fund the program, and even to the public. Wasn’t Devendorf allowed to play for Cuse for admitting to much worse? And the NCAA was fine with it. Don't we want to hold Georgetown to a higher standard than the low bar of Syracuse??? I, for one, do. |
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 10:06:14 GMT -5
Any truth to the rumor we will be wearing our alternate Orange and Teal on 12/14?
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Post by TC on Dec 3, 2019 10:06:16 GMT -5
Agree to disagree. This is national news, and is being covered by outlets including the Washington Post, on the front page. This is a national embarrassment for the university, and the greatest embarrassment for the program in recent memory. It may warrant NCAA discipline. The sequence of events, on their surface, simply do not make sense in light of the public record. The University's reputation is on the line here, and they have a duty to explain why they allowed credibly accused students to continue to play basketball representing the University, before abruptly dismissing one of the students. That duty is owed to the student body, to the alumni, to the people who fund the program, and even to the public. Wasn’t Devendorf allowed to play for Cuse for admitting to much worse? And the NCAA was fine with it. We weren't okay with Devendorf playing and I don't think anyone wants our standards to be Syracuse's. |
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Post by capcenterhoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:06:37 GMT -5
Best post of the last 24 hours. Let more facts emerge even though not looking good right now. But how do you know more information will be forthcoming. That is my issue. I don’t want to give the university (anyone, the coach. AD. Or president) any latitude. I don’t believe they deserve it The university put out a carefully worded statement last night. It is a fine line to be respectful to both the accusers and the accused. The school is presumably continuing to stand behind its players for a reason. |
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:06:43 GMT -5
I am trying to reserve judgement until the facts are on the table, but one thing I cannot accept is the idea Ewing knew nothing about this. If GU DPS was involved and Ewing has ANY relationship with any of his players, he knew what was going on. Suspending Josh for a game is also a strong indication he knew something was happening.
And if by some improbable stretch Ewing did not know what happened, that would demonstrate a complete lack of institutional control and an unacceptable level of involvement with his players. He is their coach, how could he explain not knowing something of this magnitude was happening? Does he not talk to them at all, do none of his assistants talk to the kids? That would be unacceptable.
Besides that, we all have different tolerances, including the GU admin, for when a presumed innocent person is considered "guilty enough" to receive punishment. In today's world, due process means different things to different people. For me, as of Nov 20th, I would have liked to see all 3 of these men suspended pending further investigation, but for some it is not so clear and I can accept that given the lack of clarity.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2019 10:07:47 GMT -5
Wasn’t Devendorf allowed to play for Cuse for admitting to much worse? And the NCAA was fine with it. We weren't okay with Devendorf playing and I don't think anyone wants our standards to be Syracuse's. Here is fun exercise. Substitute Devendorf for LeBlanc and Boeheim for Ewing... Then react |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 3, 2019 10:15:41 GMT -5
But how do you know more information will be forthcoming. That is my issue. I don’t want to give the university (anyone, the coach. AD. Or president) any latitude. I don’t believe they deserve it The university put out a carefully worded statement last night. It is a fine line to be respectful to both the accusers and the accused. The school is presumably continuing to stand behind its players for a reason. Exactly. Let the process play out. It takes time. |
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Post by miamihoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:19:25 GMT -5
The university put out a carefully worded statement last night. It is a fine line to be respectful to both the accusers and the accused. The school is presumably continuing to stand behind its players for a reason. Exactly. Let the process play out. It takes time. The team plays tomorrow night and two players still on the team roster are named in now public documents as having committed serious offenses. The school has an obligation to provide answers before allowing those players to suit up tomorrow night. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:26:24 GMT -5
Exactly. Let the process play out. It takes time. The team plays tomorrow night and two players still on the team roster are named in now public documents as having committed serious offenses. The school has an obligation to provide answers before allowing those players to suit up tomorrow night. Remember Duke LaCrosse and Mike Nifong? Ruined Dukes season. Let due process and justice do it’s work |
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:27:33 GMT -5
I am trying to reserve judgement until the facts are on the table, but one thing I cannot accept is the idea Ewing knew nothing about this. If GU DPS was involved and Ewing has ANY relationship with any of his players, he knew what was going on. Suspending Josh for a game is also a strong indication he knew something was happening. And if by some improbable stretch Ewing did not know what happened, that would demonstrate a complete lack of institutional control and an unacceptable level of involvement with his players. He is their coach, how could he explain not knowing something of this magnitude was happening? Does he not talk to them at all, do none of his assistants talk to the kids? That would be unacceptable. Besides that, we all have different tolerances, including the GU admin, for when a presumed innocent person is considered "guilty enough" to receive punishment. In today's world, due process means different things to different people. For me, as of Nov 20th, I would have liked to see all 3 of these men suspended pending further investigation, but for some it is not so clear and I can accept that given the lack of clarity. John Thompson Jr. used to brag about how he had "spies" on campus so he always knew what his players were doing or not doing, separate and apart from Ms. Fenlon's duties. Remember his intercession with Rayful Edmond? |
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Post by capcenterhoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:27:49 GMT -5
Exactly. Let the process play out. It takes time. The team plays tomorrow night and two players still on the team roster are named in now public documents as having committed serious offenses. The school has an obligation to provide answers before allowing those players to suit up tomorrow night. Yes, given the national coverage, they have to make a final decision on Galen and Myron today. It would not speak well of their internal processes if the decision was precipated by these public revelations. |
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 3, 2019 10:29:03 GMT -5
Best post of the last 24 hours. Let more facts emerge even though not looking good right now. But how do you know more information will be forthcoming. That is my issue. I don’t want to give the university (anyone, the coach. AD. Or president) any latitude. I don’t believe they deserve it My post appealed to calm. Too many assumptions are being drawn without information. More info will be forthcoming whether it be from the University, court actions, or feedback from fellow students on campus. Discuss the issues as understood, but conclusions are a bit much right now. |
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Post by drquigley on Dec 3, 2019 10:30:58 GMT -5
The one thing missing from this conversation is what current undergrads are thinking about all this. I have to think that this news has been circulating on campus for weeks if not months. Also have to wonder if the relationship of students to their basketball players hasn't been damaged for a while, ergo the small student support/attendance for the program. I can't believe students weren't aware of the allegations contained in the TRO. Anyone here have kids/grandkids on campus?
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:32:33 GMT -5
The one thing missing from this conversation is what current undergrads are thinking about all this. I have to think that this news has been circulating on campus for weeks if not months. Also have to wonder if the relationship of students to their basketball players hasn't been damaged for a while, ergo the small student support/attendance for the program. I can't believe students weren't aware of the allegations contained in the TRO. Anyone here have kids/grandkids on campus? I'm waiting for some hardhitting investigative journalism from the Hoya and the Voice! November 22nd article from The Hoya: thehoya.com/student-designed-class-to-tackle-title-ix/ |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:33:16 GMT -5
The one thing missing from this conversation is what current undergrads are thinking about all this. I have to think that this news has been circulating on campus for weeks if not months. Also have to wonder if the relationship of students to their basketball players hasn't been damaged for a while, ergo the small student support/attendance for the program. I can't believe students weren't aware of the allegations contained in the TRO. Anyone here have kids/grandkids on campus? Just go look at reddit. He’s on the list. |
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2019 10:35:20 GMT -5
All well and good to have a process but the fact is that we know that James Akinjo and Josh LeBlanc are no longer on the team. To me, that implies a certain finality to a portion of the process. Their absence indicates that the program has made some decision affecting these players. We may not need to know now, but we need to know.
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Post by hilltophoya on Dec 3, 2019 10:35:30 GMT -5
Does anyone have access to the transfer portal? Can they confirm whether or not Alexander and/or Gardner are in there? I'm speculating here (like many others) but perhaps this was an institutional decision that once an athlete puts his name in the transfer portal, GU isn't going to continue investing in him and let him finish out the season. Frankly, this isn't an unreasonable position for a program to take. And there are clear benefits for an athlete to put his name into the portal before the end of the first semester -- you can play sooner at your new school.
It's possible that the decision to remove Akinjo and Leblanc from the team is unrelated to the legal issues that are being discussed so much in this thread and are related to their decision to transfer.
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Post by justsaying on Dec 3, 2019 10:36:59 GMT -5
True troubling times, the players mentioned in alleged wrong doings there are no comments to be made on that here but in Akinjo’s situation some posters may have the wrong impression of this situation.
This is strictly an opinion, NO inside information here:
Leadership:
From the very start of the season the staff alluded to no leader stepping forward. Even fans mentioned the same. To BE FOY, face of program, in your face type of player, 2nd year, the natural progression would be Akinjo. This would be his team. A step he would normally want. Instead seemed detached from team from the very first game. It appeared the summer team building trip had things moving in the right direction.
Remember this Akinjo moving up the charts (starting to get on some NBA radars).
When a leader takes over it is his team, not just the 5 on the floor but the guys on the bench as well. He seemed detached from some players on the court and when going to the bench he seemed detached from those as well except Josh.
Compromised loyalty:
What being referenced here is compromised loyalty or better known as tampering.
Sometime between the ending of summer and the start of the season some other team convinced Akinjo to come with them (these days and times it is easy for financial gains to be involved). Young fellow not knowing how to handle this dual situation and will eventually have to make a decision one way or the other.
Situation of convenience:
Now with the situation with the Josh and possibly others being removed from the team now this becomes a situation of convenience a way to easily announce a way out. Without this situation things would have probably got even more awkward and messy for him.
Does anyone wonders the immediate announcement. If this is your team, you are the leader such a move even with the announcement of trouble for others you would gather the remaining guys for a pow wow or just talk. Appear to be no second thoughts here, situation of convenience. Easier way out now.
Entering the transfer portal, when teams start at the appropriate time will start inquiring the tampering team probably will not be the first to inquire because things are already in place and helps to lower the suspicion factor. It will be interesting to see who he ends with.
Would Josh be part of the package, impressions are don’t think so, or maybe not at first.
The Staff was probably aware of something was up (something going on) which aided in some awkwardness in bench unity. Not sure if some teammates figured something was up.
Problem moving forward:
Problem posed: pay for play. Current situation GU does not engage meaning if all things remain as is in the college world tampering can happen again to other GU players.
Leadership moving forward:
Appears to be Jagan, Matt, and Jamarko. We will have to be patient with these guys for this may not be as natural for them. Matt will already have to carry more of an increased load.
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Post by overseasfan on Dec 3, 2019 10:37:59 GMT -5
The team plays tomorrow night and two players still on the team roster are named in now public documents as having committed serious offenses. The school has an obligation to provide answers before allowing those players to suit up tomorrow night. Remember Duke LaCrosse and Mike Nifong? Ruined Dukes season. Let due process and justice do it’s work Absolutely agree |
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2019 10:40:28 GMT -5
I don’t get what changed from last week to yesterday. Doesn’t seem like anything happened on the legal front, so other than a frustrating loss, why did the departures come Monday and not after MSG? Has we won Saturday are these guys still on the team? Did the players pull the cord here before Ewing could? Seems like it since Alexander and Gardner weren’t part of this wave. Only you and I seem to care about this. Everyone else seems to think Josh got kicked off the team. Based on the timeline of how this all broke I really question that. |
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