Bad situation Hoya Fans

[cindad]

Full disclosure I am a Michigan Fan.  So We are riding high after the week in the Bahamas, and it sooths the decable we saw in Ann Arbor on the girdiron.

Ewing needs help, I have watched this team pretty regularly the last two years, saw maybe 10 games Ewing's first year.

When Beilein left for the NBA, Poole(unexpectedly), and Iggy(knew he was 1 and done), Matthews(wasn't doing a 5th year, but everyone knew this from the previous year) we felt the run was over and things would go back to the Brian Ellebre, Tommy Amaker days.

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.  But we got Juwan Howard.  Which isn't akin to Clyde, Mullin, Ewing, or Penny at their schools but still a big name.
I was nervous and lots of people were about Howard.  But Michigan basically made Howard hire Phil Martelli.  So that way bad decisions wouldn't get made, and to help a first-time head coach through the learning curve.

IDK if there is any boosters on the forumn at GU, but someone needs to float a similar structure to whoever runs the show there.

Its evident Ewing has a vison for how this team is to play, but he has no way how to go about doing it.  Infact I see the way Howard wants to play and the way Ewing wants to play as similar.
I'll take someone like David DeJulius sophmore at Michigan and Akinjo.  They were both similar ranked in HS. Around the same size, both played in pretty competitive HS leagues.  Guys who are good guards but probably will not be in the NBA, at least directly. Maybe a stop in the G-League and overseas then a couple years in the NBA.

Watching DeJuluis this year in terms of game play considering he was nailed to the bench last year versus Akinjo had unlimited minutes, DeJulius is not far behind in terms of development.

I think Ewing is concerned about winning games, and NOT building a program. Again, I watch MSU and Michigan Basketball which are top teams, so I'm use to a MO when it comes to players.  Like Bellien (now Howard), Izzo, they wouldn't play a guy for not staying in front of someone on defense or getting careless turnovers (Akinjo/McClung), or not running the floor (Pickett). But Ewing conitinually allows these guys to play. So this filters into other portions of the game, bad shots, not reversing the ball, etc.

Thats why this team is so uneven.  Ewing can't get his guys to perform the most basic things consistently, like tracing the ball on defense or moving off the ball on offense. It plays to the talent of its opponent plus/minus how an indvidual is doing that day.

Get Ewing some help, otherwise you are headed for a high-profile divorce with a program legend, and thats bad for everyone.

Georgetown should be relevant.  Its one of the most talent rich areas of the country, with several premier national HS brands in its backyard.  Some school needs to emerge.  It would be nice if its Georgetown for nostoligia that would be great, but selfishly I hope its Maryland because that helps the B10, and it makes more guys consider MSU and Michigan because they get 2 games a year in thar area of the Country in NJ and Maryland (and hopefully UVA if they ever accept the B10 invite)

[RockawayHoya]

Tremendous first post and agree with every single one of your points.

[madgesiq92]

Welcome to the Board.

Hope you stick around.

Did not realize that about Phil Martelli— agree Georgetown could benefit from a similar experienced stabilizing presence — I guess that is supposed to be Orr.

[cindad]

Nov 30, 2019 18:36:28 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Welcome to the Board.

Hope you stick around.

Did not realize that about Phil Martelli— agree Georgetown could benefit from a similar experienced stabilizing presence — I guess that is supposed to be Orr.

I'm not versed on the East Coast reationships (maybe Maryland and GU are not on friendly terms and would never involve themselves with each other), but Gary Williams is doing TV? Give him $500K and tell him you don't have to recruit or talk to any street agent/runner.  Just work with players in the gym, nd help Ewing control games from the first chair.

[EtomicB]

Nov 30, 2019 17:42:23 GMT -5 cindad said:

Full disclosure I am a Michigan Fan.  So We are riding high after the week in the Bahamas, and it sooths the decable we saw in Ann Arbor on the girdiron.

Ewing needs help, I have watched this team pretty regularly the last two years, saw maybe 10 games Ewing's first year.

When Beilein left for the NBA, Poole(unexpectedly), and Iggy(knew he was 1 and done), Matthews(wasn't doing a 5th year, but everyone knew this from the previous year) we felt the run was over and things would go back to the Brian Ellebre, Tommy Amaker days.

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.  But we got Juwan Howard.  Which isn't akin to Clyde, Mullin, Ewing, or Penny at their schools but still a big name.
I was nervous and lots of people were about Howard.  But Michigan basically made Howard hire Phil Martelli.  So that way bad decisions wouldn't get made, and to help a first-time head coach through the learning curve.

IDK if there is any boosters on the forumn at GU, but someone needs to float a similar structure to whoever runs the show there.

Its evident Ewing has a vison for how this team is to play, but he has no way how to go about doing it.  Infact I see the way Howard wants to play and the way Ewing wants to play as similar.
I'll take someone like David DeJulius sophmore at Michigan and Akinjo.  They were both similar ranked in HS. Around the same size, both played in pretty competitive HS leagues.  Guys who are good guards but probably will not be in the NBA, at least directly. Maybe a stop in the G-League and overseas then a couple years in the NBA.

Watching DeJuluis this year in terms of game play considering he was nailed to the bench last year versus Akinjo had unlimited minutes, DeJulius is not far behind in terms of development.

I think Ewing is concerned about winning games, and NOT building a program. Again, I watch MSU and Michigan Basketball which are top teams, so I'm use to a MO when it comes to players.  Like Bellien (now Howard), Izzo, they wouldn't play a guy for not staying in front of someone on defense or getting careless turnovers (Akinjo/McClung), or not running the floor (Pickett). But Ewing conitinually allows these guys to play. So this filters into other portions of the game, bad shots, not reversing the ball, etc.

Thats why this team is so uneven.  Ewing can't get his guys to perform the most basic things consistently, like tracing the ball on defense or moving off the ball on offense. It plays to the talent of its opponent plus/minus how an indvidual is doing that day.

Get Ewing some help, otherwise you are headed for a high-profile divorce with a program legend, and thats bad for everyone.

Georgetown should be relevant.  Its one of the most talent rich areas of the country, with several premier national HS brands in its backyard.  Some school needs to emerge.  It would be nice if its Georgetown for nostoligia that would be great, but selfishly I hope its Maryland because that helps the B10, and it makes more guys consider MSU and Michigan because they get 2 games a year in thar area of the Country in NJ and Maryland (and hopefully UVA if they ever accept the B10 invite)

I agree 100% with your post especially the bolded points...

[SSHoya]

Nov 30, 2019 18:46:07 GMT -5 cindad said:

Nov 30, 2019 18:36:28 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Welcome to the Board.

Hope you stick around.

Did not realize that about Phil Martelli— agree Georgetown could benefit from a similar experienced stabilizing presence — I guess that is supposed to be Orr.

I'm not versed on the East Coast reationships (maybe Maryland and GU are not on friendly terms and would never involve themselves with each other), but Gary Williams is doing TV? Give him $500K and tell him you don't have to recruit or talk to any street agent/runner.  Just work with players in the gym, nd help Ewing control games from the first chair.

Williams still on Maryland payroll as far as I know.

umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/university-names-gary-williams-senior-role

[hoyainla]

I watched 4 Michigan games now. He seems to lean on Martelli a lot. There is nothing wrong with that and I commend him for it actually. At least UM hired a competent assistant to help Juwan.

[ewingitrust]

When We lose its "the program's in disarray". When we win its "we won despite questionable coaching" . There appears to be no middle ground amongst certain factions of hoya fans. While we all have a right to be critical, I think we should be careful spilling out our negative views or thoughts about the program particularly from prominent sites. Parents, players and recruits see and read everything online...

[jwp91]

Nov 30, 2019 20:22:29 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

I watched 4 Michigan games now. He seems to lean on Martelli a lot. There is nothing wrong with that and I commend him for it actually. At least UM hired a competent assistant to help Juwan.

Martelli is beyond a competent assistant.

[hoyaboya]

Nov 30, 2019 20:40:35 GMT -5 ewingitrust said:

When We lose its "the program's in disarray". When we win its "we won despite questionable coaching" . There appears to be no middle ground amongst certain factions of hoya fans. While we all have a right to be critical, I think we should be careful spilling out our negative views or thoughts about the program particularly from prominent sites. Parents, players and recruits see and read everything online...

Do you think they watch the games too? If so, not good for the program...

[hoyainla]

Nov 30, 2019 20:44:09 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Nov 30, 2019 20:22:29 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

I watched 4 Michigan games now. He seems to lean on Martelli a lot. There is nothing wrong with that and I commend him for it actually. At least UM hired a competent assistant to help Juwan.

Martelli is beyond a competent assistant.

I know that was a little tongue in cheek. I’d take him over anyone on our bench

[professorhoya]

Nov 30, 2019 17:42:23 GMT -5 cindad said:

Full disclosure I am a Michigan Fan.  So We are riding high after the week in the Bahamas, and it sooths the decable we saw in Ann Arbor on the girdiron.

Ewing needs help, I have watched this team pretty regularly the last two years, saw maybe 10 games Ewing's first year.

When Beilein left for the NBA, Poole(unexpectedly), and Iggy(knew he was 1 and done), Matthews(wasn't doing a 5th year, but everyone knew this from the previous year) we felt the run was over and things would go back to the Brian Ellebre, Tommy Amaker days.

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.  But we got Juwan Howard.  Which isn't akin to Clyde, Mullin, Ewing, or Penny at their schools but still a big name.
I was nervous and lots of people were about Howard.  But Michigan basically made Howard hire Phil Martelli.  So that way bad decisions wouldn't get made, and to help a first-time head coach through the learning curve.

IDK if there is any boosters on the forumn at GU, but someone needs to float a similar structure to whoever runs the show there.

Its evident Ewing has a vison for how this team is to play, but he has no way how to go about doing it.  Infact I see the way Howard wants to play and the way Ewing wants to play as similar.
I'll take someone like David DeJulius sophmore at Michigan and Akinjo.  They were both similar ranked in HS. Around the same size, both played in pretty competitive HS leagues.  Guys who are good guards but probably will not be in the NBA, at least directly. Maybe a stop in the G-League and overseas then a couple years in the NBA.

Watching DeJuluis this year in terms of game play considering he was nailed to the bench last year versus Akinjo had unlimited minutes, DeJulius is not far behind in terms of development.

I think Ewing is concerned about winning games, and NOT building a program. Again, I watch MSU and Michigan Basketball which are top teams, so I'm use to a MO when it comes to players.  Like Bellien (now Howard), Izzo, they wouldn't play a guy for not staying in front of someone on defense or getting careless turnovers (Akinjo/McClung), or not running the floor (Pickett). But Ewing conitinually allows these guys to play. So this filters into other portions of the game, bad shots, not reversing the ball, etc.

Thats why this team is so uneven.  Ewing can't get his guys to perform the most basic things consistently, like tracing the ball on defense or moving off the ball on offense. It plays to the talent of its opponent plus/minus how an indvidual is doing that day.

Get Ewing some help, otherwise you are headed for a high-profile divorce with a program legend, and thats bad for everyone.

Georgetown should be relevant.  Its one of the most talent rich areas of the country, with several premier national HS brands in its backyard.  Some school needs to emerge.  It would be nice if its Georgetown for nostoligia that would be great, but selfishly I hope its Maryland because that helps the B10, and it makes more guys consider MSU and Michigan because they get 2 games a year in thar area of the Country in NJ and Maryland (and hopefully UVA if they ever accept the B10 invite)

You haven't been watching closely at all.

If it were all about "winning now" then he wouldn't be benching and taking PT away from LeBlanc.

[Filo]

Dec 1, 2019 14:12:00 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Nov 30, 2019 17:42:23 GMT -5 cindad said:

Full disclosure I am a Michigan Fan.  So We are riding high after the week in the Bahamas, and it sooths the decable we saw in Ann Arbor on the girdiron.

Ewing needs help, I have watched this team pretty regularly the last two years, saw maybe 10 games Ewing's first year.

When Beilein left for the NBA, Poole(unexpectedly), and Iggy(knew he was 1 and done), Matthews(wasn't doing a 5th year, but everyone knew this from the previous year) we felt the run was over and things would go back to the Brian Ellebre, Tommy Amaker days.

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.  But we got Juwan Howard.  Which isn't akin to Clyde, Mullin, Ewing, or Penny at their schools but still a big name.
I was nervous and lots of people were about Howard.  But Michigan basically made Howard hire Phil Martelli.  So that way bad decisions wouldn't get made, and to help a first-time head coach through the learning curve.

IDK if there is any boosters on the forumn at GU, but someone needs to float a similar structure to whoever runs the show there.

Its evident Ewing has a vison for how this team is to play, but he has no way how to go about doing it.  Infact I see the way Howard wants to play and the way Ewing wants to play as similar.
I'll take someone like David DeJulius sophmore at Michigan and Akinjo.  They were both similar ranked in HS. Around the same size, both played in pretty competitive HS leagues.  Guys who are good guards but probably will not be in the NBA, at least directly. Maybe a stop in the G-League and overseas then a couple years in the NBA.

Watching DeJuluis this year in terms of game play considering he was nailed to the bench last year versus Akinjo had unlimited minutes, DeJulius is not far behind in terms of development.

I think Ewing is concerned about winning games, and NOT building a program. Again, I watch MSU and Michigan Basketball which are top teams, so I'm use to a MO when it comes to players.  Like Bellien (now Howard), Izzo, they wouldn't play a guy for not staying in front of someone on defense or getting careless turnovers (Akinjo/McClung), or not running the floor (Pickett). But Ewing conitinually allows these guys to play. So this filters into other portions of the game, bad shots, not reversing the ball, etc.

Thats why this team is so uneven.  Ewing can't get his guys to perform the most basic things consistently, like tracing the ball on defense or moving off the ball on offense. It plays to the talent of its opponent plus/minus how an indvidual is doing that day.

Get Ewing some help, otherwise you are headed for a high-profile divorce with a program legend, and thats bad for everyone.

Georgetown should be relevant.  Its one of the most talent rich areas of the country, with several premier national HS brands in its backyard.  Some school needs to emerge.  It would be nice if its Georgetown for nostoligia that would be great, but selfishly I hope its Maryland because that helps the B10, and it makes more guys consider MSU and Michigan because they get 2 games a year in thar area of the Country in NJ and Maryland (and hopefully UVA if they ever accept the B10 invite)

You haven't been watching closely at all.

If it were all about "winning now" then he wouldn't be benching and taking PT away from LeBlanc.

Geez, such a "Hoyatalk" response. Cite one example of a problem with the analysis and come to the blanket conclusion that he hasn't been watching closely at all, and essentially dismiss everything else.

[Thomas]

Michigan has a culture of winning, in terms of NCAA tournament appearances and wins, that Georgetown hasn't had in a while. Juwan Howard also inherited some very good upperclassmen(Zavier Simpson, Jon Teske, Isaiah Livers) from that winning culture which has really helped J.Howard up to this point, as Michigan is about to go from starting the year unranked to being in the top 10 or top 15. That's a huge difference between Patrick Ewing's situation and Juwan Howard's. Nobody on Georgetown's roster has really been in any high-stakes game like Simpson, Teske and Livers have. You do bring up great points, coaches like Izzo, Beilein(and Tony Bennett at Virginia) have that old-school way of developing guys as underclassmen, and having them become stars as upperclassmen.

[BigmanU]

What really matters is you have a leader at point guard from the previous regime. With out Zavier Simpson, none of this matters. Its good to have a leader on the floor who has already been through the wars.

See UConn & Ollie. Shabazz Napier ran that team when Ollie first got there. See how that turned out after he graduated.

[Hoyas4Ever]

Dec 1, 2019 14:12:00 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Nov 30, 2019 17:42:23 GMT -5 cindad said:

Full disclosure I am a Michigan Fan.  So We are riding high after the week in the Bahamas, and it sooths the decable we saw in Ann Arbor on the girdiron.

Ewing needs help, I have watched this team pretty regularly the last two years, saw maybe 10 games Ewing's first year.

When Beilein left for the NBA, Poole(unexpectedly), and Iggy(knew he was 1 and done), Matthews(wasn't doing a 5th year, but everyone knew this from the previous year) we felt the run was over and things would go back to the Brian Ellebre, Tommy Amaker days.

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.  But we got Juwan Howard.  Which isn't akin to Clyde, Mullin, Ewing, or Penny at their schools but still a big name.
I was nervous and lots of people were about Howard.  But Michigan basically made Howard hire Phil Martelli.  So that way bad decisions wouldn't get made, and to help a first-time head coach through the learning curve.

IDK if there is any boosters on the forumn at GU, but someone needs to float a similar structure to whoever runs the show there.

Its evident Ewing has a vison for how this team is to play, but he has no way how to go about doing it.  Infact I see the way Howard wants to play and the way Ewing wants to play as similar.
I'll take someone like David DeJulius sophmore at Michigan and Akinjo.  They were both similar ranked in HS. Around the same size, both played in pretty competitive HS leagues.  Guys who are good guards but probably will not be in the NBA, at least directly. Maybe a stop in the G-League and overseas then a couple years in the NBA.

Watching DeJuluis this year in terms of game play considering he was nailed to the bench last year versus Akinjo had unlimited minutes, DeJulius is not far behind in terms of development.

I think Ewing is concerned about winning games, and NOT building a program. Again, I watch MSU and Michigan Basketball which are top teams, so I'm use to a MO when it comes to players.  Like Bellien (now Howard), Izzo, they wouldn't play a guy for not staying in front of someone on defense or getting careless turnovers (Akinjo/McClung), or not running the floor (Pickett). But Ewing conitinually allows these guys to play. So this filters into other portions of the game, bad shots, not reversing the ball, etc.

Thats why this team is so uneven.  Ewing can't get his guys to perform the most basic things consistently, like tracing the ball on defense or moving off the ball on offense. It plays to the talent of its opponent plus/minus how an indvidual is doing that day.

Get Ewing some help, otherwise you are headed for a high-profile divorce with a program legend, and thats bad for everyone.

Georgetown should be relevant.  Its one of the most talent rich areas of the country, with several premier national HS brands in its backyard.  Some school needs to emerge.  It would be nice if its Georgetown for nostoligia that would be great, but selfishly I hope its Maryland because that helps the B10, and it makes more guys consider MSU and Michigan because they get 2 games a year in thar area of the Country in NJ and Maryland (and hopefully UVA if they ever accept the B10 invite)

You haven't been watching closely at all.

If it were all about "winning now" then he wouldn't be benching and taking PT away from LeBlanc.

Let's at least be factual. I love LeBlanc but he didn't play well in his minutes on Saturday. He just didn't! He played 11 minutes and had ZERO REBOUNDS! He also blew at least two defensive rotations that lead directly to layups. He wasn't making the energy and effort plays that are his usual bread & butter. If Blair entered the game and shot 0/6 in 10 minutes and blew defensive assignments, as a coach I wouldn't be looking to put him back in the game. I use Blair as an example because shooting is his role and effort & energy is LeBlanc's role. That goes for any starter who is struggling in their role. Some times you gotta hold players accountable.

Akinjo' situation is harder to pull minutes from because he did play a pretty good first half and less depth at his position. Other players like Pickett & Alexander can play in place of LeBlanc. Yurt7 situation is that's he just that much better then anyone else on the roster at his role....

[TC]

Nov 30, 2019 17:42:23 GMT -5 cindad said:

Then thank goodness we didn't hire Ed Cooley.

I love it when someone says something so dumb three sentences into the post that it allows me to ignore the rest of the post.

[Hoyas4Ever]

Dec 2, 2019 14:47:36 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

What really matters is you have a leader at point guard from the previous regime. With out Zavier Simpson, none of this matters. Its good to have a leader on the floor who has already been through the wars.

See UConn & Ollie. Shabazz Napier ran that team when Ollie first got there. See how that turned out after he graduated.

This a 1000%! I was going to post pretty much the same thing after I scrolled through the comments.

Howard inherited a well seasoned team with a veteran group including an ALL conference caliber PG & Center and at least 6 players that were on the team that went to the national title game the season before last and was in the tournament last year.

Howard inherited a move in ready mansion! Coach Ewing inherited a complete tear down & rebuild. You can't compare Howard & Ewing's situations. They were never on equal footing.

[boxout05]

And while hiring Phil Martelli may have been a great move for Howard, Ewing did bring Louis Orr onboard for a similar role...

[zxhoya]

Nov 30, 2019 18:46:07 GMT -5 cindad said:

Nov 30, 2019 18:36:28 GMT -5 madgesiq92 said:

Welcome to the Board.

Hope you stick around.

Did not realize that about Phil Martelli— agree Georgetown could benefit from a similar experienced stabilizing presence — I guess that is supposed to be Orr.

I'm not versed on the East Coast reationships (maybe Maryland and GU are not on friendly terms and would never involve themselves with each other), but Gary Williams is doing TV? Give him $500K and tell him you don't have to recruit or talk to any street agent/runner.  Just work with players in the gym, nd help Ewing control games from the first chair.

Lol, you are definitely not versed in the GU-Maryland relationship, this is akin to Bo Schembechler asking Woody Hayes to help him coach Michigan. Gary Williams wouldn't do and GU would never ask.

Coach Ewing seems to be a (Dictatorship, not a Democracy coach) just like his coach and mentor John Thompson Jr, he's going to build the program the way he sees fit. He's learning as he goes and I am interested to see how he handles this challenge and it is a challenge, perception is everything in college BBall as far as recruiting is concerned. I'm willing to trust him.