the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 7, 2020 12:44:29 GMT -5
It's Hoya PTSD. With everything that has happened to this program in recent years, including the chaos of last year that did not end until McClung's surprise move this summer, who can blame anyone for being paranoid. Not a comment on Ewing, Sibley or anyone playing ahead of him, but when the highest ranked recruit comes in and cannot get a minute of playing time in pre-conference games on a team that is clearly "rebuilding," it is going to make people nervous and fuel the speculation. People are paranoid because of his recruiting ranking. That's it. Most probably haven't even seen Sibley play outside of youtube clips. That is what is causing the paranoia. They aren't this way with Clark (but they do want him to play more), Berger,etc.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 7, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -5
It's Hoya PTSD. With everything that has happened to this program in recent years, including the chaos of last year that did not end until McClung's surprise move this summer, who can blame anyone for being paranoid. Not a comment on Ewing, Sibley or anyone playing ahead of him, but when the highest ranked recruit comes in and cannot get a minute of playing time in pre-conference games on a team that is clearly "rebuilding," it is going to make people nervous and fuel the speculation. People are paranoid because of his recruiting ranking. That's it. Most probably haven't even seen Sibley play outside of youtube clips. That is what is causing the paranoia. They aren't this way with Clark (but they do want him to play more), Berger,etc. I wouldn't even call it paranoid. Most of the people are looking for a reason to trash Ewing. As soon as Sibley plays and is either: (a) great. In which case they will blame Ewing for not playing him earlier regardless of the fact that maybe Ewing got him ready by sitting him. (b) awful in which case they will just move on to something else to blame Ewing for.
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Post by bornhoya on Dec 7, 2020 13:22:56 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as expert as many of you, but: If our top recruit can't get minutes on this team, I'm troubled by what that says about our recruiting. If he's being held out for off-court reasons, in my mind that's even worse. Yeah, God forbid you try to appreciate that it says much much about rankings, and how people are a slave to them and lose all rationality when they see a few stars, than a reflection on the rest of his teammates and coaches. Yeah, totally reasonable. I’m more worried about us only playing 1 and a half recruits at all. Sometimes players aren’t practice players especially most freshmen that’s used to going through the motions in practice. If you not going to redshirt them let them get a couple minutes before a tv timeout and see what they’re going to do. If you going to let Bile and the Harris’s play through their mistakes might as well take a chance on the rest of them
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 7, 2020 13:43:38 GMT -5
Playing time is earned.
Bile and Harris have earned their playing time.
Playing guys just for sport for a few minutes will cost you. You saw what a few mistakes in a tight ball game lead to a swing in WVA's favor and they never looked back.
You get better by trying to win ball games. This isn't the pros where you play youth and accept losses so you can get another top draft pick to build. There is no draft.
You get better by setting standards of play. Not just giving something that hasn't been earned.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 7, 2020 15:21:45 GMT -5
He isn't a wasted scholarship if he isn't playing right now. He just isn't ready. Some guys take time to develop. Charles Smith. Henry Sims. Markel Starks. Don Reid. Ya-Ya Dia. I could go on.... I think you misunderstand the issue here and how these kids develop. Every one of those players you mentioned played at least a little every game of their freshman year. Don Reid played in 28 games his freshman year Charles Smith played in 30 games his freshman year Henry Sims played in 30 games his freshman year Markel Starks played in 30 games his freshman year Ya Ya Dia played in 28 games his freshman year Jamari Sibley has played in 0 games, Berger has played in 0 games, Clark played in 2, and Holloway played in 1, and Wilson has played in 1. Unless these kids start checking in a bit, they may not be around for next year.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 7, 2020 16:11:01 GMT -5
He isn't a wasted scholarship if he isn't playing right now. He just isn't ready. Some guys take time to develop. Charles Smith. Henry Sims. Markel Starks. Don Reid. Ya-Ya Dia. I could go on.... I think you misunderstand the issue here and how these kids develop. Every one of those players you mentioned played at least a little every game of their freshman year. Don Reid played in 28 games his freshman year Charles Smith played in 30 games his freshman year Henry Sims played in 30 games his freshman year Markel Starks played in 30 games his freshman year Ya Ya Dia played in 28 games his freshman year Jamari Sibley has played in 0 games, Berger has played in 0 games, Clark played in 2, and Holloway played in 1, and Wilson has played in 1. Unless these kids start checking in a bit, they may not be around for next year. That isn't telling the whole story. Those guys were not factors as freshmen. Dia and Reid were considered projects. Sims and Starks "underachievers" based on their recruiting rankings. Hmmmmmm. Smith was brought in to be a defensive specialist. Those guys could have easily transferred early in their career. Guys in similar situations at Georgetown did transfer. However, they all became factors and contributors to the team by the time they were seniors. Development. There is no misunderstanding when it comes to development. The players I mentioned weren't the same and improved considerably by the time they were seniors. It was mentioned the scholarship was wasted because Sibley wasn't playing. After 3 games people are losing their minds because certain freshmen aren't playing. People don't stop and think maybe Dante Harris, freshmen mistakes and all, is the one most ready to contribute right now. We have Q and Tim, solid players, but people still screaming for Malcolm to play just because...no other reason. Ewing is in year 4 time is running and out. Don't you think he would play them if they were ready to contribute? He and the team needs all the help he can get. lol Name 1 guy in the Ewing era who transferred solely due to lack of playing time and tore it up somewhere else at a power 5 school? Ewing has flaws. But one thing he has done right, is give minutes to players who were ready. Development. Whether you play sparingly or not at all, it takes time for players to develop. It has only been 3 games. We might see some of these freshmen playing down the road this year and beyond
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 7, 2020 16:18:11 GMT -5
Maybe a sneaky redshirt target? If so, I am a huge fan of that move.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 7, 2020 16:27:29 GMT -5
Why is it perplexing? Ewing is choosing not to play him. That's the story. That is his prerogative as coach! But to hold your #1 recruit out with a vague but succinct comment is to me perplexing. From coaches comment (s), I don't believe it's a matter of skill level. Do you sir? Doesn't matter, we could use more skill on the court.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Dec 7, 2020 16:29:32 GMT -5
Ya know, it's getting to the point where just posting a concern or opinion on this board risks getting slammed with personal ridicule and sarcasm. Reasonable refutation is healthy; that's how we learn from each other and enjoy our collective fandom. Personal ridicule isn't healthy or fun in my opinion.
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 7, 2020 17:10:11 GMT -5
Questioning the fact that our highest rated recruit can’t even get on the floor for the consensus worst team in the Big East is out of bounds now? Jesus.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 7, 2020 17:45:03 GMT -5
Ya know, it's getting to the point where just posting a concern or opinion on this board risks getting slammed with personal ridicule and sarcasm. Reasonable refutation is healthy; that's how we learn from each other and enjoy our collective fandom. Personal ridicule isn't healthy or fun in my opinion. Well, some people don’t think at all before they post opinions or concerns, yet publicly slander members of the program we claim to be fans of. I guess you support just spewing any uninformed nonsense regardless of its impact, huh? You know another way of learning from each other that is reasonable? Listening (and not saying anything) when you know you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you don’t get the answers you’re looking for immediately, usually a little patience brings them to the surface. Yes people should be cordial, but folks also should defer to folks with actual experience and understanding instead of being like “well I have NO IDEA why this is happening, but it MUST be because the coaches suck or the players are terrible people.” It gets exhausting to read that from people who I assume are mostly adults. The onus is on each and every one of us not to talk out of our ass. Not just here but in real life too. Irony is dead.
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emkmd
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Post by emkmd on Dec 7, 2020 18:05:42 GMT -5
Ya know, it's getting to the point where just posting a concern or opinion on this board risks getting slammed with personal ridicule and sarcasm. Reasonable refutation is healthy; that's how we learn from each other and enjoy our collective fandom. Personal ridicule isn't healthy or fun in my opinion. Well, some people don’t think at all before they post opinions or concerns, yet publicly slander members of the program we claim to be fans of. I guess you support just spewing any uninformed nonsense regardless of its impact, huh? You know another way of learning from each other that is reasonable? Listening (and not saying anything) when you know you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you don’t get the answers you’re looking for immediately, usually a little patience brings them to the surface. Yes people should be cordial, but folks also should defer to folks with actual experience and understanding instead of being like “well I have NO IDEA why this is happening, but it MUST be because the coaches suck or the players are terrible people.” It gets exhausting to read that from people who I assume are mostly adults. The onus is on each and every one of us not to talk out of our ass. Not just here but in real life too. Just curious, by what credentials and “actual experience” are you an expert about this team or college basketball in general. What is your inside info that makes your opinion better than anyone else’s. Who knows why this college freshman is not playing, we have seen it all before, injury, rules violation, academics, etc. When he plays we’ll see what he can do. I do like how your post starts with “some people don’t think at all before they post opinions or concerns...”.
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 7, 2020 18:27:30 GMT -5
Ease up on the adderall my friend.
Friendly reminder to avoid personal attacks on other posters. We've had to many of these this early in the season and will be watching this closely going forward.--Admin
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2020 20:55:31 GMT -5
Just curious, by what credentials and “actual experience” are you an expert about this team or college basketball in general. What is your inside info that makes your opinion better than anyone else’s. Who knows why this college freshman is not playing, we have seen it all before, injury, rules violation, academics, etc. When he plays we’ll see what he can do. I do like how your post starts with “some people don’t think at all before they post opinions or concerns...”. But yeah I don’t know how to communicate my decades of experience to you so I’m not sure what type of answer you’re looking for. Wait, your HoyaTalk profile says your birthday is on March 1, 1993 (Age 27). That's "decades of experience" to you???
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 7, 2020 21:03:57 GMT -5
Wait, your HoyaTalk profile says your birthday is on March 1, 1993 (Age 27). That's "decades of experience" to you??? You know a decade is the span of 10 years right? Do you want to revise your inaccurate take? Or maybe English/math is tough for you? lol not by to mention it’s more experience than you so you aren’t even in the conversation. There are levels to this, something you clearly don’t get. But sure, try to judge someone on the internet you know nothing about if that makes you feel more secure. When you’re ready to discuss basketball instead of other posters (like an adult), let me know... So, you started accruing this experience when you were 7?
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2020 21:06:17 GMT -5
Wait, your HoyaTalk profile says your birthday is on March 1, 1993 (Age 27). That's "decades of experience" to you??? You know a decade is the span of 10 years right? Do you want to revise your inaccurate take? Or maybe English/math is tough for you? lol not by to mention it’s more experience than you so you aren’t even in the conversation. There are levels to this, something you clearly don’t get. But sure, try to judge someone on the internet you know nothing about if that makes you feel more secure. When you’re ready to discuss basketball instead of other posters (like an adult), let me know... What sport were you playing when you were 8 years old? To put it in perspective, Anthony Perry was a junior and GU students were members of the Nat Burton Generation.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Dec 7, 2020 21:11:53 GMT -5
Why is it perplexing? Ewing is choosing not to play him. That's the story. Jeez you sound like the dictocrat who sets the Covid table in California.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Dec 7, 2020 21:12:03 GMT -5
C’mon now he just gave you a lesson in math. He said decades but taught you a decade is 10 years. So yes around 7-8 years of age. Don’t you pay attention?🤣
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 7, 2020 21:13:49 GMT -5
Wait, your HoyaTalk profile says your birthday is on March 1, 1993 (Age 27). That's "decades of experience" to you??? You know a decade is the span of 10 years right? Do you want to revise your inaccurate take? Or maybe English/math is tough for you? lol not by to mention it’s more experience than you so you aren’t even in the conversation. There are levels to this, something you clearly don’t get. But sure, try to judge someone on the internet you know nothing about if that makes you feel more secure. When you’re ready to discuss basketball instead of other posters (like an adult), let me know... If your end game is to educate and persuade, rather than bludgeon, you are going about it the wrong way. I suspect most here are turned off by your personal attacks and likely never get to the legitimate points you make about our team. You might benefit from reading Marshall Rosenberg's books on nonviolent communication.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Dec 7, 2020 21:16:14 GMT -5
What sport were you playing when you were 8 years old? To put it in perspective, Anthony Perry was a junior and GU students were members of the Nat Burton Generation. You’re not funny lol, but keep smiling like a 🤡. You sound super salty you were never good enough to make the team 😂 Your little league team?
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