HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 23, 2020 11:47:53 GMT -5
As usual this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, completely clueless fan. Game attendance is extraordinarily higher for Syracuse games, and they are usually a solid squad so they would boost our NET ranking. Why remove that because we will be playing another old rival? We play UConn during BE season, we would play Syracuse during the preseason. Go back to kindergarten, you need to learn more about basic mathematics. Now, Now - not very nice to Dr Quigley. He is a long time Hoya and Fan. What he has to say is important I apologize for the outburst but 90% of his posts attack our program, our coach, or one or more of our players. To each their own but we needs members that are supportive rather than critical/demeaning at this juncture given that the program is teetering in regards to its prominence in the college basketball scene
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 23, 2020 11:50:19 GMT -5
Thanks Big Elephant. Let me elaborate. Yes Syracuse is a huge attendance game. I've been to every weekend home Syracuse game for 30+ years and agree that the atmosphere is amazing. Who can forget the last BE game against Syracuse? Verizon was rockin. But Syracuse relies on it's ties to the BE to recruit and keep its basketball program alive. They deserted us for football and the really big bucks but are trying to have their cake (big bucks) and eat it too. The home and home series allows them to perpetuate the illusion that they are still an "East Coast" school and keep their huge NYC and East Coast alums happy. UCONN games will draw as well and send a message to Cuse fans and alums that you are now part of tobacco road and Raleigh/Durham not the BE and NYC/MSG. Cutting of our nose to spite our face? Maybe. But once we get our act together and become a national power again we will draw (and get TV coverage) without Syracuse's help. And hopefully Syracuse can become as relevant as BC. I get what you are saying doctor Q. But it gets us an extra game on national TV in December, will usually be a solid Q1 game, and draws fans. Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely. C'mon Hoya fans stand tall. We Are Georgetown! Once we have returned to national prominence we can spit on Syracuse. National TV will be begging for GU-Nova and GU-UCONN games. To build attendance we need to build our program not rely on the Syracuses of the world to play us at home. I'm old enough to remember when GU-BC games were big deals.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 23, 2020 11:51:25 GMT -5
Now, Now - not very nice to Dr Quigley. He is a long time Hoya and Fan. What he has to say is important I apologize for the outburst but 90% of his posts attack our program, our coach, or one or more of our players. To each their own but we needs members that are supportive rather than critical/demeaning at this juncture given that the program is teetering in regards to its prominence in the college basketball scene Absolutely untrue. I smell a troll.
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 23, 2020 13:50:35 GMT -5
I apologize for the outburst but 90% of his posts attack our program, our coach, or one or more of our players. To each their own but we needs members that are supportive rather than critical/demeaning at this juncture given that the program is teetering in regards to its prominence in the college basketball scene Absolutely untrue. I smell a troll. You should take a shower then
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 23, 2020 14:05:02 GMT -5
Thanks Big Elephant. Let me elaborate. Yes Syracuse is a huge attendance game. I've been to every weekend home Syracuse game for 30+ years and agree that the atmosphere is amazing. Who can forget the last BE game against Syracuse? Verizon was rockin. But Syracuse relies on it's ties to the BE to recruit and keep its basketball program alive. They deserted us for football and the really big bucks but are trying to have their cake (big bucks) and eat it too. The home and home series allows them to perpetuate the illusion that they are still an "East Coast" school and keep their huge NYC and East Coast alums happy. UCONN games will draw as well and send a message to Cuse fans and alums that you are now part of tobacco road and Raleigh/Durham not the BE and NYC/MSG. Cutting of our nose to spite our face? Maybe. But once we get our act together and become a national power again we will draw (and get TV coverage) without Syracuse's help. And hopefully Syracuse can become as relevant as BC. I get what you are saying doctor Q. But it gets us an extra game on national TV in December, will usually be a solid Q1 game, and draws fans. Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely. I get both points of view but the Cuse game could be replaced with the Twerps and draw just as much....
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HoyaDr
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 23, 2020 14:13:38 GMT -5
I get what you are saying doctor Q. But it gets us an extra game on national TV in December, will usually be a solid Q1 game, and draws fans. Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely. I get both points of view but the Cuse game could be replaced with the Twerps and draw just as much.... Why not both? I would attend both games in a heartbeat
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 23, 2020 18:39:35 GMT -5
Absolutely untrue. I smell a troll. You should take a shower then I rest my case.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2020 19:40:58 GMT -5
Keeping SU plus adding UConn bumps the attendance figures nicely. Syracuse is a road game in 2020-21. There is one home game (2021-22) left on the contract and it is not guaranteed that Syracuse will look to extend thereafter. We know that. The whole discussion is whether we should keep them on the schedule after the current agreement. Not whether Syracuse will want to. Whether we should.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 24, 2020 7:01:16 GMT -5
And of course we should do so.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 24, 2020 17:55:07 GMT -5
When has Pat Ewing not take something basketball related seriously? Question his methods if you want but I think his intent and his dedication are above reproach. With his money I would have retired to a nice island. Instead he sweated and strove for coaching experience behind the scenes for years and then took on a project team that he knew would come along with many headaches. I don't think him being serious about his job is something we need to worry about. I trust the schedule will reflect that. I have repeatedly stated on here that I think Ewing is very hard working, he clearly cares a lot about the program, and he clearly wants to succeed. Do I think that Ewing created a weak schedule in 2017-2018 with good intentions? Yes, I do. And you could make a colorable argument in his favor given where he was back in 2017. Fast forward a few years, and I do not think you could schedule that way and have a team that is a serious contender to even make the NCAA tournament. I am hopeful we won't take a step backward on the schedule. To some extent we cannot go that far back, with 20 conference games, Syracuse on the schedule, and other commitments we did not have in 2017-2018. I do not for one second question that Ewing has anything but the best intentions, but if we end up playing 7 teams that are 300+ level, that will not display a serious approach to scheduling in the modern era. We will see.
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Post by guru on Mar 24, 2020 20:28:04 GMT -5
When has Pat Ewing not take something basketball related seriously? Question his methods if you want but I think his intent and his dedication are above reproach. With his money I would have retired to a nice island. Instead he sweated and strove for coaching experience behind the scenes for years and then took on a project team that he knew would come along with many headaches. I don't think him being serious about his job is something we need to worry about. I trust the schedule will reflect that. I have repeatedly stated on here that I think Ewing is very hard working, he clearly cares a lot about the program, and he clearly wants to succeed. Do I think that Ewing created a weak schedule in 2017-2018 with good intentions? Yes, I do. And you could make a colorable argument in his favor given where he was back in 2017. Fast forward a few years, and I do not think you could schedule that way and have a team that is a serious contender to even make the NCAA tournament. I am hopeful we won't take a step backward on the schedule. To some extent we cannot go that far back, with 20 conference games, Syracuse on the schedule, and other commitments we did not have in 2017-2018. I do not for one second question that Ewing has anything but the best intentions, but if we end up playing 7 teams that are 300+ level, that will not display a serious approach to scheduling in the modern era. We will see. Serious question: Is there any indication that Ewing is going to revert to 2017-18 scheduling levels? I’m not sure where all this handwringing is coming from - if I missed some news or update that we are going to play a very soft schedule next season (if there is a next season) I apologize.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2020 23:41:22 GMT -5
Lockdown musings on the 2020-21 schedule:
Looking at the 19-20 schedule, we played 31 regular season games: 13 OOC games and 18 BE games. With two All-Star caliber players and a ton of upperclassmen, everyone who follows college basketball closely knew the BE was poised to have a very strong year with lots of top quadrant game opportunities. The key to Selection Sunday possibilities was building a solid OOC schedule. Eight of those 13 OOC games were spoken for by home/away agreements (SMU & Syracuse) and pre-season tournaments/challenges (2K Classic, BE-B12 and Gavitt Games).
2019-20 OOC Schedule: 11/6 W Mt. St. Mary's NET#299 11/10 W Cent. Arkansas #315 (2K Classic @home) 11/14 L Penn St. #35 (Gavitt Tip-Off Games) 11/17 W Georgia St. #134 (2K Classic @home) 11/21 W Texas (22) #70 (2K Classic (@msg) 11/22 W Duke (1) #6 (2K Classic (@msg) 11/30 L NC-Greensboro #82 12/4 W at Oklahoma St. #64 (Big East-Big 12 Challenge) 12/7 W at SMU #88 12/14 W Syracuse #61 12/17 W UMBC #236 12/21 W Samford #325 12/28 W American #197
Due to good prior commitments and great picks, the coaching staff put together a great OOC schecule. The Central Arkansas game hurt, but it was out of our staff's scheduling control since it was part of the 2K Classic. In terms of the NET, the only bad picks were Mt. St. Mary's and Samford, but those were the annual first game cupcake and the Christmas cupcake games.
Next year, with UConn joining the conference, BE teams will play 20 conference games and probably will have to play two games before New Year's Day '21. IMO, with all the graduating star seniors, NBA departures, and UCONN joining the conference, the BE could be in a transition year similar to 2018-19 which could affect its conference's strength ranking. Therefore, having a strong OOC could be more important than this year.
Unless college basketball starts earlier, next year's OOC schedule will have less games than this year. I'm thinking 11 OOC games for a total of 31 games (+ BET). As of today, we have commitments to play in: 2 neutral site games at the Wooden Legacy (2 of Kansas, UCLA and UVa.) Away game at Syracuse Away game at Big 10 opponent TBD (Gavitt Games) Home game vs. Big 12 opponent (B12-BE Challenge)
The staff is guaranteed five games good/great NET games. The key will be the other 6 OOC games TBA. Similar to this year, and again with six to seven new players (two/three TBD), I would schedule the first game cupcake and the Christmas cupcake, but both with better rankings than this year. Instead of #299 and #325, they should come from the 250-275 NET ranking range. If the remaining four games come from the 100-230 range, the staff should have another good-looking OOC schedule.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 25, 2020 3:22:59 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I prefer playing good teams. The team may struggle next season, as we lose key seniors and replace them with freshman. We are still recruiting, so our trajectory could still improve. I’m a bit nervous relying on Pickett and Blair for scoring, both have proved inconsistent. As of now, I don’t see a roster that’s capable of finishing above the bottom third in the BE. I hope Pat can land a needle mover or two. Also, I guess technically we didn’t miss making the NCAAs this year. 🦠😷🦠
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 25, 2020 8:51:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I prefer playing good teams. The team may struggle next season, as we lose key seniors and replace them with freshman. We are still recruiting, so our trajectory could still improve. I’m a bit nervous relying on Pickett and Blair for scoring, both have proved inconsistent. As of now, I don’t see a roster that’s capable of finishing above the bottom third in the BE. Question: how many more years is this acceptable? It's acceptable at DePaul, obviously. Whether they admit it or not, it is acceptable at St. John's. It would not be acceptable at Villanova or Creighton. It is absolutely, positively not acceptable at UConn. If that's now acceptable at Georgetown, let's be up front and say so. When Patrick Ewing gets his gold watch at a halftime at Capital One Arena with a 196-183 lifetime record or somesuch figure, at least we can say he met expectations. The issue is not the man but the program. There are sports at Georgetown where poor records are entirely acceptable to fans and alumni. Baseball hasn't posted a winning season since 1986 and it has had the same head coach since 1999. Football has posted one winning season since 2000 without outrage or concern. Women's basketball fell off the page this year without so much as a peep, finishing 5-25 and 1-11 at home. If the men's basketball fan base should accept Wednesday tournament exits for the next 2, 4, 8 years, whatever, let's be up front and set expectations. Conversely, if Georgetown wants to really commit to being more than the first round partner of St. John's TFN, we've got to expect more.
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Post by C86 on Mar 25, 2020 12:10:16 GMT -5
"There are sports at Georgetown where nonexistent finishes are entirely acceptable."
Absolutely. And the tennis coach was able to exploit this attitude to get rich selling admissions slots.
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Post by justsaying on Mar 25, 2020 12:46:08 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I prefer playing good teams. The team may struggle next season, as we lose key seniors and replace them with freshman. We are still recruiting, so our trajectory could still improve. I’m a bit nervous relying on Pickett and Blair for scoring, both have proved inconsistent. As of now, I don’t see a roster that’s capable of finishing above the bottom third in the BE. Question: how many more years is this acceptable? It's acceptable at DePaul, obviously. Whether they admit it or not, it is acceptable at St. John's. It would not be acceptable at Villanova or Creighton. It is absolutely, positively not acceptable at UConn. If that's now acceptable at Georgetown, let's be up front and say so. When Patrick Ewing gets his gold watch at a halftime at Capital One Arena with a 196-183 lifetime record or somesuch figure, at least we can say he met expectations. The issue is not the man but the program. There are sports at Georgetown where nonexistent finishes are entirely acceptable. Baseball hasn't posted a winning season since 1986 and it has had the same head coach since 1999. Football has posted one winning season since 2000 without outrage or concern. Women's basketball fell off the page this year without so much as a peep, finishing 5-25 and 1-11 at home. If the men's basketball fan base should accept Wednesday tournament exits for the next 2, 4, 8 years, whatever, let's be up front and set expectations. Conversely, if Georgetown wants to really commit to being more than the first round partner of St. John's TFN, we've got to expect more. Thread: 2020-21 Schedule be it out of conference, in conference, great. Did not go too far back with posts and maybe missing some point. Fellow disciplined posters please forgive me for this does not belong in this thread but noting again an attempt to hijack the thread: Obviously some posters (many times the same posters) a thread title does not matter. Some feel any thread title is available to air whatever personal grievance over and over again. Seems as though such comments are kept in a word doc to be copied and paste at will into any thread regardless of the title to post their personal grievance. To bend that thread and fellow posters to their will. Came here again to read about thoughts on the scheduling but hit with this again. AGAIN, many of these grievance bearers fear if they start their own thread with such titles it would be limited in scope and participation. So hijack an active thread. Maybe need to put this is a word doc.
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Post by BSM on Mar 25, 2020 12:46:19 GMT -5
There's a Home and Home with Notre Dame starting in 20-21 that was agreed to last Fall. If ND continues with their usual pattern, the first game will be in DC
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Post by mdtd on Mar 25, 2020 13:42:26 GMT -5
There's a Home and Home with Notre Dame starting in 20-21 that was agreed to last Fall. If ND continues with their usual pattern, the first game will be in DC Was that confirmed or was that just rumored?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 25, 2020 13:51:42 GMT -5
There's a Home and Home with Notre Dame starting in 20-21 that was agreed to last Fall. If ND continues with their usual pattern, the first game will be in DC Was that confirmed or was that just rumored? This is the only rumor/confirmation I've seen about it.
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Post by BSM on Mar 25, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
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