hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 28, 2022 8:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 28, 2022 8:28:05 GMT -5
I actually don't disagree with this...I think transfer PG's that want to start somewhere may look at Gtown and think Harris is grandfathered in as a starter because of how Ewing has used him...if that's what he is saying. ...and although I don't disagree with his statement...I still wish he would just shut the hell up about the program.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 28, 2022 8:37:11 GMT -5
I actually don't disagree with this...I think transfer PG's that want to start somewhere may look at Gtown and think Harris is grandfathered in as a starter because of how Ewing has used him...if that's what he is saying. ...and although I don't disagree with his statement...I still wish he would just shut the hell up about the program. Correct - it's the easiest thing in the world to recruit against, as long as recruitments are on the up and up. Why would any potential PG come to Georgetown as long as Harris is still part of the program? Any opposing coach will show how much Harris has played, how Ewing stuck with him despite all his flaws (without giving other PGs on the roster a legitimate chance, causing them to leave), and how Georgetown used Harris as a central part of its marketing package since the 2021 BET. As long as Harris is still around, any decent PG would be foolish to come to Georgetown if he wants to see major minutes.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Apr 28, 2022 8:45:31 GMT -5
We were not recruiting Jahmir Young to come back up Dante Harris.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 28, 2022 8:54:22 GMT -5
I am not sure if Aminu feels the same way, but Harmon is certainly not a big fan of Dante. I don't have an issue with someone like him having an opinion of the play of someone else on the team, (and Dante did struggle last year) but there is no need to share it on social media. That can not make for a comfortable locker room situation for anyone involved.
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Post by madhoya on Apr 28, 2022 9:08:49 GMT -5
We were not recruiting Jahmir Young to come back up Dante Harris. Exactly!!!….
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Post by seaweed on Apr 28, 2022 9:26:00 GMT -5
I actually don't disagree with this...I think transfer PG's that want to start somewhere may look at Gtown and think Harris is grandfathered in as a starter because of how Ewing has used him...if that's what he is saying. ...and although I don't disagree with his statement...I still wish he would just shut the hell up about the program. Correct - it's the easiest thing in the world to recruit against, as long as recruitments are on the up and up. Why would any potential PG come to Georgetown as long as Harris is still part of the program? Any opposing coach will show how much Harris has played, how Ewing stuck with him despite all his flaws (without giving other PGs on the roster a legitimate chance, causing them to leave), and how Georgetown used Harris as a central part of its marketing package since the 2021 BET. As long as Harris is still around, any decent PG would be foolish to come to Georgetown if he wants to see major minutes. More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 28, 2022 9:32:49 GMT -5
Correct - it's the easiest thing in the world to recruit against, as long as recruitments are on the up and up. Why would any potential PG come to Georgetown as long as Harris is still part of the program? Any opposing coach will show how much Harris has played, how Ewing stuck with him despite all his flaws (without giving other PGs on the roster a legitimate chance, causing them to leave), and how Georgetown used Harris as a central part of its marketing package since the 2021 BET. As long as Harris is still around, any decent PG would be foolish to come to Georgetown if he wants to see major minutes. More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better. Mourning over LeBlanc
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 28, 2022 9:41:11 GMT -5
More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better. Mourning over LeBlanc That’s different, Trey looked SO MUCH like his dad when he was crossing mid-court… Seriously though, you must be talking Sophomore year when Leblanc was in doghouse, right? On his way out of the house? He certainly played a lot
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Post by trotters10 on Apr 28, 2022 9:41:49 GMT -5
I see Shawn is at it again. And what is all this "WE" talk, very odd. Aminu is 20, and seems like a very smart kid. Does he not let Aminu make his own decisions? It's his career after all.
Whenever I hear Shawn open his mouth, I think of the hockey great Bobby Orr (since I'm Canadian) and think of what his father's advice to him always was --- and that's "go out there and have fun, enjoy the game". And we're talking about arguably the best player ever, who everyone was after at the time, when he was a teenager. Now we have a handler speaking for a kid, and using "we" all the time. I can't imagine my parents going onto twitter to bash my team/coaching staff/teammates. That's absurd behavior, and I'd be embarrassed if I was Aminu.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 28, 2022 9:47:49 GMT -5
More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better. Mourning over LeBlanc Trey was better than Josh before the concussion. I don't remember if Trey got the position back after he came back and was really struggling but pre-concussion Trey was playing well.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 28, 2022 9:49:57 GMT -5
PG play will limit our upside next season if we don’t address it. Dante struggled last season and he’s injury prone. Also, Ewing thinks he’s AI. What’s the point of upgrading your roster if you don’t upgrade a key position?
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 28, 2022 9:50:47 GMT -5
I see Shawn is at it again. And what is all this "WE" talk, very odd. Aminu is 20, and seems like a very smart kid. Does he not let Aminu make his own decisions? It's his career after all. Whenever I hear Shawn open his mouth, I think of the hockey great Bobby Orr (since I'm Canadian) and think of what his father's advice to him always was --- and that's "go out there and have fun, enjoy the game". And we're talking about arguably the best player ever, who everyone was after at the time, when he was a teenager. Now we have a handler speaking for a kid, and using "we" all the time. I can't imagine my parents going onto twitter to bash my team/coaching staff/teammates. That's absurd behavior, and I'd be embarrassed if I was Aminu. I found all of the "We" talk odd and encouraging. Maybe that door isn't completely closed after all. Maybe Harmon went to Ewing complaining about how Dante was being used and didn't like the response....
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Post by mfk24 on Apr 28, 2022 9:53:50 GMT -5
Correct - it's the easiest thing in the world to recruit against, as long as recruitments are on the up and up. Why would any potential PG come to Georgetown as long as Harris is still part of the program? Any opposing coach will show how much Harris has played, how Ewing stuck with him despite all his flaws (without giving other PGs on the roster a legitimate chance, causing them to leave), and how Georgetown used Harris as a central part of its marketing package since the 2021 BET. As long as Harris is still around, any decent PG would be foolish to come to Georgetown if he wants to see major minutes. More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better. It doesn’t have to actually be true for people to believe it and for it to be used as strategy to negatively recruit players away from your program. And in the age of internet and social media, a prospect doesn’t have to look that hard to see that the majority of Hoya fandom wanted Harris to sit and let someone else take his minutes. Then look at tweets and things posted by the Beards, by Harmon, by Riley’s family, etc. Add that to previous situations where players have been benched seemingly for being in the doghouse with Ewing and it’s not hard to paint the picture that unless it’s been made explicitly clear that they see you as the Day 1 starter, if you have to compete for the job, he’s gonna have an advantage over you at that spot and in the few opportunities you do get, it’s not gonna take a lot to get you pulled from the game. When adding other pieces to the roster, lots of players also don’t want to play with a ball dominant pg who they don’t see as the most skilled.
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Post by trotters10 on Apr 28, 2022 10:11:24 GMT -5
I see Shawn is at it again. And what is all this "WE" talk, very odd. Aminu is 20, and seems like a very smart kid. Does he not let Aminu make his own decisions? It's his career after all. Whenever I hear Shawn open his mouth, I think of the hockey great Bobby Orr (since I'm Canadian) and think of what his father's advice to him always was --- and that's "go out there and have fun, enjoy the game". And we're talking about arguably the best player ever, who everyone was after at the time, when he was a teenager. Now we have a handler speaking for a kid, and using "we" all the time. I can't imagine my parents going onto twitter to bash my team/coaching staff/teammates. That's absurd behavior, and I'd be embarrassed if I was Aminu. I found all of the "We" talk odd and encouraging. Maybe that door isn't completely closed after all. Maybe Harmon went to Ewing complaining about how Dante was being used and didn't like the response.... Agreed on that. I would love to have Aminu back, and I'm also in the camp that Dante needs to be better (and if he can't), I have no problem with the staff going after a Jahmir Young to upgrade the position. But I don't like some parent/handler going public on Twitter about it.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 28, 2022 10:22:52 GMT -5
That’s different, Trey looked SO MUCH like his dad when he was crossing mid-court… Seriously though, you must be talking Sophomore year when Leblanc was in doghouse, right? On his way out of the house? He certainly played a lot Mourning wasn't on the team Leblanc's soph year..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 28, 2022 10:26:07 GMT -5
Trey was better than Josh before the concussion. I don't remember if Trey got the position back after he came back and was really struggling but pre-concussion Trey was playing well. IIRC Mourning had one great game early on and was ok in some others but overall he wasn't nearly as impactful as LeBlanc was imo...
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Post by calhoya on Apr 28, 2022 10:26:33 GMT -5
Trey was better than Josh before the concussion. I don't remember if Trey got the position back after he came back and was really struggling but pre-concussion Trey was playing well. What is interesting to me is that despite all of our fond recollections of LeBlanc's play at the Hilltop, that freshman year may have been his ceiling, as he has certainly not been a star at either of his subsequent stops. On topic though, social media is toxic. In reality Harmon's comments are really no different than what many posters here say every day. Not certain they are any more damaging. Truthfully, when you are 0-21 to end the season after several poor seasons prior to that and when you have a program and head coach that is routinely criticized in national media and has struggled to retain players every year, I am not certain that any opposing coach is going to need the Twitter account of Harmon to use as a means of recruiting against the Hoya program.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 28, 2022 10:43:27 GMT -5
More clear than ever that you have no actual knowledge of how teams work. No position is sacred before practices even start. There is zero chance in any team, any sport that a better player who outperforms the incumbent throughout the pre-season doesn’t jump over them in the rotation. Never happens. Can you give any example of someone who was already better than the incumbent stayed glued to the bench due to a coach’s personal preference or seniority? The talking out your derrière things is so damned old and tired and boring. Every kid gets to compete for the starting line up from the first practice on. And Coach used Dante the way he did cause, warts and all, he was our best player at that position. Somebody else might have gotten better if given his PT, but they weren’t already better. It doesn’t have to actually be true for people to believe it and for it to be used as strategy to negatively recruit players away from your program. And in the age of internet and social media, a prospect doesn’t have to look that hard to see that the majority of Hoya fandom wanted Harris to sit and let someone else take his minutes. Then look at tweets and things posted by the Beards, by Harmon, by Riley’s family, etc. Add that to previous situations where players have been benched seemingly for being in the doghouse with Ewing and it’s not hard to paint the picture that unless it’s been made explicitly clear that they see you as the Day 1 starter, if you have to compete for the job, he’s gonna have an advantage over you at that spot and in the few opportunities you do get, it’s not gonna take a lot to get you pulled from the game. When adding other pieces to the roster, lots of players also don’t want to play with a ball dominant pg who they don’t see as the most skilled. If a recruit or transfer is worried about not being able to supplant Dante, we're not targeting the right folks.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 28, 2022 10:48:41 GMT -5
For what it's worth, last night, Dante Harris put in his Instagram stories a story from Crouch joking about a fancy car. So, that would seem to point to Harris still being close to the team. I really like Dante Harris, and thought he had a shot to really grow this past year, but it did not happen. You can blame that on him, the overall talent level, Ewing, etc., but the plain fact is that he did not get it done. If Ewing really wants to upgrade talent levels across the board, either Harris needs to play a lot better (and we have no reason to think that will happen) or he needs to find someone who can. If he is good with it, I think Harris can still make contributions to the team, but perhaps in a more limited role.
That said, in Ewing's tenure at Georgetown, he's generally stuck pretty strongly to his guys when it comes to playing time, and Harris clearly falls into that category. So, if he stays, I imagine he will play a fair amount, for better or worse.
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